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    LMAO @ the liberals in this thread, you may me want to vomit. Close it already.

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    tora tora - aren't you the guy who used to have all those porn avatars?

    Is your myspace page still filled to the teeth with sex images?

    I'm not saying any of that is wrong, I'm just saying that your a giant ****ing hypocrite if you want to advertise your sexual freedoms but want to infringe on the freedoms of others.
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    tora tora - aren't you the guy who used to have all those porn avatars?

    Is your myspace page still filled to the teeth with sex images?

    I'm not saying any of that is wrong, I'm just saying that your a giant ****ing hypocrite if you want to advertise your sexual freedoms but want to infringe on the freedoms of others.
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    i once heard a Christian teacher give his idea of the "unforgivable sin". he felt that "the blasphemy of the holy spirit" was when a person is struggling with sin in his/her life (all of us), and that person can feel God working on their heart and wanting them to change, but that person continually blows off those feelings of guilt knowing that they need to change. and thats where sin becomes unforgivable, when God/His Holy Spirit (however you want to put it) is pushed away continually. kinda like God was doing His part but that person wouldn't meet Him halfway, so to speak. i can't explain it as well as the teacher did.
    Yes - though in most Christian sects it's never too late. You can repent at just about any point and if it's heartfelt and sincere, God will forgive.

    Brings us back to Purgatory. The Catholic Church had developed a Doctrine of repentance AND penance - if you died repentant but not penitent (sp?) you went to Purgatory to perform penance.

    However, going back to UB's "if you believe, you have a free pass" most of Christianity believes that in order to be valid you must make at least some effort to live your life according to Christ's teachings. Now there's a huge variance in just what that means but just believing isn't enough - you have to apply it, otherwise it's at least as great of an affront to God as if you were an unbeliever. You can't profess your faith and spend your spare time butchering hitchhikers. That's not trying to live your life through Christ and his teachings.

    Unfortunately, while butchering hitchhikers is an extreme example, people being a Christian only on Sunday isn't. If I actually believed in the religion, I'd think that a lot of people might be in for a big surprise on their Day of Judgement. (Of course if I actually believed in the religion that last statement would also be blasphemous in presuming to know the mind of God)
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    If I actually believed in the religion, I'd think that a lot of people might be in for a big surprise on their Day of Judgement. (Of course if I actually believed in the religion that last statement would also be blasphemous in presuming to know the mind of God)
    i don't think that's blasphemous, i think we all are gonna be suprised how things play out.

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    However, going back to UB's "if you believe, you have a free pass" most of Christianity believes that in order to be valid you must make at least some effort to live your life according to Christ's teachings. Now there's a huge variance in just what that means but just believing isn't enough - you have to apply it, otherwise it's at least as great of an affront to God as if you were an unbeliever. You can't profess your faith and spend your spare time butchering hitchhikers. That's not trying to live your life through Christ and his teachings.

    Unfortunately, while butchering hitchhikers is an extreme example, people being a Christian only on Sunday isn't. If I actually believed in the religion, I'd think that a lot of people might be in for a big surprise on their Day of Judgement. (Of course if I actually believed in the religion that last statement would also be blasphemous in presuming to know the mind of God)

    The point is - no amount of good, no amount of good works will get you to heaven. You cannot get to heaven on your own. I believe with all my heart that once you've accepted him, you do have a free pass. But God knows what is in your heart and if you use the "free pass" as just a token thing and somehting that allows you to live your life anyway you want - that isn't going to do it.

    The point is after you accept Jesus - sure you are guaranteed heaven, but just as important - God changes you from the inside out. You are not the same person as before. You want to do good. But life is still life and nothing is guaranteed while on this earth. You still will sin, still have problems in your life and in no way are you better than anyone else. And yes being a christian only on Sunday is something I think all believers struggle with - and often fail at. But if you are at least struggling with it and trying to live everyday as if it were "Sunday" - that something.

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    The point is - no amount of good, no amount of good works will get you to heaven. You cannot get to heaven on your own. I believe with all my heart that once you've accepted him, you do have a free pass. But God knows what is in your heart and if you use the "free pass" as just a token thing and somehting that allows you to live your life anyway you want - that isn't going to do it.

    The point is after you accept Jesus - sure you are guaranteed heaven, but just as important - God changes you from the inside out. You are not the same person as before. You want to do good. But life is still life and nothing is guaranteed while on this earth. You still will sin, still have problems in your life and in no way are you better than anyone else. And yes being a christian only on Sunday is something I think all believers struggle with - and often fail at. But if you are at least struggling with it and trying to live everyday as if it were "Sunday" - that something.
    The catch is,once you have truely accepted Him you will do everything in your power to live as He taught or you won't have truely accepted Him. I cannot see God handing out Get Out of Hell Free cards. But my struggle is with the idea that God might not be forgiving of all sin, that He really could turn his back and let some soul spend eternity in "Hell".

    The Catholic Church also teaches this about Confession/repentence/penitence: Confession of sin along with pentitent acts are invalid and indeed a great sin themselves if the person confessing doesn't intend to change their ways. Let's say an adulterer goes in and confesses his sin. He is (supposedly) absolved of the sin and does his penitence. However, if he originally had no intention of giving up his adultorous affair and continues in his sin he has LIED to God, an even greater sin. Therefore neither the adulterous sin nor the lie is forgiven.
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    This is great! Better theological discourse right here than in the sermon I heard today.

    Geezer, I agree with you!
    Uncle Buck, I agree with you, too!

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    If I actually believed in the religion, I'd think that a lot of people might be in for a big surprise on their Day of Judgement.
    Absolutely. Christians believe this too, and Jesus told mankind to expect it.

    He said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers.'"
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    Absolutely. Christians believe this too, and Jesus told mankind to expect it.

    He said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers.'"
    I've heard sermons about that very verse. As I recall I think this refers to some of the religious leaders at the time who thought that they could get to heaven on their own merits.

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    "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers.'"

    The scriptures above, Matthew 7:22,23, are part of Jesus' famous, 'Sermon on the Mount,' which is recorded in Matthew chapters 5 through 7, and Luke chapter 6:20-49.

    Read the above quoted scriptures again. They are talking about, prophesying, driving out demons and performing miracles in Jesus name. The religious leaders of Jesus time were against him, they didn't do things in his name. They are the ones that actually caused Jesus death.

    So who's the scriptures talking about? They're talking about people that do things in Jesus name that are not obeying him and his father. That would include people from Jesus time all the way down to our time. In other words people that profess to be Christians.

    Lumber Man said, 'I think a lot of people will be surprised how things play out.'

    I agree with him. All you have to do is read the bible and compare what it says to what so called Christians are doing.

    For instance Jesus said of the Pharisees, a prominent religious sect of Judaism which had built up a system of worship and believed that they had God's approval. 'You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.''' Matthew 15:7-9.

    That's not to say that there's not sincere people in all religions. However, the bible indicates that's not enough. Above, Jesus said of sincere people, 'I never knew you,' even though they believed they were doing what was right.

    So sincerity alone would not be approved by God either. Once Jesus told his followers: 'The hour is coming when everyone that kills you will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God.' (John 16:2)

    Such killers of Christians might believe that they were thereby serving God, but clearly they were not.

    What's it all mean? It means everyone that thinks they are doing God's will better check their hole card. The bible says it's not enough to just think you are.

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    "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evil doers.'"

    The scriptures above, Matthew 7:22,23, are part of Jesus' famous, 'Sermon on the Mount,' which is recorded in Matthew chapters 5 through 7, and Luke chapter 6:20-49.

    Read the above quoted scriptures again. They are talking about, prophesying, driving out demons and performing miracles in Jesus name. The religious leaders of Jesus time were against him, they didn't do things in his name. They are the ones that actually caused Jesus death.

    So who's the scriptures talking about? They're talking about people that do things in Jesus name that are not obeying him and his father. That would include people from Jesus time all the way down to our time. In other words people that profess to be Christians.

    Lumber Man said, 'I think a lot of people will be surprised how things play out.'

    I agree with him. All you have to do is read the bible and compare what it says to what so called Christians are doing.

    For instance Jesus said of the Pharisees, a prominent religious sect of Judaism which had built up a system of worship and believed that they had God's approval. 'You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.''' Matthew 15:7-9.

    That's not to say that there's not sincere people in all religions. However, the bible indicates that's not enough. Above, Jesus said of sincere people, 'I never knew you,' even though they believed they were doing what was right.

    So sincerity alone would not be approved by God either. Once Jesus told his followers: 'The hour is coming when everyone that kills you will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God.' (John 16:2)

    Such killers of Christians might believe that they were thereby serving God, but clearly they were not.

    What's it all mean? It means everyone that thinks they are doing God's will better check their hole card. The bible says it's not enough to just think you are.
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    Damn. This whole time Rimfire was articulating the Christian faith so well, I thought he believed it.

    Just like we all think he's a Pacer fan our first few weeks on the board.

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    Damn. This whole time Rimfire was articulating the Christian faith so well, I thought he believed it.

    Just like we all think he's a Pacer fan our first few weeks on the board.

    That's why I changed my username. Was getting yelled at by folks: And you call yourself a Pacers fan??? Uh, no actually.

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    I haven't been following this thread, so if this has been posted I apologize. But I thought it was funny.

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    I haven't been following this thread, so if this has been posted I apologize. But I thought it was funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8
    Thanks so much Anthem, that's a nice change of pace when it comes to this topic.

    That's the funniest damn thing I've seen in weeks.
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    That's why I changed my username. Was getting yelled at by folks: And you call yourself a Pacers fan??? Uh, no actually.

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