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    With the trade deadline coming up and our team playing with an ok record at the break, the question remains. Do we make a trade? Who do we want and need? Who can we see being traded from our current team? And what are our general feelings about this team and it's chances to compete for a title?
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    Absolutely.

    Star caliber backcourt player, preferably a point guard.

    Everyone is tradable for the right price.

    We cannot compete for the title with the current roster.

    Competing for the 6th seed is the team's destiny, trade or no.
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    Mission 1): Find the point guard of the future

    Mission 2): Clear cap room for the re-signing of Granger/Ike/Williams

    Mission 3): Find a way to get a pick in next year's draft

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    I don't think we make a trade.

    We have made so many changes I think that Donnie and Larry need to just give this team at least the remainder of the season and playoffs to see what needs to be done.

    Besides, hopefully there will be more opitions in the summer. Better ones.

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    We really don't need a pick due to your 2nd mission. Getting Ike was basically our draft pick for this year.

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    Who should be offered up?

    A ) One of our starters with 3 to 4 year long term overpaid contracts that every GM is clamouring for ( Tinsley, Dunleavy or Murphy )

    B ) One of the few players that other teams want that we would likely be reluctant to give up ( Granger, Foster, Marquis or Shawne ) and won't get back fair market value.

    C ) Our Franchise Player and therefore decide to rebuild

    D ) Trade with the remaining players on our roster ( Harrison, Armstrong, Baston, Rawle, McLeod or Greene ) that doesn't have enough $$$ to trade for

    The bottomline is that we may want to make a trade...but we won't be able to...simply cuz no GM would want the players that we want to give up...and those GMs that would be willing to take them on...would only want the playser that we don't want to give up.
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    We make a trade if it makes sense for our team. While I have said before that I'm fed up with some of the things about this team, I'm willing to wait until the offseason to make changes. I think this team can be very dangerous in the playoffs, and the moves we make depend on how dangerous we are.

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    We really don't need a pick due to your 2nd mission. Getting Ike was basically our draft pick for this year.
    Well this is sort of true but man I really really really hope that somehow we get a first round pick. I love discussing the draft more than anything else and it won't be as interesting if the Pacers don't have a draft pick. It only comes around once a year.

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    In my opinion we need a point guard for backup.
    Marcus Banks don't play much for the Suns (when there is Nash)...what about?
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    Trade JO and Tinsley, they are good players but we need something different for the (near) future.

    JO is playing his best ball and Tinsley is having some good stretches himself so their trade value is pretty high (ok, only JO's is). Now is the time to get the most value out of them.

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    We really don't need a pick due to your 2nd mission. Getting Ike was basically our draft pick for this year.
    I agree with that, but we need the PG of the future, as he stated. That could come either from the draft or from a trade. Either way, we need to find that guy (hello, Boston!).

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    Absolutely.

    Star caliber backcourt player, preferably a point guard.

    Everyone is tradable for the right price.

    We cannot compete for the title with the current roster.

    Competing for the 6th seed is the team's destiny, trade or no.
    Mostly agree. I could live with our current point guard if we had a top-notch shooting guard.

    With the right trade, I could see us competing for a lot more than the 6th seed.
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    Well this is sort of true but man I really really really hope that somehow we get a first round pick. I love discussing the draft more than anything else and it won't be as interesting if the Pacers don't have a draft pick. It only comes around once a year.
    refresh my memory: were you *****ing and moaning, WITH ME, when TPTB got bent over in the Al Harrington 'trade'? (by Billy Knight of all people )

    probably not as you and the rest of the forum members didn't think about the 2007 draft then

    the closer we get, the worse that move is gonna be

    especially given the abundance of talent in this year's draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by v_d_g View Post
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    refresh my memory: were you *****ing and moaning, WITH ME, when TPTB got bent over in the Al Harrington 'trade'? (by Billy Knight of all people )

    probably not as you and the rest of the forum members didn't think about the 2007 draft then

    the closer we get, the worse that move is gonna be

    especially given the abundance of talent in this year's draft
    Have you ever posted on another topic? We get it, you hate the Al Harrington trade.Do you have anything else to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by v_d_g View Post
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    refresh my memory: were you *****ing and moaning, WITH ME, when TPTB got bent over in the Al Harrington 'trade'? (by Billy Knight of all people )

    probably not as you and the rest of the forum members didn't think about the 2007 draft then

    the closer we get, the worse that move is gonna be

    especially given the abundance of talent in this year's draft
    Lol.

    The draft is one of my favorite events so yes I want my favorite team to have a draft pick.

    However the Pacers did what they had to do to keep this team competitive so i'm fine that we gave up a pick in the Harrington trade. I didn't want to but hey it had to be done, and the fact that it pretty much landed us Ike makes it all good in my book.

    Do I want a the Pacers to have a draft pick? Sure, but not because they NEED one, just to sort of keep the draft a little more entertaining.

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    Besides, hopefully there will be more opitions in the summer. Better ones.
    i keep going back and forth. typically this is against logic most teams are more willing to make trades at the deadline. and it might be easiest to get a 2007 first round pick if we trade now before teams really have time to reassess. but summer would also give us a better shot of getting what we want/need in one move rather than a few. so i'm torn.
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    Mostly agree. I could live with our current point guard if we had a top-notch shooting guard.

    With the right trade, I could see us competing for a lot more than the 6th seed.
    I don't know. Maybe. I just believe that the core of our team is not ready for prime time, regardless of trades. I think that the Rasheed trade represented fools gold that just HAPPENED to pay off for Detroit. I feel the same way about Miami's free agent signings before last season.

    The right trade can indeed create more wins, and raise our seeding. But taking a mid-season acquisition into contender status? No way.

    When we see the JO/Granger/Ike (6th man) days blossom next year, I'll be ready to talk about deeper runs.
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    I don't know. Maybe. I just believe that the core of our team is not ready for prime time, regardless of trades. I think that the Rasheed trade represented fools gold that just HAPPENED to pay off for Detroit. I feel the same way about Miami's free agent signings before last season.

    The right trade can indeed create more wins, and raise our seeding. But taking a mid-season acquisition into contender status? No way.

    When we see the JO/Granger/Ike (6th man) days blossom next year, I'll be ready to talk about deeper runs.
    I think the moves the Pacers have made move them to within 'tweak' status. I think this team could do some great things with a couple of well-placed, savvy moves. I wish we'd make a play for Mike Bibby. I stated this on the potential trade thread. He would be a player that I think would fit well, and take us up another notch. I'm not saying he's a savior for the team, but added to what we've done, we'd be alot more interesting in terms of the contender discussion. Plus the fact you can't believe they're willing to stand pat while looking at that sea of green seats at Conseco. I think this last pr nightmare has them seriously reconsidering some things. After 2 years of bad pub, they're likely to be more open to doing some things.

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    You're not alone in wanting Mike Bibby as the PG of the Indiana Pacers. We have the pieces to make something work and he's not really playing well in Sac meaning they might be thinking about a shakeup.

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    Does VDG like anything about the current franchise, also what is his feelings on trading of a draft pick has this been clarified?

    I personally feel we should only do a trade if it's a clear improvement for us, not trading for the sake of trading. Like trading Tinsley for a bag of peanuts or worse a late second round draft pick.

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    As the team currently stands, I would have to say hold off on making a trade.

    That said, IMO there are four positions/areas on this team that could use some shoring up either from a defensive standpoint or a tweak in offensive production:

    a) Small Forward. Granger is good, the best at this position the team has, but I think he's one year removed from really being a top-tier dual-action players, someone who can truly play lock-down defense while being able to maintain a high or consistent offensive output. He's coming along quite well, mind you. But he can't do it alone. That leaves the reserve slot-by-proxy: Quis, Rawle Marshall or Shawne Williams. Personally, I'd rather remove Quis from this assignment and let him focus strictly on playing from the 2-guard spot, but other than himself the Pacers really don't have a viable reserve at SF.

    b) Center. Murphy and Foster make an acceptable 1-2 punch from the 5-slot, but that's just it: It's marginally acceptable from two standpoints: 1) You get offense and rebounding from Murphy, but little defense; and, 2) you get tons of rebounding and on-the-ball defense from Foster, but no real offense at least not from the player's ability to score on his own. Again, don't get me wrong. I love me some Jeff Foster! (and I'm secure enough in my masculinity to say that! ), but this position needs to be more balanced in what both the starter and reserve player brings to the table. If mgmt could find another big body who possesses the combined skills of both Murphy and Foster even as a rookie, I'd say go for it, but it would probably mean letting Foster or Davis Harrison go. Either would be a shame to lose. In Foster, you have a loyal and hardworking player who will do whatever it takes to help his team win ball games, and in Harrison I still think he's an up-and-coming commodity in a big body that just hasn't had the right mentory for his talents to shine through.

    3) Shooting Guard. While Quis has approached the position as a "scoring" guard and is doing quite well at it, MDjr seems to have finally figured some things out. However, the big question mark I have is can RC find a way to utilize these two in such a way that the PG who's on the floor with them recognizes what he has to do in order for these players to really be effective? You see, it's not so much that MDjr is inconsistent or that Quis can't hit the deep ball, but rather they approach the game differently. It's up to the coach to recognize who has has paired on the floor w/the PG and for the PG to recognize the skill set of the player he has beside him. From there, the PG must do what is necessary to make the SG better. For Quis, that means just giving the guy the ball and letting him find the seems and make things happen. But for MDjr, it might mean more transition play, more screens, more outlet passes. He's smart enough to recognize the situation on the floor at all times. I give him credit for that; but does his PG have the same basketball IQ? Key to success here rest more w/the PG IMO than with the SG.

    4) A reserve PF. Diogu has shown flashes of having the right stuff, but at this time in his game I'm abit hesitant to say he has enough to truly fill this role. However, I do believe that given time he will make an excellent starter someday. On last Tuesday's "Rick Carlisle Show" (2/13/07), Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson both spoke of the importance of having a mentor on the team at nearly every position who could teach the younger players how to really play the game the right way. For that reason, I think JO needs to stay if for no other reason than to be that mentor to players like Diogu or Williams or Murphy or even Harrison if he's willing to learn from him.

    In summary, I really don't think a trade is necessary for this team right now. Had the Pacers/GS trade happened over the summer and things were exactly or close to as they are right now w/marginal results, I'd surely be in favor of a trade. But as things stand right now, my answer is NO. Let's see what these guys can do, how far they can take us.

    Despite the 3-game skid just prior to these 2 wins, I was very impressed with how this new group began to blend together. If you take those 3 loses and toss them aside, I'd say the team is in pretty fine shape. There's room for improvement, certainly, but I don't think they're that far off from the team clicking on all cylinders. They are close...very close.

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    I would love to make a trade.....but the best package that we can likely offer that makes any sense is Tinsley+Foster+(Harrison, Rawle, Baston, or Green ). I'm not even sure whether we would get the type of player that TPTB wants if we have to give up Foster.

    Who else do you think is available as part of any trade that we make?

    The answer is nobody that anybody would want...for one reason or another.

    As Ev_eezy alluded to......its probably best to wait till the offseason when there are more options. Like it or not...we are stuck with what we have until the offseason comes.

    NOTE - this doesn't mean that I want to give up Foster....I would prefer to keep him as a backup Big Man off the bench. It just means that he is probably the only player on the roster that TPTB would be VERY RELUCTANT to give up but could be persuaded to if they get a player that they really want.
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    I'd like to see us get a point guard. But I'm willing to wait until summer if we can get a better deal then

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    Heres a blurb from todays Star. (02/15/07)

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...702150410/1062

    Looking to get better

    The trading deadline is Feb. 22 and despite having pulled off the biggest trade of the season last month, the Pacers will still be looking to improve the roster.
    Team president Larry Bird and senior vice president David Morway will be in Las Vegas with other general managers during the All-Star Weekend. It will be the start of what could be a busy next week for teams around the league.
    "We'll look for trades. I kind of know what we need, but I don't know what's out there for us to get. But, yeah, we're still looking," Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said.

    Bird said he likes what the team's four new players -- Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod -- bring, but he isn't going to hesitate in making a move to help the Pacers move up the congested Eastern Conference standings.

    "With the new guys, we'll continue to jell, but if you can get better through a trade you have to do it," Bird said.
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    Interesting what both Bird and Walsh said. I would say there's a better than 50% chance we make another trade. Especially since they think they know what is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by v_d_g View Post
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    refresh my memory: were you *****ing and moaning, WITH ME, when TPTB got bent over in the Al Harrington 'trade'? (by Billy Knight of all people )

    probably not as you and the rest of the forum members didn't think about the 2007 draft then

    the closer we get, the worse that move is gonna be

    especially given the abundance of talent in this year's draft
    This isn't the big deal you think it is. We already have a bunch of young talent to develop and it's already a problem getting them minutes.

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