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    Default Dunleavy has been good all this febuary

    Game By Game Stats
    DateOpponentResultMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOFFDEFREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
    Feb 27vs. PHX L 92-103346-121-43-40661001116
    Feb 25vs. SAC L 93-110336-140-36-82794011318
    Feb 23@ TOR L 110-88300-40-32-2033020102
    Feb 21vs. MIL W 136-129327-140-42-20221202216
    Feb 14vs. MEM W 114-104325-142-52-20334201314
    Feb 11vs. LAC W 94-80419-122-20-00443302320
    Feb 9vs. DEN L 95-102419-153-72-247113102423
    Feb 7vs. SEA L 102-103334-102-31-22351102311
    Feb 5vs. GSW L 98-113374-153-90-0310137113211
    Feb 3@ MEM W 110-116425-90-13-41233102013
    Feb 2vs. LAL W 95-84403-111-63-40552001310



    those are some solid numbers if you can just ignore the fact that he only scored 2 points against the raps, thats the best month ive seen dunleavy play

    more positives for the Pacers, if the team gels, we're goin up
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    Really? And November 2006 didn't come to mind?

    If only we overlook a 2pt game, or 3-11 games, or 4-15 games?

    By that standard Jackson was not only not the horrible player some thought, but was even better than I gave him credit for. Here I thought 43-44% shooting with low 30s from 3, couple of assists was just blah for a perimeter player.

    Turns out it's a sign of how good the player is.


    I just don't get the need people have to boost Dun's ranking anymore than the need they used to have to pound on Jackson's numbers. There's plenty of space in between awesome and awful.

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    Dunleavy shot 44.6% for the month. Not great, but better than anything Stephen Jackson has ever done in his career.

    I like Dunleavy, but not as a starter. I like him more as a 6th man backing up the SG and SF positions. I believe in that role he can become one of the top-5 6th Men in the league.I liken him to a bigger, better rebounding Brent Barry, without quite the shooting touch Brent had. He's not quite as good as Quis is but he's certainly better than Stephen Jackson, who was absolutely horrible in his 2+ year stint with the Pacers.

    Question: does anyone know what the lowest FG% for a Pacers starter is? In his 2+ years here Jackson shot just under 41% (40.96%) - I'm guessing this is at or at least near the top of the list.

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    No way. You guys started Michael Curry for a while.

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    No way. You guys started Michael Curry for a while.
    He shot 44.8% during his time in Indy as a desperation brawl/injury replacement.
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    Seriously?

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    Game By Game Stats

    DateOpponentResultMINFGM-A3PM-AFTM-AOFFDEFREBASTSTLBLKTOPFPTS
    Feb 27vs. PHX L 92-103346-121-43-40661001116
    Feb 25vs. SAC L 93-110336-140-36-82794011318
    Feb 23@ TOR L 110-88300-40-32-2033020102
    Feb 21vs. MIL W 136-129327-140-42-20221202216
    Feb 14vs. MEM W 114-104325-142-52-20334201314
    Feb 11vs. LAC W 94-80419-122-20-00443302320
    Feb 9vs. DEN L 95-102419-153-72-247113102423
    Feb 7vs. SEA L 102-103334-102-31-22351102311
    Feb 5vs. GSW L 98-113374-153-90-0310137113211
    Feb 3@ MEM W 110-116425-90-13-41233102013
    Feb 2vs. LAL W 95-84403-111-63-40552001310



    those are some solid numbers if you can just ignore the fact that he only scored 2 points against the raps, thats the best month ive seen dunleavy play

    more positives for the Pacers, if the team gels, we're goin up

    I agree, Dun seems to be more comfortable with each game, and if he can continue to build on this, the Pacers might just surprise some posters here. One thing for sure, Dun doesn't bring all of the distractions that Jack brought to the team, and that is a good thing.

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    Those numbers look Jackesque to me. And we all know my feelings on Jack...

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    Wow, just looked a Curry's career numbers. . 448 is his career average. That's surprising. I guess its the lack of shooting that threw me off. I mean the guy started a whole season and took 275 shots. TOTAL SHOTS. Rip averages more free throws then that.

    Sorry. Continue with the rest of the thread.

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    Those numbers are decent but with the contract Dunleavy has I'd sure like to see him come up big down the stretch in close games. Maybe make some game deciding shots. Right now I'd rather have 'Quis in there at the end of games.
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    needs to work on shooting and toughness. can't stand seeing the guy get pushed around by guards like Sam Cassell.

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    Those numbers look Jackesque to me. And we all know my feelings on Jack...
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    (I mean Dunleavy hater that is, based on what's been said to me for saying the same thing)


    Other players who shot in the Jack range, Tinsley (obviously), Croshere, Billy Keller, Freddy Lewis, Workman, McCloud (not a starter of course, but sub .400 in modest minutes (900-1500 per year).

    3pt specialist like Perkins and Hoiberg put up lower FG% than Jack, but we aren't adjusting Jack's FG% for 3s made either at this point. That would take a lot more time to look into, but it would increase his efficiency in relation to the inside players that shot.

    For example, his EFFECTIVE .464 shooting (giving a half make bonus for every 3 made to take into account shooting a more effective 3pt shot) puts him closer to something like Tank Thompson's 48% or Mike Sanders 45%. It's even in the park of Rick Mount's adjusted in his one solid Pacers season (71-72, 2100 minutes played).

    Even George McGinnis only had an ADJUSTED (3pt makes included) FG% of .472.

    Fred Lewis adjusted - .457

    Jack was no burner, but he was hardly the disgrace you are trying to paint him as.

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    Sjax lost the fanbase with his attitude and on and off the court antics. It doesn't matter what his statistics are or were so I don't understand the constant bickering about them.

    Some people might've felt if he was shooting 70% from the floor he could've gotten more benefit of the doubt but he wasn't... and didn't... so the only debate that would make sense to me is whether we got the best deal we could've for him- Because he was going to have to be traded no matter what. That was clear by the end of last season to anyone paying attention to the ticket buyers at Conseco. And considering his legal problems it's hard to imagine his trade stock was rising this season.

    The bantering about his stats or how good of a player he was or was not is pointless... IMHO....

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    Sjax lost the fanbase with his attitude and on and off the court antics. It doesn't matter what his statistics are or were so I don't understand the constant bickering about them.
    I agree with your point. The bickering from my side comes with fans who fold the 2 items together. He loses his cool and acts like a jerk too much, he gets his head out of the game too often, I totally agreed with it.

    As long as no one pretends that a level-headed nice guy with the same results on court is going to make them win more games. It might make dealing with the losses easier easier, but that's about it.

    You wouldn't see me INITIATE a thread touting Jackson as a great shooter ever. I'm just saying he wasn't the STAT DEVIL that people turned him into because they had/have trouble separating their personal opinion of him (or other players) from his actual production.


    Affection for players like Quis and Dun get the threads like this going, it's the same but opposite type of reaction. Whatever happened to a player just being around average when his numbers suggest that he is?

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    Really? And November 2006 didn't come to mind?

    If only we overlook a 2pt game, or 3-11 games, or 4-15 games?

    By that standard Jackson was not only not the horrible player some thought, but was even better than I gave him credit for. Here I thought 43-44% shooting with low 30s from 3, couple of assists was just blah for a perimeter player.

    Turns out it's a sign of how good the player is.


    I just don't get the need people have to boost Dun's ranking anymore than the need they used to have to pound on Jackson's numbers. There's plenty of space in between awesome and awful.

    all im saying is, the guy has been productive overall this february, and i just put february, cuz basically thats the month he was a pacers, excluding the last week of January after he was traded.

    im not boosting any ranking, i just want people too see, that Dunleavy is now a pacer, and we could use him as one and he is useful, other people say he is junk, i just want to point that out.

    1 more thing, sjax is not a bad player, i actually like him, but i just think, DunDun is a better fit, come more toughness and consistency
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    all im saying is, the guy has been productive overall this february, and i just put february, cuz basically thats the month he was a pacers, excluding the last week of January after he was traded.
    Since joining the Pacers, Dunleavy has played 17 games while averaging 13ppg.

    Overall Stats as a Pacer ( in 17 games )

    3pt Total FGs - 20 3ptM / 66 3ptA
    3pt Average Per Game - 1.18 3ptM / 3.88 3ptA

    3pt FG% - .303

    2pt Total FGs - 62 2ptM / 126 2ptA
    2pt Average Per Game - 3.65 2ptM / 7.41 2ptA

    2pt FG% - .492

    Total Combined FGs - 82 FGM / 192 FGA
    Average Per Game - 4.83 FGM / 11.34 FGA

    Combined FG% - .427

    However, if you look at Dunleavy's overall stats since he has joined the Pacers and compare them to his February stats ( his first full month in a Pacer Uniform ):

    For the month of February, Dunleavy has played 11 games while averaging 14ppg.

    3pt Total FGs - 14 3ptM / 47 3ptA
    3pt Average Per Game - 1.27 3ptM / 4.27 3ptA

    3pt FG% - .298

    2pt Total FGs - 44 2ptM / 83 2ptA
    2pt Average Per Game - 4.0 2ptM / 7.55 2ptA

    2pt FG% - .530

    Total Combined FGs - 58 FGM / 120 FGA
    Average Per Game - 5.27 FGM / 11.82 FGA

    Combined FG% - .488

    it does appear that Dunleav was struggling at first in the first 6 games ( which is expected...given Carlisle's structured offense ) but has improved from a scoring perspective and is even scoring ( on average ) as much as SJax did when he was a Pacer ( in the 37 games this season ). If anything...over this last month....it does appear that he is taking and missing more 3pt FGAs....but he is becoming more efficient at hitting his 2pt FGAs.

    But until he improves his 3pt perimeter shooting.....as ThunderBird suggests......its probably best that Dunleavy sticks to playing more like Marquis and take his shots from inside the 3pt line instead of becoming Chuckleavy ( like SJax ) where he takes most of his shots from outside of the 3pt line.
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    one thing to know about mike, he mite never become CHUCKLEAVY as u said .lol
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    Dunleavy is mentally weak. That is his problem. He has all the skills and knowledge to be a damn good player, but he doesn't have the confidence. He needs to grow up and be a man. Maybe he should go out and get laid or something, I don't know.

    I'd still rather have him then Jax anyday.

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    one thing to know about mike, he mite never become CHUCKLEAVY as u said .lol
    Although careerwise...his 3pt shooting has seen better days.....Dunleavy has shot as badly as SJax ( 30% from the 3pt line....which is as bad Tinsley ) from the 3pt line and with as many attempts per game from the 3pt arc ever since he came to the Pacers.

    He may not be Chuckleavy...but he is doing a really good imitation of SJax when it comes to making 3pt shots.
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    Dunleavy is mentally weak. That is his problem. He has all the skills and knowledge to be a damn good player, but he doesn't have the confidence. He needs to grow up and be a man. Maybe he should go out and get laid or something, I don't know.

    I'd still rather have him then Jax anyday.
    I think this is a correct statement. Dunleavy has all the tools to be a very good player, and he's a fantastic athlete (42" vert in draft workouts). His problem is that he's not nearly aggresive enough, and is probably still suffering some confidence issues from the disaster that was his tenure in Golden State.

    I like him as a player, and I think he'll improve as he spends more and more time away from Golden State. But I really think his future is at Small Forward, because he'll never be able to keep up with most NBA shooting guards. With Danny and Shawne both needing minutes there, I don't know what can be done. I think we need a true SG on this team, and we don't really seem to have one. Quis is solid, but I think he's still a guy you'd rather have on the 2nd unit disrupting defenses to get other guys easy scores. He's not a championship caliber 2 guard unless he can shoot ~38% from 3.

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    Eindar, I agree totally.

    His contract is the issue. Either you trade Danny for a strong SG and let Dun stay or I don't know what you can do to fix the SF logjam.

    If the trade for Dun forces them to trade Danny/Shawne I'll be PO'd even more though. The trade did help some aspects of the play, a bit better flow, I like how Murph fits his role better than Al did, but with the financial aspect and adding another SF to the team it looks like a pretty poor deal to me.


    I said it at the time, trading Jack I understood. Al clearly wasn't working out as hoped. But the one position you could't take on players was a SF, not with Danny, Shawne and even Quis on the team (who's lack of shot but ability to get inside make him a nice threat from the SF on offense).

    Jack and Al for Baron, or Ray Allen, etc I would have understood much more.


    The Jack vs Dun from 3 looks hella worse if you look at what Jack was doing the month before the trade for the Pacers. After putting up with his terrible NOV the Pacers bailed just when his streakiness was paying off for them.

    Maybe wait till the deadline to make the deal, suck out the rest of Jack's hot streak before moving him.

    Jack from 3 in JAN - 35%, in DEC - 34.6%. Not great, but a few less attempts from time to time and better than the 30 or sub at 4+ takes that Dun has been doing.

    His scoring inside the arc has been nothing short of remarkable however. Makes me wonder why he keeps forcing up so many 3s per game. 1-2 okay perhaps, but you don't see Quis putting up 4 a night out there and for good reason.

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