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    With many different rumors circulating on this board and all over the net concerning trades involving Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Chucky Atkins, Luke Ridnour, and several other NBA quality players, I wanted to start a discussion about what we really need to be looking for to add to our team, and hopefully maybe get some ideas about identifying who these guys might be.

    First, let me discuss our roster of wing players and make my case for why we need a great perimeter defender more than any other need. The Pacers currently have no one who can legitimately cause any good scorer any problems to score:
    -Dunleavy....decent team defender but can be broken down easily by quicker people......has no chance guarding the elite scorers our competitors have.
    -Daniels....average defender at best, more of an offensive player and scorer on our team.
    -Granger....might develop into a good defender someday but lacks the experience and savvy and reputation to be able to guard the Wade, Lebron, Ray Allen, and Rip Hamiliton's of the world. Add to that that we need him to score for us and to not have to focus so much on guarding the opponents best player. Danny will be in foul trouble in the playoffs if our roster stays the same as it is now.
    -Tinsley....doesnt have the desire, height, quickness, or athleticism to guard most teams starting point guards effectively. We can hide and coach around his poorer shooting sometimes, but his lack of defense is a constant factor.
    -Armstrong....too old to be counted on for big important minutes as the season goes on....not big enough to guard biger guys and will be exploited if we pair him and Tinsley too much against good teams.

    So clearly, in my view, the easiest, cheapest, and best way for us to get better as a team would be to add at least one and if possible two players who are above average or better defenders at the 1,2, and/or 3 spots. If we add a point guard he needs to be able to start, if its a wing we might be able to get by with a backup type, although Id prefer a starter.

    In the front court we have Jermaine as a really good defender, and depending on the matchup Foster doesnt hurt us so much. With a lack of bigs in the east as scorers, we probably can get by with who we have in the post: Oneal, Murphy, Foster, Baston, Ike, possibly Harrison and Williams active on certain nights. I don't view our post defense as much of a problem as our perimeter defense is, and I actually think we will end up being above average on the backboard against most of the teams we'd play.

    We need someone who can guard the opponents best guy when the game is on the line....someone who can stay in front of them and force them into tough shots. We need a defensive minded role player to play on the perimeter, and a point guard who could pressure the ball and stop penetration would be nice too.

    Instead of dreaming of a high salaried scorer like Carter, or an offensive point guard like Bibby or Francis or Ridnour, this is where Donnie and Larry should be looking. If we fill these 2 key spots somehow by the deadline with the right guys, I think we are a legitimate contender right now in the east, if not I think we are too flawed to go very far.

    Anybody have any names for a defensive minded wing (please nobody suggest Artest) and/or a defensive minded point guard?

    Whether or not we can acquire these guys by the deadline, its these specific weaknesswe need to try and fix in the offseason.....and I admit that early on I thought it would be perimeter shooting that would be a bigger priority, but I now am firmly convinced its defense on the wing and point.

    Just my opinion as always....

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    Good post

    I looked around a bit, and couldn't really come up with anyone that sparked me as a great defender, that would be available.
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    Default Re: Tbird analysis: Our number one need is an elite perimeter defender

    Did you want someone to say Scottie Pippen? Because we ain't having none of that up in here.

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    Just my opinion as always....

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    I don't think you went far enough. I would have enjoyed your posting who you thought could do the job.

    My other thought was it would probably be easier to find and get someone who was unstoppable himself. Then at least we we have a 50-50 change of being on top at the end of a game.

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    In past years, I'd have brought up Trenton Hassell. But they're finally making that Minnesota team work, somehow, to a point. And he's part of that.

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    we have two defensive PGs on the roster already in greene and mcleod (although we haven't seen keith enough to know whether he truly is a solid defender...its just his reputation) the problem is greene can't run an offense. if keith gets a shot, maybe he's that guy because he was a starter for jerry sloan (which is a fairly demanding job).

    we also have rawle marshall who is definitely a solid defender, not premiere mind you but solid.

    names im going to toss out from a PG/SG position (not saying probable targets, just names that come to mind)

    Adrian Griffin ... great defender, probably only if we get involved as part of a bulls deal (maybe for gasol?)
    Larry Hughes, Eric Snow ... i know they're trying to improve the PG position and trying to move Hughes, not sure how likely this type of move would be or if we'd want to make that type of deal
    Antonio Daniels ... highly doubt Washington would want to trade this guy but he's someone who has a fairly good defensive reputation (probably why the Wiz treasure him) and an offensive game
    Greg Buckner ... another defensive minded player, just not sure why Dallas would need/want to trade him, where do they need to improve?
    Jannero Pargo, Desmond Mason ... from what i remember pargo is fairly good defensively and has a decent offensive game. same with mason. not sure why NO/OKC would want to trade them (at least DM)
    Damien Wilkens ... decent defender, probably only deal him with danny fortson
    Raja Bell ... why would PHX trade him? probably only to improve the PG position AND trade Banks. they do have barbosa right behind him. that being said, he's the only one that can stop...errr....slow down players like kobe and carmelo and howard in the west so probably not going to happen
    Cuttino Mobley ... not a defensive specialist but definitely not a liability defensively and quite an offensive game to go with it. not likely if they're set on trading magette though.

    like i said, just some names of defenders at the PG or SG positions ... not necessarily people i'm dying to bring in.
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    Jannero Pargo, Desmond Mason ... from what i remember pargo is fairly good defensively and has a decent offensive game. same with mason. not sure why NO/OKC would want to trade them (at least DM)
    I will have to trust you on his defensive skills and I am not sure what our salary situation in the offseason ( and therefore how much we can spend on any possible FA ), but I wouldn't mind making some run on signing Mason.

    He is a very solid 44% 2nd/3rd option shooter.....the only problem is that he has no 3pt shot. If he could defend...then he would be worth it to me.
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    The only solid defenders that I know of is Trenton Hassell and Quinton Ross.

    The one thing that I have noticed is that alot of the younger defenders are usually locked up for 3 or 4 years.
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    how do you aquire a defensive oriented guard who isn't a offensive liability at the same time. They're tough to find.My ideal situation would be to have a pg who can full court press the opposing pgs for 48minutes.We see how effective Armstrong is when he's out there and i would love to have my starting pg be able to do the same type of thing.A guy like Marcus Banks could do that since he's one of the best on the ball defenders in the game but he might be to much of a offensive liabilty to play big minutes.Watson is another pg who a excellent one on one defender but again hes not a very good playmaker for the position and certainly not the shooter we need to keep defenses honest if were going to play Daniels in the backourt with him.Walsh and Bird are going to have a tough time addressing that position.

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    Default Re: Tbird analysis: Our number one need is an elite perimeter defender

    Delonte West, Daniel Gibson or Earl Watson in that order would be the players I would target. I'm not sure if any of them are attainable without giving up players we would rather keep.

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    Ironically they took a small hit when they moved Jackson on this area.

    I really, really wish they'd made a run at Andre Miller. Not a great defender, but pretty solid compared to Tinsley and a strong A/TO ball protector who doesn't need a tone of FGAs for a good night.

    Looking at what was moved in that AI/Miller deal I think the Pacers could have gotten in there. Who knows, maybe they tried too.


    Greene is a strong defender, but his ball handling is so limited that Rick can't get him on the court on a regular basis. I wouldn't mind seeing him paired with Quis at times though because Q can initiate the offense well enough and the 2 of them could defend the outside enough to change the momentum of a game in 5 minutes.

    But right now the team has such limited offensive flow and no true take-over scorer that it's kinda tough getting a defense only guy on the court at any point.


    T'bird - an issue you missed on Armstrong is his desire to CONSTANTLY GAMBLE. It's exciting when it pays off, but it's a backbreaker when he misses. And unfortunately that seems to run at about a 50/50 rate. Sometimes I wish he's tone that part down and play a bit more conservative during points in the game, save the homerun tries for key moments instead.

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    If only Ron Artest will behave...................

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    I suspect that any PG that can defend ( much like any other defensive minded player ) is going to have to be a backup role-player that can come in for 10-20 mpg since starting quality PGs that are decent in the offense and defense are near impossible to find.

    If Watson ( or any other PG listed above ) were available......although he would be expensive....I would consider him as a backup PG...not the starter.
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    Default Re: Tbird analysis: Our number one need is an elite perimeter defender

    This is a couple of years old, but it's interesting. I can't say anything about the reliability of this post since it's from a blog, but this guy seems to be a sort of John Hollinger wannabe. Here are his top defensive players.

    Top Six Small Forwards (best to worst):

    1. Shane Battier
    2. Darius Miles
    3. Trevor Ariza
    4. Shandon Anderson
    5. Paul Pierce
    6. Bruce Bowen

    Top Eight Shooting Guards (best to worst):

    1. Tony Allen
    2. Andre Iguodala
    3. Josh Smith
    4. Ben Gordon
    5. Aaron McKie
    6. Gerald Wallace
    7. Manu Ginobili
    8. Eddie Jones

    Top Five Point Guards (best to worst):

    1. Chris Duhon
    2. Marcus Banks
    3. Earl Watson
    4. Jason Kidd
    5. Eric Snow

    He also goes on to comment that Larry Hughes and Trenton Hassell fell just short of making the lists.

    Personally, I'd love to see Chris Duhon in Indy.

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    Interesting.......the one PG that many on PD have often asked for...when it comes to a defensive minded PG...Delonte...is not on the list.

    And he was drafted at the same time as Gordon and Allen.

    It sounds like Marcus Banks is a solid defensive minded PG. I doubt that he could be had though...we have nothing to give up to get him.
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    Perimeter defense has been a big issue for the Pacers since Artest left (and FJ stopped trying). Trading Jackson has only magnified this weakness. Tinsley has stopped playing any defense. Our two wings (Dunleavy, Granger) don't have much of a shot guarding elite wings or penetrators. Granger has defensive ability, but he doesn't stick well with guys going right at him. He also has a bad habit (as do most Pacers) of drifting when guarding someone off-ball.

    The problem is most teams are looking for more perimeter defense. There are guys who can do it, but they are usually too much of a liability somewhere else (think of O. Greene).

    I have always thought Brevin Knight would be a good player for the Pacers. He would not help our wing defense, but he can still get after other PG's and is an effective offensive player in recent years.

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    It sounds like Marcus Banks is a solid defensive minded PG. I doubt that he could be had though...we have nothing to give up to get him.
    a lot of analysts have called PHX signing of banks the worst move of the offseason. PHX from what i understand is really anxious to trade him, i think they'd love to get tinsley for him. they really overpaid him. he isn't a great playmaker and he's turnover prone. now maybe part of it is playing in the suns' system, maybe he'd do better at our tempo (he got the contract after having a career season in Minnesota). but PHX desperately needs a reliable/talented PG so that steve doesn't shut down in the playoffs again. because they're sinking without nash and diaw in the lineup and banks just isn't cutting it.
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    I have always thought Brevin Knight would be a good player for the Pacers. He would not help our wing defense, but he can still get after other PG's and is an effective offensive player in recent years.
    You mentioning Knight reminds me. I dreamed last night that that was who the Pacers traded for. I didn't dream who we traded to get him though.

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    a lot of analysts have called PHX signing of banks the worst move of the offseason. PHX from what i understand is really anxious to trade him, i think they'd love to get tinsley for him. they really overpaid him. he isn't a great playmaker and he's turnover prone. now maybe part of it is playing in the suns' system, maybe he'd do better at our tempo (he got the contract after having a career season in Minnesota). but PHX desperately needs a reliable/talented PG so that steve doesn't shut down in the playoffs again. because they're sinking without nash and diaw in the lineup and banks just isn't cutting it.
    Would a PG like Tinsley...who seems to dominate the ball....be good on a team that has a lot of ball movement?
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    Perminter defenders are very valueable in this league. That is why Greg Buckner was locked up by the Mavs and Adrian Griffin was signed by the Bulls.

    We do need a perminter defender, badly. The problem is, when will he play? We have Granger, Dunleavy, and Daniels at the 2-3.

    Guys who would help with the perminter defense:

    - Ira Newble: A guy I have always liked as a role player off the bench.
    - Brevin Knight: Short but still a good on the ball defender at the point.
    - James Posey: A top defender at the 2-3 positions.
    - Dahntay Jones: I think he is pretty underratted as a defender.
    - Marko Jaric: Good defender with nice skills on offense.
    - Trenton Hassell: I thought the Bulls were stupid to let him go, and he has proved that. Good defender.
    - Marcus Banks: A very good defender at the point. Would really help us out.
    - Jason Hart: Like Banks, a good defender at the point. Hart lacks great offenseive skills but as a backup on a team with Dunleavy and Daniels I think we could make up for his short comings there.

    Teams have recgonized the value of a perminter defender. That is why guys like Griffin, Hassell, Stevenson, Buckner, Newble, etc are getting signed quickly. The only one avaliable on the free agent market is Doug Christie. I believe he just left the Clippers. Only how good is he at his age? Who knows?

    One thing for sure is the Pacers need one badly, but also this team needs to define players role. Like I said before, when is the addition of a defender supposed to play? We would have to get rid of Daniels to make room for one.

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    Would a PG like Tinsley...who seems to dominate the ball....be good on a team that has a lot of ball movement?
    the better question is: would tinsley be a better solution than banks? and that answer is yes. you don't have to run nash ragged especially near the end of the season if you have a starting PG as the backup. and i think tinsley would put up with that type of scenario too. tinsley does dominate the ball, but he does make plays, which is more than they're getting from banks right now. i agree with you that his style isn't what PHX likes running. but the fact remains, PHX will never win a championship if nash can't make it to and thru the postseason and having tinsley as the backup PG is going to save Nash a TON of minutes. they gambled on banks after a great season and it didn't pay off. they've got barbosa playing backup and banks (until the nash injury) not playing a great deal. the ball just doesn't move when banks is in and then offensively he hasn't been able to impress them. im not sure how they feel about his defense given they don't have much of a feeling for defense anyway. despite his domination of the ball, i think they'd actually get more movement with tinsley.

    and to rommie... personally i don't think we go out and get a defender unless he has a decent offensive game - i mentioned before like raja bell or antonio daniels or cuttino mobley but i don't see those three being all that likely.

    as for a few of the guys you mentioned:

    posey has a decent offensive game and an expiring contract. chances are high that he is available. i can't say im interested in his baggage but i'd prefer him if given a choice of posey or walker
    knight... is this guy ever healthy? when healthy he'd be good but would that happen? he's also horrific from 3pt range.
    jones... haven't seen enough of him to really have an opinion, isn't he al's cousin? not that it should have any merit in this convo, just a question...
    jaric... maybe im wrong but i don't think he is that good in a halfcourt situation. decent defender though and can shoot but not a playmaker
    hassell... defender yes, offensive threat no. if we made a trade with Minnesota, i'd probably want him thrown in but i wouldnt go out of my way to get him

    i also agree with your question about where this player would fit in. but doug christie? you think tinsley is a distraction just wait until doug and crazy christie roll into town. i'll pass.
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    - Jason Hart: Like Banks, a good defender at the point. Hart lacks great offenseive skills but as a backup on a team with Dunleavy and Daniels I think we could make up for his short comings there.
    Although I don't know how much of an upgrade he would be to Greene or McLeod....I was listening to the Sacramento Sports radio station and they mentioned that Hart has been quiet but not happy with his very limited...if not non-existent....role on the Kings.

    They even mentioned that it was likely that he would be waived after the Trade deadline if he isn't included as filler in some trade.
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    I think everyone is giving some good input on this topic so far. One thing we are finding out I think from discussing this is just how rare these guys are....the other thing we are realizing is that often its the very good teams that have some of the guys we are thinking about. Here are some of my thoughts on some of your thoughts above:

    1. HOW WOULD THIS ACQUISITION GET MINUTES, IF IT IS A WING DEFENDER THAT'S ACQUIRED?

    Thats a very good point I think. Dunleavy can't be moved yet easily due to his contract and a trade restriction, and seems to be fitting in well with us...he is likely to stay. Granger is a good player who is a fan favorite, young with lots of potential for growth, and most importantly is cheap and on his rookie contract. Daniels is an intriguing player for me due to his off the dribble game and his relative youth....still however if we could acquire an elite defender he'd likely need to be included.

    However, if none of these guys left us and we used some of our other assets to make a deal (one of our extra bigs, cash, picks, etc etc) then to get them time you'd need to play Marquis at the point some. I've been in favor all year of making that experiment happen, but obviously the Pacers see Daniels in practice every day and must not feel he can handle it. It is an interesting thing trying to figure out a way to get players enough minutes to contribute when all your players have holes and limits in their games.

    2. IF WE TRADE FOR A POINT GUARD DEFENDER, WHO WOULD BE A GOOD FIT?

    If we somehow went that route, there may be some names out there you've mentioned that would be available, and a few that havent been mentioned. I'm not sure most teams don't underestimate the value of having an excellent defending point guard, so I actually think this type of player might be available. I really liked Marcus Banks in the offseason, but have been surprised at how poorly he has done for the Suns. The questions about his play are whether he is just a poor fit for them or if his contract has made him lazy and content.....without seeing him more often I can't give an opinion, but I really wanted him in the summer. I do know some people who's judgment I trust who thought I was dead wrong about him however, and for now it seems as if they were right and I was wrong.

    Jacque Vaughn, Rajon Rondo and yes even Anthony Johnson might be available if we so chose to go after them. Rondo intrigues me quite a bit, even though I know he doesnt shoot well....don't know whether he'd be available or not.

    The Bulls are an intriguing roster for me, because they have some guys on their team I clearly like. There is a radio host in Chicago who swears they are willing to move Kirk Hinrich, although that most likely wouldnt happen until the summer. Chris Duhon intrigues me alot, and I wonder if an Ike Diogu and filler for Chris Duhon and filler wouldnt make some sense for both teams. Duhon is a fairly good shooter, good defender, smart player, and has a Duke pedigree and winning attitude. He also is fairly inexpensive, blocked behind Ben Gordon and Hinrich and maybe available....I'd strongly consider him I think. I also like Thabo Sefolosha off their bench from this past draft, and I think athletically he projects as a possible great wing defender in the future with his athleticism and long arms.

    Of course, its hard to imagine the Bulls and Pacers making a deal since we share the same division, but its been done before.....intriguing team to watch I think.

    3. IF WE MAKE A DEAL, SHOULD WE TRY AND GET A VETERAN, OR SHOULD WE EMPHASIZE GETTING YOUNGER?

    This is a tough call actually. In alot of ways we could use a veteran player immediately for a playof run right now, but we might be better off taking a longer term view of things. For instance (I know this will never happen) I really believe a Marquis Daniels for Bruce Bowen and filler makes some sense for both teams as they are currently constituted, but would that same trade make sense 3 years from now? I don't know.....we might be better off trying to develop and draft a defender, and look for one with our MLE next summer.

    For the record, here are some guys I think are good defenders that would be nice to acquire, if the price wasnt too high:

    (In no order).....Jacque Vaughn, Rajon Rondo, Chris Duhon, Thabo Sefalosha (sp?), Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Anthony Johnson (he'd know the system, be cheap, and be well rested too lol).

    In my dreams I'd take Kirk Hinrich if by some miracle he became available, and if I thought that was remotely possible I'd hold off until the summer and play out the season to see if I could manuever my way to get him. I doubt it happens though.

    Just my opinion, as always....

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    Although I don't know how much of an upgrade he would be to Greene or McLeod....I was listening to the Sacramento Sports radio station and they mentioned that Hart has been quiet but not happy with his very limited...if not non-existent....role on the Kings.

    They even mentioned that it was likely that he would be waived after the Trade deadline if he isn't included as filler in some trade.
    Yeah I think that Hart is an average backup but I think that is better than Greene or McLeod.

    Hart was very good for Charlotte in his one year there. He averaged 9 points, 5 assists, less than 1.5 turnovers, and shot 44% from the field and 36% from 3 point range. He hasn't found that form in Sacramento but also hasn't been given the minutes either.

    So lets say that Sacramento cuts him, we cut Greene, and at worse Hart is playing like he does in Sacramento, which is still probably better than Greene has done.

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    Default Re: Tbird analysis: Our number one need is an elite perimeter defender

    I'll throw a name out there: SG/SF Dahntay Jones. He's an excellent athlete and gets to the rim...and he's a real good defender. Plus, he's a cousin of Al Harrington.

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