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Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

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  • #31
    Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

    Marquis is now averaging 15.0 ppg since the trade.

    Before the trade he was averaging 5.0 ppg.

    That's a serious difference. And honestly, I've been saying all along that Marquis wouldn't average in double figures, but I'm prepared to eat my hat.

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    • #32
      Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

      This whole thread is very confusing - I feel like half of it is missing.

      So I'm going to move on and give my thoughts from my seat in the lower level.


      Pacers have a very fundamental flaw. They have real problems getting key stops late in the game. And I don't have any idea how this current team can rectify that flaw.

      By all measures of fairness Baston should be getting all of Ike's minutes. Next time someone posts that Rick won't play young players and that he always plays veterans - I will point out that Ike is playing over Baston when Baston is just a more valuable and better player. Ike makes more mental mistakes in 5 minutes than most players make in 3 or 4 games. I have real concerns about whether Ike will ever amount to much. He does a a gift though - the ability to score in the low post - but at times it looks like he's never played basketball before.

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      • #33
        Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        This whole thread is very confusing - I feel like half of it is missing.

        So I'm going to move on and give my thoughts from my seat in the lower level.


        Pacers have a very fundamental flaw. They have real problems getting key stops late in the game. And I don't have any idea how this current team can rectify that flaw.

        By all measures of fairness Baston should be getting all of Ike's minutes. Next time someone posts that Rick won't play young players and that he always plays veterans - I will point out that Ike is playing over Baston when Baston is just a more valuable and better player. Ike makes more mental mistakes in 5 minutes than most players make in 3 or 4 games. I have real concerns about whether Ike will ever amount to much. He does a a gift though - the ability to score in the low post - but at times it looks like he's never played basketball before.
        I would like to think that team defensive cohesiveness, a Rick Carlisle specialty is something that will take some time to teach these new guys...hopefully it'll develop by April.

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        • #34
          Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

          I'm just going to stay out of this one.

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          • #35
            Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

            *shaking my head at this thread*

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            • #36
              Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              This whole thread is very confusing - I feel like half of it is missing.

              So I'm going to move on and give my thoughts from my seat in the lower level.


              Pacers have a very fundamental flaw. They have real problems getting key stops late in the game. And I don't have any idea how this current team can rectify that flaw.

              By all measures of fairness Baston should be getting all of Ike's minutes. Next time someone posts that Rick won't play young players and that he always plays veterans - I will point out that Ike is playing over Baston when Baston is just a more valuable and better player. Ike makes more mental mistakes in 5 minutes than most players make in 3 or 4 games. I have real concerns about whether Ike will ever amount to much. He does a a gift though - the ability to score in the low post - but at times it looks like he's never played basketball before.
              Thank you for bringing it back to BBALL.

              Maceo has been playing well and I won't say he doesn't deserve to get some mins.

              But I have to disagree with you about IKE. Yes, I am a bit of a fan of his, but this kid will be very good in the future. The first thing about him is that he is only 23, and in his second year. Not many will agree, but I would rather have IKE on the floor than Jeff. Yes he is young, but he gets rebounds and scores in the low post, and also gets to the line. He showed what he can do against Memphis and if you look at the games where he has gotten at least 20 mins he has played very well.
              Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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              • #37
                Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                Danny was really aggressive attacking the rim too which is good someone must have finally brought it up to him that he needs to be more agressive with that. Jermaine even looked like he was going to the rim every chance he got hence all the foul calls on the bucks...amazing how that works.

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                • #38
                  Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                  Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                  *shaking my head at this thread*

                  "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                  • #39
                    Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                    I was literally laughing my *** off when we got "Reggied" by Redd. Only the Pacers...

                    I also love how our franchise player came up big with a pair of airballs with the game on the line. Guess he just didn't want a 30-point night.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                      Sorry I had to cut my prior post a little short.

                      For the record I really like Dunleavy's game (I won't go into detail in this thread). But as I have said ever since the trade took place - if you are going to judge Mike's game based upon his shooting and ability to hit outside shots - you will be very disappointed - but more importantly you'll miss Mike's all around game which is quite good. I thought Mike played very well tonight. I believe judging Dunleavy's game based upon his shooting % is a little like judging Derrick McKey's game based upon his shooting %

                      - Rant alert - All those idiots who left the game early tonight - I hope they enjoyed the part that they did see. I was shocked at how many people left at the end of the third quarter and throughout the whole 4th quarter people just kept leaving. Hope they feel as though they got their money's worth even though they missed the best part of the game. I don't know if those that leave early just don't care if the pacers win or lose or if they are just ignorant and think that a 4 point lead with 50 second left means the outcome is assured.

                      I love watching Marquis play basketball - this is the player I wanted the Pacers to acquire last summer.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                        Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                        All this hate/love with players is so stupid. Is there anyone left that's just a Pacers fan?
                        I'm with you dude, if they are in a Pacer uniform I root for them. The hate for certain players is mind boggling, especially the hate some have for JO.

                        I like where the team is right now. The chemistry seems much better post trade. The team still needs more time to gel. Are we a contender right now? No, but we could win a few rounds in the playoffs. That's all we realistically can hope for this broken season. If Granger can fast track his progress we can be contenders again real soon. With Quis, Shawne and Ike we have some excellent young players with upside. We need one more guy to become an all star along with JO and maybe one more to develop into a border line all star and our rebuild will be a success. No trades just for trades sake. Teams take time to become a real TEAM, people are just to impatient.
                        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                        • #42
                          Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                          Originally posted by odeez View Post
                          Thank you for bringing it back to BBALL.

                          Maceo has been playing well and I won't say he doesn't deserve to get some mins.

                          But I have to disagree with you about IKE. Yes, I am a bit of a fan of his, but this kid will be very good in the future. The first thing about him is that he is only 23, and in his second year. Not many will agree, but I would rather have IKE on the floor than Jeff. Yes he is young, but he gets rebounds and scores in the low post, and also gets to the line. He showed what he can do against Memphis and if you look at the games where he has gotten at least 20 mins he has played very well.
                          Don't you see the mental mistakes though. Players constantly telling him where he should be - reminding him what play they are running - and even then he still ofteny doesn't run the play that is called. Rick had to pull him tonight in the first half. He had no choice.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Don't you see the mental mistakes though. Players constantly telling him where he should be - reminding him what play they are running - and even then he still ofteny doesn't run the play that is called. Rick had to pull him tonight in the first half. He had no choice.
                            According to alot of people he has a very hard time learning plays.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                              One other point I want to make about Marquis. He'll be even more important to this Pacers team in the playoffs. His ability to create a shot virtually when there isn't one - will be huge in the playoffs. Every good playoff team needs at least one player who can create something out of nothing.

                              I do hope though that Rick and coaching staff puts in series of plays for Marquis where he gets the ball at the top of the key in the midle of the floor. High pick and rolls, 1-4 type plays - double screen and rolls - those would be key in any playoff series.

                              I don't know if Marquis is the second best player right now on the team - but I'm confident he'll be the second most important player in the playoffs.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Post game thread - Double OT Win Against Bucks

                                Originally posted by odeez View Post
                                I sure hope we can beat the SUNS at least one of those games!

                                Yeah just our luck... Nash is out for an extended time and the suns struggle mightly with out him including a loss to our rival Chicago.. he comes back just in time to play us twice in a row... why couldn't we play them while he's out.... sigh....
                                You didn't think it was gonna be that easy, did you? ..... You know, for a second there, yeah, I kinda did.....
                                Silly rabbit..... Trix are for kids.

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