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Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

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  • #16
    Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

    WoW! Major street cred' with the getting kicked out of a girls highschool game and Rhodes DUI screams' thug.

    Either of them barely make news, it's like kindergartners arguing over pencils compared to what some of the NBA - NFL players do. If it would of been Jackson he would of pulled out a GATT and started shooting in the air, even during a girls highschool game.

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    • #17
      Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

      Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
      WoW! Major street cred' with the getting kicked out of a girls highschool game and Rhodes DUI screams' thug.

      Either of them barely make news, it's like kindergartners arguing over pencils compared to what some of the NBA - NFL players do. If it would of been Jackson he would of pulled out a GATT and started shooting in the air, even during a girls highschool game.
      DUI is a very serious offense (especially when you are speeding). I don't know how anyone can say a life-threatening act is like "kindergartners arguing over pencils". I vehemently disagree with anyone who says DUI is minor or acceptable behavior. Not to pick on you in particular.

      I guess the lack of a history allows us to be soft with Rhodes.

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      • #18
        Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

        Originally posted by Bball View Post
        Ahhhh... I think I see your point. You're saying other teams in the NBA have ON the court and OFF the court problems no differently than our beloved Pacers!

        Well here's the difference- I don't give a flying **** about those other teams. I don't care if they open each game with a sacrifice, hold an orgy at halftime, and fight more than any 2 hockey teams. They aren't my teams. I want my teams to be held to, and uphold, a higher standard than simply raising to the lowest common denominator.

        Clear enough for you?

        -Bball
        Yes. You like to complain about things that are the same for everyone. You complain at King's Island about the ride lines. When someone says "that's just the way it is at theme parks, Disney's no different" you come back with "I don't care about Disney, I'M HERE AT KING'S ISLAND".

        You buy a beer at the bar and are outraged to be charged $4. "That's what they charge at most bars around here" the bartender says. "I don't care about OTHER BARS, I'm AT THIS ONE."


        You're ranting about something that is normal, and by industry standards actually somewhat tame. Even more to the point you are complaining about current Pacers and my point is that the choices out there aren't any better.

        In fact your response here says one thing loud and clear to me - you need to find some other entertainment outlet because the NBA product isn't going to be for you anytime soon.

        I thought you were just mad because you thought the Pacers had unique issues. Turns out your just mad about the NBA culture in total and don't like the product, even if other players are brought in.

        That's fine, but please stop blaming the Pacers and their roster as the core of the issue because they most certainly aren't central to it at all. Guys like AI were out-thugging Tinsley and Jackson years ago.

        Reggie Miller was involed with both a strip club criminal incident and a bar brawl (in which Barkley threw the guy threw a window). You know, back in the good old days.


        Either of them barely make news
        Rhodes was THE story in Indy that night and was reported on nationally (I suspect due to being pushed up the food chain by locals).

        Read again and see that I agree about the content. It's blah caliber. I'm also not impressed with much that I've heard about 8 Seconds (so far), or even anything from Rio other than shooting the gun off.

        I was just knocking down the posters that were leveraging the Colts against the Pacers. Goldfoot, I and several others pointed out the flaws with that thinking BEFORE Rhodes issue.


        I'm just tired of this new fad of high-horse moralizing about things that aren't all that abnormal or outrageous. Drinking, strip clubs, fights, oh my. It seems less geared toward rational solutions to make the community better and more geared toward grandstanding and posturing.

        Has anyone been outdoors in the 20 something scene in the last 10 years? Sheesh. I have friends that were in drunken strip club fights worse than the Pacers. Didn't make the news AT ALL. Didn't end up in jail time either.

        As has been said, strip clubs are in business in Indy and aren't living off of the Pacers as their main income. Bars have bouncers for a reason, and it isn't to haul cases of beer.

        My issue is that the Pacers/Colts turn a mirror back on the citizens and they get outraged by it.

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        • #19
          Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

          You need to step back and cool down, Seth. You're taking the Sjax trade a little too hard. You've been on a rant defending mostly the indefensible ever since that moment.

          -Bball
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          • #20
            Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

            Naptown - I'm with bball on this one. I don't give a rats a55 about what problems the other teams have - I don't want my team along for that ride. Respect and class were words closely associated with the Pacers for years. It's not that way now and there are a few players responsible. Freaking Tinsley and Quis apparently are incapable of learning from past mistakes.

            The Colts represent the city the way the Pacer use to.

            Having said that, you just knew it was only a matter of time before a player named Dallas would get himself in some kind of Wild West trouble like this. I just couldn't find out how many shots he fired before cheerleader Samantha Adams tried to run him down with her car.
            The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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            • #21
              Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

              Adam - I agree with what you have to say. There are other aspects I've heard, such as helmets, the amount of players on the team and how far fans sit from the action which all might contribute to being more connected to NBA players as INDIVIDUALS.


              I won't deny that there is a culture of thug in the world today. I will strongly disagree that either rap or the NBA created it. Both might feed into it or feed out of it, but the connection is not cause/effect and thug-culture is going strong outside of either entertainment field.

              It's exposure to the public eye via those outlets should generate a desire to deal with it on a global scope (figuratively) rather than to try to make it go away by "fixing" the NBA.

              There are a lot of companies that trade on the ideal of ghetto escape via sports and music and help foster that association. The execs behind those decisions are causing a lot more social problems than some NBA players are.

              Oddly I don't see a lot of splashy news stories covering how those people are being dealt with, and I sure as heck don't see a lot of people complaining about them as bad citizens.

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              • #22
                Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                I guess Don Henley had it right.

                I make my living off the evening news
                Just give me something-something I can use
                People love it when you lose,
                They love dirty laundry

                Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
                I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
                Come and whisper in my ear
                Give us dirty laundry

                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down
                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down
                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down
                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em all around

                We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
                Comes on at five
                She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
                In her eye
                Its interesting when people die-
                Give us dirty laundry

                Can we film the operation?
                Is the head dead yet?
                You know, the boys in the newsroom got a
                Running bet
                Get the widow on the set!
                We need dirty laundry

                You dont really need to find out whats going on
                You dont really want to know just how far its gone
                Just leave well enough alone
                Eat your dirty laundry

                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down
                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down

                Kick em when theyre up
                Kick em when theyre down
                Kick em when theyre stiff
                Kick em all around

                Dirty little secrets
                Dirty little lies
                We got our dirty little fingers in everybodys pie
                We love to cut you down to size
                We love dirty laundry

                We can do the innuendo
                We can dance and sing
                When its said and done we havent told you a thing
                We all know that crap is king
                Give us dirty laundry!
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                • #23
                  Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                  ABA, he just gave examples of how the Nineties Pacers had their fair share of issues too (Detlef's punch, Reggie's bar thing) and how those things are not big deals but because these three things happened relatively close together, they get blown out of proportion.

                  I'm with Naptown on this one guys.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                    Never thought I'd see a Don Henley reference...bravo sir!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                      Colts = class and no problems, Pacers = problem children


                      Um, yeah.
                      DUI + 26 mph over the limit for Rhodes
                      http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...RTS03/70220020


                      And Dallas Clark got himself kicked out of a GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL basketball game just to spice things up.
                      http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb...00413/-1/ENT06



                      Wow, it's so tough rooting for those Colts thugs. Personally I won't return to the dome till they cut both of these bad seeds. At least when Jack or Tins argued with a basketball ref they were actually playing...and it wasn't girls high school.

                      I hope Irsay does the right thing and cleans house. These 2 and Mike Doss all must go, I've had enough of the outrageous, thuggish behavior. I would rather the Colts play the "right way" than win SuperBowls at any cost.


                      (end of bitter sarcasm)

                      Seriously, there are some voices here at PD that have some explaining to do right about now. Lots of big talk that at least of few of us correctly called BS on.
                      When 2 Colts players are charged with the same crime within 6 months I will apologize. Until then I will stand by my opinion that the Colts organization runs a much cleaner ship than the Pacers.

                      Another way to look at this is that an NFL team is 53+ players and an NBA team is 15 or so. There has been 1 Colt player (2 if you count Clark) in the news for bad behavior - that is 1.9% (3.7% counting Clark which isn't a chargeable offense) and 3 Pacers players (actually about 6 different players) which is 20%.

                      I think having 98.1% of your team keeping clean is much better than having only 80% staying out of trouble. To say that the Colts are as bad as the Pacers is laughable.
                      "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
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                      • #26
                        Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        You need to step back and cool down, Seth. You're taking the Sjax trade a little too hard. You've been on a rant defending mostly the indefensible ever since that moment.

                        -Bball
                        I'm not even talking about Jackson at this point. I'm talking about knee-jerk childish reactions to the "outrageous" behavior of the Pacers which is bland by most standards.

                        I also forgot to note that you were quick to say "I don't care what other teams do..." even though I noted the Detlef fight, along with Dale and Tony being in several scraps.

                        Did you ever say "Reggie doesn't represent my city" or "what a punk" after he bowed after his would-be game winner, or after the Gold Club story broke, or after he and Jordan got in a fight, or when he every trip down the court yapping with Spike Lee between plays ....

                        I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect the answer is no. So Reggie at a strip club late at night, one that apparently delved into prostitution level interaction, that was okay. But after the Rio I have to hear "and what were they even doing at a strip club" or "what were they doing out that late during camp".

                        You know, because Reggie was never seen out at bars during the season, even the night before a game.


                        When did Dale throttling an opposing player go from "fighting for his team" to "thugging out" when it's someone like Jack popping some fan that thought a point blank beer in the face was a way to calm things down.

                        If that beer was in Reggie's face and Dale had drilled the guy, Pacers fans would have supported Dale down the line.


                        This view of the team has taken on a life of it's own, the history books on previous PACER PLAYERS has been wiped clean (the Colts too), and now if Tins gets a parking ticket it will be worth a mention as the 11 pm leader.


                        You guys simply aren't holding the old Pacers to the same standards as the Jack/Tins/JO versions. Let alone to the NBA standards.



                        Now, if a video surfaces or some realible witnesses (not the manager's buddies) can verify that Tins ruthlessly attacked this guy in an unprovoked manner (meaning bumped into only, etc) to the point that part of his ear was torn off, then I will in fact be upset with Tinsley as an Indy citizen and would like to see him removed from the team ASAP.

                        Of course he will be convicted if that is the case and the rest will take care of itself I would think.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          Did you ever say "Reggie doesn't represent my city" or "what a punk" after he bowed after his would-be game winner, or after the Gold Club story broke, or after he and Jordan got in a fight, or when he every trip down the court yapping with Spike Lee between plays ....

                          I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect the answer is no.
                          Sorry Seth but yes you are wrong. In the old days before PD and back when the Star WAS the site to be I do remember Bball not liking the choke signs, crotch grabbing, the Jackson jiggle and other assorted look cockey gestures. Actually the majority was not happy at all with the boorish behavior.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                            Why are so many Pacers fans jealous of the Colts?

                            The Pacers had their window, and they didn't get it done.

                            The Colts had their window, and they did get it done.

                            The Colts winning the championship is nothing but good news for Indy residents.

                            Yeesh.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                              Multiple choice quiz time. Put your books away, kiddies:

                              Which are the two the least worrisome incidents?


                              a. Inciting a riot during a sporting event and getting into fisticuffs with fans
                              b. Beating a cripple and firing a handgun in the air
                              c. Theatening to kill someone and breaking his jaw/severing his earlobe
                              d. Driving 26 miles over the speed limit on the interstate after having 2-3 beers
                              e. Getting kicked out of a high school girls' basketball game for arguing with a referee

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                              • #30
                                Re: Okay, I'm ready to hear some people say "we were wrong about the Colts"

                                It's more than 2-3 beers, especially considering his weight.

                                Unless you think he drank them in 20mins or less.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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