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  • I Hope You All Like This Team...

    A significant number of big-name players have been grist for the rumor mill but with the NBA Trade Deadline approaching Thursday, the Pacers don't expect to make another major change.

    New Jersey's Vince Carter and Jason Kidd, Memphis' Pau Gasol, Sacramento's Ron Artest and Mike Bibby, Seattle's Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen and Minnesota's Kevin Garnett all have been mentioned in reports of trade possibilities.



    Having already pulled off an eight-player trade with Golden State that changed the face of the Pacers in January, Walsh is understandably hesitant to pursue another substantial deal.


    "Our feeling is if something would really help us we'll do it but we don't feel a pressure to go out there and make a trade because we kind of want to see how this team develops with the players we got in the Golden State trade," Walsh said. "And then in the summer, you'll be in a better position to take a look at everything and say, 'What do we need now?'


    "I don't think we've seen enough of all the players that are now on the team, including guys we had last year. Where that leaves us as a team, we have to let it percolate a little bit."


    Coach Rick Carlisle also downplayed the likelihood of a deal.



    "If there's something that would improve our team I'm sure Larry (Bird) and Donnie would consider it," Carlisle said. "We're always looking to get better just like everybody else in the league. Having said that, the likelihood of something happening usually is on the low-percentage side at this point. But you never know. We'll see."


    Walsh said there is interest in smaller deals he described as "things around the core of the team that could help us" but isn't sure they'll get done this week.


    "We're listening to everybody," Walsh said. "We don't really know what our team is right now. We're starting to get an idea of it but it takes time to take a look and see how everything fits together to make a judgment as to where we go from here."


    Walsh said he has been surprised by the number of significant players being discussed as trade possibilities, particularly because it is generally more difficult to pull off a major deal during the season because of the lack of roster flexibility and salary-cap limitations.


    "I'm always surprised if a big-name player – other than a guy in the last year of his contract – is traded in the middle of the year because you're kind of confined," Walsh said. "But there are times when you hear the right thing. Can you trade those big-salaried players now? There may be a chance but I don't know that you'll have as many options as you'll have later on."



    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/trade...ne_070220.html

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    Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

    Originally posted by DonnieDoNothing
    "Our feeling is if something would really help us we'll do it but we don't feel a pressure to go out there and make a trade because we kind of want to see how this team develops with the players we got in the Golden State trade," Walsh said. "And then in the summer, you'll be in a better position to take a look at everything and say, 'What do we need now?'
    Well there goes this season.

    I knew this would happen. KNEW IT.
    This space for rent.

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      Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
      Well there goes this season.

      I knew this would happen. KNEW IT.
      I think we all did, didn't we? You know what, though. so what.

      If I'm Donnie, I play Tinman as much as possible, in the old showcase scenario, then set something up for draft night. That would be his way.
      Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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        Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

        I see two options for Tinsley the rest of this season:

        He plays up to or closely up to potential and cements his position, in the off-season we go looking for a defensive 2 or he doesn't live up to his potential/gets into legal trouble and he is out at draftday/night.

        I have a feeling reading in between lines that he bar is set rather high for this team and no, I don't think they will "drop" JO, but a few more players will be moved if they do not make a reasonable run in the playoffs.

        Read the list again and tell me who they have projected above the Pacers......

        Right, that is what they expect, anything less and the flood doors are wide open, reach that and we will tweak only.

        Either way I see LB moving on after this season, to much DW to little LB on frontline at the moment, it should be the other way around if DW is retiring.


        All in all interesting season remainder
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

          Did anyone actually think there was a deal out there to make this team better? This team will do ok and finish 5th or possibly 4th. They have played much better since the trade and once they are comfortable with each other they will only get better.

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            Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

            Donnie Do Nothing baby thats what it is. Every year a player comes on the market that can put us up in the elite group of teams buts hey its Donnie Walsh baby and we are happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the first round. WTF Does he think is going to happen with this team, they are going to go to the finals? They just lost 3 straight games at home to non playoff teams but you want to see what they can do.

            Fire Bird and Walsh.

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            • #7
              Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

              Barring a major trade bringing talent from the West to the East, the Pistons are the only team in the East that is markedly better than the Pacers. There are significant question marks with every other team, as there are with the Pacers.

              All this is to say that, even without a trade, the Pacers are not a certain first round out in the playoffs this year. While I'm not a Tinsley fan, I don't see any PG's who are both obtainable and a significant improvement. I look forward to seeing how this roster will fare for the rest of the year.

              Here's the bottom line: Are you happier with this roster than with the roster at the end of last season?

              I am.
              "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

              - Salman Rushdie

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              • #8
                Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                Donnie Do Nothing baby thats what it is. Every year a player comes on the market that can put us up in the elite group of teams buts hey its Donnie Walsh baby and we are happy with just making the playoffs and losing in the first round.
                You're referring to Iverson, I'm assuming?
                "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                - Salman Rushdie

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                  Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                  Originally posted by Black Sox View Post
                  Did anyone actually think there was a deal out there to make this team better? This team will do ok and finish 5th or possibly 4th. They have played much better since the trade and once they are comfortable with each other they will only get better.
                  I agree. I don't know why people are so ready to tank on this team. They've been together a couple of weeks. I don't think you can fairly evaluate them until we get towards the playoffs. They GS guys are just now getting their shooting strokes back. That'd why I like Donnie. He doesn't trade just for the sake of trade. I like the team (Jamaal included unless we can get Bibby ), and I think standing pat is the best basketball decision. Lateral moves can serve to just bring you the same crappy meal on a different plate. Actually, it would make more sense to wait until the offseason when these trade restrictions fall off of some of these players, and you have more pieces to consider in a deal.

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                  • #10
                    Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                    I wasn't happy with losing those few games at home just like anyone else was but it was without quis if we can stay healthy I like our chances heck we might even end up surprising a few people. The more I think about it the decision to stand pat was probably a good decision for now, if the team ends up sucking and vastly underperforming to the tune of 7th or 8th seed. THEN we'll probably be making moves, if STILL nothing happens then I would be calling for some firings cause then it just becomes apparent that this team has no future and still no direction. I understand Dat Dude's frustration, the point is to WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP if that's not the ultimate objective than why I even play the games? People are talking like our ultimate goal should be 4th or 3rd seed and 2nd round before we get bumped out...and that's sad.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                      it is difficult because ultimately we need bigger and better parts, its just a consideration of when those parts would be obtained (trade deadline or offseason). i think in the playoffs, as it stands right now, you have to give the pacers a 50/50 shot against everyone (including detroit...they didn't beat us by a significant amount really, we clawed back into that one DESPITE their big leads and no Quis). and yes im happier with this team right now than i was at the end of last season. but i still believe we're two or three decent sized parts away from being a legitimate championship contender. so whatever happens, i'm not going to be disappointed because there is value in both directions.
                      This is the darkest timeline.

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                      • #12
                        Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                        Seriously what do you people expect to get? Danny is one of the best GM's in the leauge. We have one of the toughest markets and yet he has put a playoff team on the floor for how many years now?

                        We do not get elite players in Free Agency because no one that makes more than a 5 million a year wants to deal with the weather when they can get that money where its nicer and more of a town to live in.

                        Trades are hard because frankly all the people you all want and the ones we could get are not a improvement to our team. We are lucky right now to have the team we do. Year after year danny finds a way to take almost stars and almost good players that alot of people do not want and win with them.

                        I agree when you see a big name come on the market we all want to go for them. But anytime a great player comes ont he market so does a BIG price tag. We cannot get a KIDD or IVERSON type player for granger tinsley and harrison. Im sorry asking price would be minimum JO. Why would be blow up a winning team that is back on the right track for a guard and lose our post game. Lets shoot ourself from winning to the lottery.

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                        • #13
                          Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                          Originally posted by mellifluous View Post
                          You're referring to Iverson, I'm assuming?
                          Iverson,Rasheed,T-Mac,Vince. Probably a few other people I forgot about.

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                            Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                            Originally posted by justinDOHMAN View Post
                            Seriously what do you people expect to get? Danny is one of the best GM's in the leauge. We have one of the toughest markets and yet he has put a playoff team on the floor for how many years now?

                            We do not get elite players in Free Agency because no one that makes more than a 5 million a year wants to deal with the weather when they can get that money where its nicer and more of a town to live in.

                            Trades are hard because frankly all the people you all want and the ones we could get are not a improvement to our team. We are lucky right now to have the team we do. Year after year danny finds a way to take almost stars and almost good players that alot of people do not want and win with them.

                            I agree when you see a big name come on the market we all want to go for them. But anytime a great player comes ont he market so does a BIG price tag. We cannot get a KIDD or IVERSON type player for granger tinsley and harrison. Im sorry asking price would be minimum JO. Why would be blow up a winning team that is back on the right track for a guard and lose our post game. Lets shoot ourself from winning to the lottery.
                            I was unaware granger also was and has been our GM all these years, brilliant move to draft himself.

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                            • #15
                              Re: I Hope You All Like This Team...

                              Originally posted by justinDOHMAN View Post
                              Seriously what do you people expect to get? Danny is one of the best GM's in the leauge. We have one of the toughest markets and yet he has put a playoff team on the floor for how many years now?
                              I don't know the answer to that... what team is Danny the GM for?

                              But anytime a great player comes ont he market so does a BIG price tag. We cannot get a KIDD or IVERSON type player for granger tinsley and harrison. Im sorry asking price would be minimum JO.
                              Not even close. Iverson's one of the top scorers in his generation, and he was traded for Andre Miller, Joe Smith and two picks.
                              This space for rent.

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