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Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

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  • #31
    Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

    Boiler fans excited about March madness?

    I never found the NIT that exciting.


    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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    • #32
      Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

      I would kill to have Deron Williams on this team.

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      • #33
        Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

        Originally posted by PacerFan31 View Post
        I would kill to have Deron Williams on this team.
        Why? So he could dribble up the court and throw it into JO?
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        • #34
          Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

          watching the team reminds me of one of those after school special with scot baio where the good students grades start slipping, starts missing practices, which all leads up the point where the horrified parent is screaching ' you are on drugs, arent you!' those usually have a happier ending than what i am expecting for this season however. on the bright side, the young guys should get some playing time, more fun to watch anyway.
          ! Free Rick Sanchez !

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          • #35
            Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

            I didn't catch the game.....

            Did we play like how we played against the Kings yesterday?

            or

            Did we play like how we played against the Clippers?
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #36
              Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              I didn't catch the game.....

              Did we play like how we played against the Kings yesterday?

              or

              Did we play like how we played against the Clippers?
              Neither. I would say somewhere in the middle between the second half against the Kings and the horrible game against the Clippers. The Pacers tried last night, but they couldn't sustain anything and the Jazz are like playing a football team - they beat you up

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              • #37
                Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                My biggest pet peeve right now is all the mixed messages from so many different fans.

                Some want the pacers to run more - well they have done that

                Some want Rick to stop calling all the plays. But do these people who want this also want the Pacers to run more

                Some want the pacers to defend better - so they can run more or are those the people who want Rick to call the plays.

                I'm very confused

                I don't understand the belief structure of so many posters.

                We lose because Rick calls the plays, but when he didn't do so we still lost.

                We should be a faster paced team, but we can't hit the broad side of a barn from more than 3 feet out - how does faster pace alone keep defenses from just blocking us out of the paint? Seems to me it just increases the other team's defensive rebound statistic. If you don't have to stay with your man to interfere with a quick pull-up, you just run straight to the basket and keep someone from making the easy shot. I could coach that defense.

                We should stop passing the ball to Jermaine and just brick those outside shots over and over and over and over?

                We should play a free-form game because we have so many players who can take their counterparts off the dribble or pass to the open man for an open ... missed jump shot.

                We should play all the magic players who can't quite defend when on the court.



                I believe this team is in complete disarray and there's no single silver bullet. We do not have the talent to make proper use of Jermaine - he isn't Shaq who can (could) bowl over two or three guys on his way to the basket and get free throws for it. That's why teams are successful collapsing on him.

                To be perfectly honest, this really vindicates my decade-long fear of "risk it all for a shot at the big time", because I think this resulted from a failed attempt to risk it all.

                I don't know what I want to see from this season. Do I want us in the lottery? No, because our chances of hitting a top-10 pick are slim and none. Do I want us in the playoffs? We'd be cannon fodder for someone, although that would give some guys more playoff games under their belts. Do I want to see Rick resign/fired? I'm torn because I think the team won't do any better at all being "set free" but I also think sometimes you are forced to shake things up. Now would be the right time to do it. At some point the coach has to take the heat for the team failing to execute the half-court offense he so deeply believes in.

                Whatever else happens, this season is the one that completes the proof even the most respected front offices can make major mistakes. I'm glad they had the guts to get out there on that limb, but I always knew if it didn't work the consequences would be blown out of proportion.

                For the folks whose only memories of the team are post-'95 "deep playoffs every year or death!", this is a disaster. I see it as a horrible disappointment but I also think that we have some chances to build back after the season. It may take time, it will take a new coach, and it may be without JO, but it can be done. Remember Larry Brown's last year? Remember Isiah's last full year?

                At least we aren't Atlanta, who made major moves and didn't even have a prayer to improve out of it.
                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • #38
                  Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                  Can you believe it? Harrison has 6 TOs and 4 Fouls in 9 minutes on the floor?!? Ridiculous..

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                  • #39
                    Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                    I DVR most of the games and then watch them later on in the evening. Last night I fast forwarded through most of the 4th quarter until Greene-Marshall-Williams-Diogu-Harrison. I watched about a minute of that, realized that I wasn't going to see anything worth seeing, and then deleted the game from my DVR.

                    I don't know what that says, but it's got to be telling in some way.

                    UB, as for what I want from the Pacers, here it is...

                    I want Murphy and Dunleavy to be the worst defenders on the team, not because they're so awful, but because everybody else is better.

                    I want a starting lineup that features 5 players who play well on both ends of the floor.

                    I want a shooter that other teams are legitimately afraid of.

                    I want a skilled player who's a natural leader.

                    I want ball movement. I want the Pacers to be in the top 10 in assists every year.

                    I want Troy Murphy to gain 25 lbs of muscle so Boozer doesn't throw him around like a ragdoll.

                    I want a gameplan and player rotation that makes sense.

                    I want a real center on the roster.

                    I guess the long and short of it is, I don't care who the coach is. I don't care what kind of system they run. I don't even really care who the individual players are. There's not anyone on this roster right now of whom I'd call myself a "fan."

                    Sorry. I don't think that made any sense.
                    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                    - Salman Rushdie

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                    • #40
                      Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                      Originally posted by pacertom View Post
                      Boiler fans excited about March madness?

                      I never found the NIT that exciting.


                      Since they whipped iu's butt, guess maybe we'll see them there too.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                        Originally posted by 31andonly View Post
                        Can you believe it? Harrison has 6 TOs and 4 Fouls in 9 minutes on the floor?!? Ridiculous..
                        I officially gave up on David last night. I've been holding out hope that as he matured he would "settle down". But I don't see it happening. 3 of those fouls were in about 30 seconds. He can't set a non-moving pick to save his life.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                          This is starting to get WAY out of hand, IMHO.

                          Rick is the reason why people don't go to games? Are you ****ing kidding me? That's the lamest excuse I've heard yet.

                          I also can't believe I read something along the lines of wanting to run more, because losing would actually be fun to watch. What are you guys on, if you think losing is fun no matter how you play?

                          I would fine any player who even thought that, with "conduct detrimental to winning."
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            This is starting to get WAY out of hand, IMHO.

                            Rick is the reason why people don't go to games? Are you ****ing kidding me? That's the lamest excuse I've heard yet.

                            I also can't believe I read something along the lines of wanting to run more, because losing would actually be fun to watch. What are you guys on, if you think losing is fun no matter how you play?

                            I would fine any player who even thought that, with "conduct detrimental to winning."
                            Thank you. I'm right with you here. We need to find ways to win, not find ways to lose but score more points doing it.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                              Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                              I dont want to watch this crap on TV, why would I want to drive to the arena and pay to watch them.
                              Because that would be a 2259 mile drive for you...















































































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                              • #45
                                Re: Post game thread - The Tanks Rolls on through Utah

                                Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                                It will solve the problem of us playing that horrible offense Rick runs. Maybe if Davis starts coaching he will just let them run and gun like the dude down in Memphis, at least we can lose in a fun way like that.
                                you never saw JD coach in orlando did you?
                                lol
                                oh it might take care of the offense...but boy will our D be horrible...WORSE than it is now...
                                "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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