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  • #16
    Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

    Ridnour is dealt for a reason, pls leave him where he is
    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

    If you've done 6 impossible things today?
    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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    • #17
      Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

      Luke Ridnour may be dealt, but I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon to get him. If you look below, out of these three PGs, TINS being our current PG, Bibby is the guy we want. He is solid, he is averaging the same numbers this year as his career numbers. I remember someone saying he was old in another post, 28 isn't old and this guy has a ton of playoff experience, and that is a huge plus. I won't go on anymore, I just can't stand us talking about Ridnour, when Bibby is the man we should be after and maybe we are. I would stick with TINS if we had a choice between RID and TINS. All of this is probably just chatter and we probably won't make any deals.

      THIS SEASONS STATS

      #11 Jamaal Tinsley | AGE 28| PG
      PPG 13.3 | APG 6.7 | SPG 1.6

      #8 Luke Ridnour | AGE 26| PG
      PPG 12.5 | APG 5.2 | SPG 1.2

      #10 Mike Bibby | AGE 28| PG
      PPG 16.7 | APG 5.3 | SPG 1.1


      Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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      • #18
        Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

        I'd rather just keep Tinsley.

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        • #19
          Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

          I go for Ridnour easily.
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          • #20
            Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

            bibby has a massive contract, one that it seems miami is hesitating to take on. i don't know why we pay a guy more just to score 3 more pts a game ... because i'm not convinced that bibby is that much better than tinsley - he could be, but i'm not ready to take on his salary yet. he's not the superstar JO needs on the team. and i don't think luke is the guy to put us over the top either. i'd rather keep tinsley.
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            • #21
              Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

              Originally posted by able View Post
              Ridnour is dealt for a reason, pls leave him where he is


              What is the reason?
              And I won't be here to see the day
              It all dries up and blows away
              I'd hang around just to see
              But they never had much use for me
              In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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              • #22
                Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                Hey if I knew why they are trading him I could be more specific, but seeing that they are left with Watson only, there must be more going on, considering they only have Ridnour and Watson to run the point.

                Now on top of that, Tinsley's EFF is simply better then Ridnour's and let's not bring Watson in on it.

                I keep failing to see the urgency to get rid of a good pointguard in exchange for getting worse just so the fantasy teams some of the posters have in mind can be tried, we are better of with what we have.

                Bibby has 3 more years in the legue then Tins, his EFF is 0.4 better but his salary is twice what Tins makes, if you think it is worth it, by all means, I think it isn't even close.

                Maybe it is time we got behind our team, stopped dreaming of Reggie and Mark coming back or re-incarnating in the current players, stopped dreaming of all those rooks and sophs turning in to the next KB, KG and SO'N and appreciate the good player(s) we have.
                So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                • #23
                  Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                  Originally posted by able View Post
                  Hey if I knew why they are trading him I could be more specific, but seeing that they are left with Watson only, there must be more going on, considering they only have Ridnour and Watson to run the point.

                  Now on top of that, Tinsley's EFF is simply better then Ridnour's and let's not bring Watson in on it.

                  I keep failing to see the urgency to get rid of a good pointguard in exchange for getting worse just so the fantasy teams some of the posters have in mind can be tried, we are better of with what we have.

                  Bibby has 3 more years in the legue then Tins, his EFF is 0.4 better but his salary is twice what Tins makes, if you think it is worth it, by all means, I think it isn't even close.

                  Maybe it is time we got behind our team, stopped dreaming of Reggie and Mark coming back or re-incarnating in the current players, stopped dreaming of all those rooks and sophs turning in to the next KB, KG and SO'N and appreciate the good player(s) we have.
                  Good Points Able.

                  But do you feel like we have what it takes to win a championship now? That is where I am coming from, I want a Championship before JO is gone. I looked at what Bibby is owed and it is scary to think of taking that money on. I have just seen Bibby hit countless clutch shots, in the playoffs and regular season. I can't really remember seeing TINS do it once. That is the deference here, though all that money might be too much, I agree. I don't want Reggie and Mark to come back, the past is the past. I would love to see this team and current roster win it all, just not sure they can.
                  Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                  • #24
                    Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                    Originally posted by odeez View Post
                    Good Points Able.

                    But do you feel like we have what it takes to win a championship now? That is where I am coming from, I want a Championship before JO is gone. I looked at what Bibby is owed and it is scary to think of taking that money on. I have just seen Bibby hit countless clutch shots, in the playoffs and regular season. I can't really remember seeing TINS do it once. That is the deference here, though all that money might be too much, I agree. I don't want Reggie and Mark to come back, the past is the past. I would love to see this team and current roster win it all, just not sure they can.
                    Well for one let's give them a chance, let's support them and see what happens.

                    Who said the Colts were going to win it all this year ?
                    I am pretty sure that outside some diehard sunshiners like myself most ppl were sure the Colts had no chance whatsoever in the playoffs.

                    Basketball is different? yeah to a degree, but you know what they say, once you get into the playoffs it becomes a different beast alltogether.

                    12 games or so have the new players been here, hardly a camp situation, we need at least 15-20 more to even closely ascertain what can happen.
                    TPTB never said winning it all was the only way they kept this together, nor did JO say he would leave if it didn't happen, what they all want to see is progress, a way forward, a better team, better atmosphere, better commitment. And I believe they are seeing just that develop.
                    I think we just started our season, some 12 games ago, and we have another 30 games to go before the playoffs start.

                    Would I like "help" yes, but more at SG then anywhere else, we have a good PG, just wish the coach was better at interaction with his players, if DunDun can become less "streaky" (and why not, given a certain role) then we have a team that can beat anyone out there on any given night.

                    We do not need a shooting PG, we have a 1st and 2nd option in JO and DG and decent 3rd/4th/5th options on DunDun/Murph/Tins.

                    If ppl hit their shots, Tins no need and no want.
                    So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                    Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                      Originally posted by able View Post
                      Hey if I knew why they are trading him I could be more specific, but seeing that they are left with Watson only, there must be more going on, considering they only have Ridnour and Watson to run the point.

                      Now on top of that, Tinsley's EFF is simply better then Ridnour's and let's not bring Watson in on it.

                      I keep failing to see the urgency to get rid of a good pointguard in exchange for getting worse just so the fantasy teams some of the posters have in mind can be tried, we are better of with what we have.

                      Bibby has 3 more years in the legue then Tins, his EFF is 0.4 better but his salary is twice what Tins makes, if you think it is worth it, by all means, I think it isn't even close.

                      Maybe it is time we got behind our team, stopped dreaming of Reggie and Mark coming back or re-incarnating in the current players, stopped dreaming of all those rooks and sophs turning in to the next KB, KG and SO'N and appreciate the good player(s) we have.
                      Great post. I don't understand why people want Tinsley gone so badly. Ok, Ridnour and Bibby shoot better, but then the same people here say they would rather see the point guard run the team and set people up than shoot. Are you guys aware that Mike Bibby has made more FGA's than Jamaal Tinsley has ever ATTEMPTED? Tinsley's assist numbers are higher than Bibby's both this season and for the career. Tinsley's FGA's per game are much much lower, and their EFF is nearly the same. They're about the same when it comes to rebounding, Tinsley is better at coming up with steals and blocks.

                      I'm not saying Tinsley is a better player. I'm just saying we're not getting much in return that we don't already get from Tinsley in terms of running the team. I'm not going to get on Ridnour because he's good, but I still don't see him as being better than what we've got.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                        If we get rid of Tins I want a PG back who can defend. Rid and Bibs are just as horrible as (or maybe worse than) Tins
                        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                          I know the last couple of posters are pro Tinsley guys and that's why we only see the good parts of Tinsley being compared with the bad parts of ridnour and Bibby.

                          But let's not fool ourself, we hve a history with Tins that goes from the pouting, the sinitus, all the other little injuries and his part in the brawl slash club Rio/8 seconds.

                          So it's a fact that a big part of the fan core has had enough of Jamaal, not because he's a good PG with no consistent outside shot, but because we want another PG to run our show. And no, I'm not talking about Sarunas.

                          It's good to see some guys around here who still stick up for Tinsley just as some did for Jackson (and Artest) but if we could really land Ridnour or Bibby than it's a nobrainer to me.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                            Bibby is averaging more points, but it shooting an even worse percentage than Tinsley last I checked. Plus, he's an even worse defender than Tinsley. No thanks.

                            Ridnour may only be about a lateral move talent-wise, but I think he would fit in much better with what we're trying to do here. But offering a 2007 #1 for him is bonkers.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              Ridnour isn't the answer. He might be a nice pickup - but that is all
                              I agree. I don't get the facination with him. It's a bit like the desire to get Bibby as well. Or even with Dunleavy.

                              Don't people realize these are the West versions of Jackson, Tinsley, Croshere, etc. Guys either overpaid or wearing out their welcome for a reason.

                              You don't hear the Kings shopping Martin or the Spurs shopping Parker. There's a reason.

                              As a PG his assists run low despite good minutes and as a scorer he doesn't really attack the basket. His spot up shot is solid this year, but last year it was a wreck and up till this point it's not been consistant. I'm willing to believe he's worked on his touch and found his scoring, but that's still rather 1 dimensional.

                              On top of that he is coming out of a terrible January in which his 3 shot dropped back to 30% and where he was benched in favor of Watson, who proceded to pick up 3 more assists per game given the same minute Luke had been getting. This month his shot is back up, but everything else remains rather "blah". Tinsley's assists are just average, but they are still on par with Luke's BEST season of passing, which was last year (7.00).

                              There is a reason they want to trade him.


                              Atkins would come cheaper and fits the backup role better. And actually he has a stronger 3pt shot to boot. He comes cheaper in what you have to give to get him and what you are paying him (I believe, did he get an extension already?), but fills the exact same backup PG/3pt shooter role with similar numbers.




                              I wonder if Mavs fans were saying "I hear the Pacers are looking to move Croshere. I bet we could get him for Daniels and get rid of his dead weight."

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                              • #30
                                Re: Luke Ridnour, he is being dealt

                                I'm with Seth. If we're going after a PG in the same ballpark tradewise as Ridnour, it should be Chucky Atkins.

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