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    He didnt know the Warriors plays either.
    Where do you get your info? He was a big Fan fave here in Oakland and played pretty well for a rookie, before getting hurt and the coaching change. He just didn't fit into Nellie ball. This kid is going to be good!

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    Where do you get your info? He was a big Fan fave here in Oakland and played pretty well for a rookie, before getting hurt and the coaching change. He just didn't fit into Nellie ball. This kid is going to be good!
    I got my info from living in the Bay and watching most of the Warriors games. Nellie said many times that he didnt play because he didnt know the playbook.

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    Can please all agree at least that there is a big difference between Ike and David Harrison, however?

    I feel as if Rick Carlisle can make something special out of Ike. He obviously likes his game a lot already. Then again, I'm a huge Rick Carlisle fan.

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    After being indicted today for the brawl at 8 sec saloon, did Tinsley & Daniels have to turn themselves in to po po right after the game or not?
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    First team, second team, whichever, just give the man more minutes.

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    I got my info from living in the Bay and watching most of the Warriors games. Nellie said many times that he didnt play because he didnt know the playbook.
    Well I live in the BAY too, nice to meet ya, we should hang out. Nellie is on crack if that is why he didn't play IKE. Before Nellie came, IKE played. Nellie, I believe is also known for not playing young players. Anyways, I'll let the kid do the talking for me, he is going to be a beast in a couple of years.

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    I think DaSmash brought up our lack of individual coaching and how that hurts us and player development. It seems like Ike could be a casualty of that bugaboo as well.

    If it's just a matter of drilling the Pacer playbook into his head plus working on some recognition issues, it seems to me he'd be well worth the investment in time and manpower to do just that. Assign a teacher to him and get to working some one on one sessions....



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    Well I live in the BAY too, nice to meet ya, we should hang out. Nellie is on crack if that is why he didn't play IKE. Before Nellie came, IKE played. Nellie, I believe is also known for not playing young players. Anyways, I'll let the kid do the talking for me, he is going to be a beast in a couple of years.
    I agree with you I love Ike's game and I wish he could get 15 minutes everynight. I just said I heard from alot of people that he has trouble learning the plays, I got no problems with Ikey.

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    Marquis is now averaging 15.0 ppg since the trade.

    Before the trade he was averaging 5.0 ppg.

    That's a serious difference. And honestly, I've been saying all along that Marquis wouldn't average in double figures, but I'm prepared to eat my hat.
    WOW, I did not know that. Nice work QUIS!

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    I agree with you I love Ike's game and I wish he could get 15 minutes everynight. I just said I heard from alot of people that he has trouble learning the plays, I got no problems with Ikey.
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    This trade was brilliant in that we gained a new Danny Granger and a new Marquis Daniels. Defining roles on a team is SO underrated. This was more important to Danny and Marquis than having consistent teammates around them. As long as guys know what they have to do. I like how Murphy is starting to develop some of this awareness as well. Dunleavy is good in his role but he either needs to work on his jump shot or stop taking as many outside shots.

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    I think Dat Dude is right to an extent but you have to understand two things man:

    1.) MDJ hasn't been with the team long so the grace period is still not over.
    2.) Marquis needs to come off the bench because if MDJ came off the bench we would have no punch at all with the 2nd unit. Marquis is obviously the key to this team now and I think Rick is learning how to use him correctly. He's going to be finishing every game from here on out, don't worry.
    I don't see why the hate for MDJ. It's typical for new guys to get embraced by the fanbase! Once you acquire someone on your team, you become a fan and you want that player to do well! It's not that you appreciate or like that player more, it's just that they are a new hope to your team! You already know what the players that you have can do, so you pull for your newcomers to fit in a do better! I don't see what wrong with that?!


    On the game side, I thought JO and Danger played really well! JO came back from the hit in the head, and Danny played well on both ends! I thought Quis and the Tin Man played well. Seeing as I was worried if they would even play after the legal news... I was happy they played and they contributed. Quis was ... well Quis and always seem to come through, and I'll take Tin Man's double double any night! I thought Dun Dun and Murph contributed like Donnie and Larry expected them to when they made the trade. And Maceo looked good as well! We play like this... WHILE getting some stops and we're a team to be reckoned with!!

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    I don't see why the hate for MDJ. It's typical for new guys to get embraced by the fanbase! Once you acquire someone on your team, you become a fan and you want that player to do well! It's not that you appreciate or like that player more, it's just that they are a new hope to your team! You already know what the players that you have can do, so you pull for your newcomers to fit in a do better! I don't see what wrong with that?!


    On the game side, I thought JO and Danger played really well! JO came back from the hit in the head, and Danny played well on both ends! I thought Quis and the Tin Man played well. Seeing as I was worried if they would even play after the legal news... I was happy they played and they contributed. Quis was ... well Quis and always seem to come through, and I'll take Tin Man's double double any night! I thought Dun Dun and Murph contributed like Donnie and Larry expected them to when they made the trade. And Maceo looked good as well! We play like this... WHILE getting some stops and we're a team to be reckoned with!!
    I'm definitely not hating on MDJ, he is just not the kind of scoring punch we need of the bench. I love how he helps JO and Danny with the first unit and I love every aspect of his game except his scoring, which I think is ok. Am I the only one who thinks Rick's handling this very well? Slowly but surely rotations are finally being carved out. After two years of inconsistency. It's amazing how few people seem to appreciate the brilliant coaching job this guy performs game after game. He isn't going to be perfect but he certainly has lots of strengths. It's not his fault the Pacer don't bring in individual coaches btw...

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    Because for about 30 games of the season Rick Carlisle kept this man out of the lineup for no apparent reason other then that he is in love with playing 2 point guards all the time.

    I dont care what Jasikavicus and DA were doing the first half of the season, whatever it was it wasnt better then what Quis could have been doing.
    I think it is pretty obvious that Jax was being showcased in the early part of the season when he was eating up most of the SG minutes. Rick was trying his hardest to put Saras in spots where he could be effective. Quis had some injury niggles and was still learning the system at the start of the season. Your blaming Rick for everything gets tiresome.

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    Two things stood out to me from the box score:

    1. We had a good 1st quarter finally, leading by 15 at the end. Hopefully we can make a habit of that.

    2. We had 16 more free throw attempts. I guess the refs don't hate the Pacers after all. Or maybe they just hate the Bucks worse.

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    Two things stood out to me from the box score:


    2. We had 16 more free throw attempts. I guess the refs don't hate the Pacers after all. Or maybe they just hate the Bucks worse.
    Yeah, refs just don't give a hoot about the Bucks. lol.

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    Can somebody give me a run-down on how Bogut played? How did he go defending in the post, and did the Bucks get him the ball at all or did all his shots come off boards and broken plays like they usually do?

    From the box score it looks like he had a reasonable allround game but sucked from the foul line. Fouled out in 38mins...

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    I'm definitely not hating on MDJ, he is just not the kind of scoring punch we need of the bench. I love how he helps JO and Danny with the first unit and I love every aspect of his game except his scoring, which I think is ok. Am I the only one who thinks Rick's handling this very well? Slowly but surely rotations are finally being carved out. After two years of inconsistency. It's amazing how few people seem to appreciate the brilliant coaching job this guy performs game after game. He isn't going to be perfect but he certainly has lots of strengths. It's not his fault the Pacer don't bring in individual coaches btw...
    Well he doesn't come off the bench, he starts. And he can bring the ball up when needed, he passes, rebounds and attempts to play defense.. that works for me. Throw in the fact that he'll chip in double digit points every night, and those he may not shoot the best percentage, he takes quality shots, so he's alright to me.

    I like Carlisle. I think he takes timeouts at great times, and is a pretty good play caller, except at the end of games! I know without Reggie the playcalling is a lot harder, but he's so predictable! Since we don't have a go to guy, I wish we had more movement at the end of the game. Instead it's always isolation with either Tinsley or JO, unless we need a 3, then it's get it to Danny and see if he hits! So Rick needs to work on end game situations, and no when to go with the hot hand, and when the hot hand isn't hot anymore!

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    I dont know what it has to do with him, but I usually hate players that people who hate Jermaine love. Its just simple like that. I got to equal the scale, Jermaine gets so much hate, that someone has to hate the other players and thats me.

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    What I've seen of Maceo when he gets some minutes, I think he's as good or better than Jeff, Ike, and arguably Murph (except for the jumper) as far as what he can do for us right now in limited time.

    He's not a starter but would be great in 12-15 min/game off the bench. Energy and athleticism, shotblocking, and good fundamentals-including FTs. Not much offense but he always plays hard and may be the best big we've got at executing the PnR.

    Barring some sustained improvement from Ike, I'd opt for a four man post rotation of JO, Murph, Jeff, and Maceo. Diogu has his moments but he doesn't look anywhere near ready yet and we've already got the dreaded logjam pretty much across the entire frontline. Shawne Williams is kind of in the same boat.

    Guess this begs the question: With 30 games left do we play the best players at the moment in hopes of making push or do we try to keep getting the youngsters minutes? Can we realistically do both? Or is there a deadline deal on the horizon that alleviates some congestion inside? This last one I doubt is the case.

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    Now we have a dilema.

    Center- Foster and Murphy

    Forward- O'neal and Maceo/Ike/Shawne?

    Now Which is Which?

    But I agree Maceo should be given lots of minutes.

    Marquis starting to be an important part of this team.

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    Can somebody give me a run-down on how Bogut played? How did he go defending in the post, and did the Bucks get him the ball at all or did all his shots come off boards and broken plays like they usually do?

    From the box score it looks like he had a reasonable allround game but sucked from the foul line. Fouled out in 38mins...
    Whenever Troy Murphy was guarding Bogut the Bucks got him the ball and Bogut scored rather easily. Things changed dramatically when Foster was guarding Bogut or when Baston was guarding Bogut. Murphy just isn't much of a factor guarding people.

    Bogut has turned into a nice center in the NBA. If the Bucks ever get to be a 50 win team, I could see Bogut making an allstar team or two. He looks gangly and looks as if he's going to break down physically at any moment.

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    Fun game! I wish we scored 136 every night!

    I thought a lot of guys played well:

    Maceo looked really good-he seems like a true pro and that dunk was very nice.
    JO came with his A game and punished the Bucks for most of the night.
    Danny also seems to be gaining confidence every game. He just seems more aggressive and sure of himself.
    Dunleavey played really well. When he is aggressive, he can be a really solid contributor.
    Murphy seemed to be getting his game together toward the end. He's seemed a little passive up to this point-I hope he continues to assert himself. It seemed like he and JO were starting to play off of each other better.
    Marquis is a special player. How many times do you watch him make a basket and think, "How did he get THAT to go?" He's a difference-maker for us.

    Don't care that the Bucks took us to 2 OT's. 29-24 is alright with me.

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    The only clutch shot JO should have is one going to the basket. For bigs it is too easy to double them and force a bad shot or turnover when they try to maneuver for a jump shot.
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    Assign a teacher to him and get to working some one on one sessions....
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    Bingo. Find out his primary learning modalities and teach him based on that. Also, simply dedicating extra time with him to just run through the plays on top of what everyone else goes through would help.

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