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  • #76
    Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

    Originally posted by bnd45 View Post
    Finally, Daniels' injury is really hurting this team. We have a lot of stand still players and desperately need someone besides Tinsley to be our slasher. Until he returns I still think RC should switch Armstrong and Tinsley to shake things up. The 1st unit works best when there is ball movement and that is one of the things Armstrong does better than Tinsley. If Jamaal responded right he could be a good scorer off the bench.
    I think that Marquis return will make a difference....but given the way that we have been playing AT HOME ( no less ) with the lack of defense over the last 3 games....I am not optimistic about how good we are going to do.

    One more thing that hasn't been brought up.....JONeal was 6-15 from the field and only had 4 rebounds while scoring 16 points....very un-JONeal-like. I'm guessing that his knee is still bothering him....or worse......the Nuggets were playing solid defense on him.

    I mentioned this before in Bruno's QOD thread....but a PG like Tinsley has to know when to be a "Shoot first Pass second PG" and when to be a "Pass first Score second PG".....when he is able to recognize this....he can help us out alot. Tonight....I have no clue where his brain went. I really don't know what possesses him to continually shoot if he is shooting like cr@p. I could be wrong....but I don't think he made a single basket until halfway through the 3rd QTR. He's a poor 3pt shooter....yet he takes 4 3pt Attempts . If TPTB are truly showcasing Tinsley.....someone should probably have figured out that its not a good idea to continually showcase how bad a shooter he is.

    He missed 7 straight FGA....and yet...he continues to put the pedal to the metal and continues to shoot the ball. That's when the BOOS started coming for Tinsley.....a sign of things to come.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    • #77
      Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      I was at the game. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring this up. It looked ugly in person. Really ugly. He was out for blood once something set him off from "I'm angry" to "You die now!".
      Exactly. It looked like he was ready to take a swing at the ref if Dun hadn't physically picked him up and carried him away. (Not joking he had to be carried away from the ref and he was still fighting it.)


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      • #78
        Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        I was at the game. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring this up. It looked ugly in person. Really ugly. He was out for blood once something set him off from "I'm angry" to "You die now!".
        Could someone give me an idea about what set him off?

        Its still unclear to me what on Earth happened......
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • #79
          Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

          Originally posted by indy0731 View Post
          Exactly. It looked like he was ready to take a swing at the ref if Dun hadn't physically picked him up and carried him away. (Not joking he had to be carried away from the ref and he was still fighting it.)
          Wow....I don't know if I should laugh or cry. I really hope that someone puts this up on YouTube.....
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • #80
            Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            Could someone give me an idea about what set him off?

            Its still unclear to me what on Earth happened......
            That's what I was trying to figure out talking with Peck and Roaming Gnome after the game. We all figured the ref must have said something that didn't sit with him, but when we caught the reply on TV at BW3's it didn't look like much or anything was said when he went from angry to homicidal.

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            • #81
              Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Could someone give me an idea about what set him off?

              Its still unclear to me what on Earth happened......
              post #22

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              • #82
                Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                That's what I was trying to figure out talking with Peck and Roaming Gnome after the game. We all figured the ref must have said something that didn't sit with him, but when we caught the reply on TV at BW3's it didn't look like much or anything was said when he went from angry to homicidal.

                It was the Foster foul. His reaction to that....he just never cooled down from it. And reading his postgame thoughts makes it a little clearer.

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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                  Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                  That's what I was trying to figure out talking with Peck and Roaming Gnome after the game. We all figured the ref must have said something that didn't sit with him, but when we caught the reply on TV at BW3's it didn't look like much or anything was said when he went from angry to homicidal.
                  Thats what was weird to me. One second, DA was arguing with the ref the next he appeared to be screaming the F bomb and had an absolute vicious look in his eye. The way some of his teammates avoided him as he stormed off the court was just plain weird. If I were the ref, I would have been a little scared. DA just seemed to go from "ok thats a horrible, horrible call" to "I will ing kill you ***** in two seconds."


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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                    If we're looking at what's best for the franchise going forward, I think you finish the season with the roster you have, because we don't have any pieces that would be desirable to a team looking to make a push in the playoffs, with the possible exception of Foster. Everyone else is either too young or too valuable, forcing a playoff team to "shake up" their roster coming down the stretch.

                    However, this summer? Let's be honest, this team as currently constructed isn't a contender. I really feel JO is the Dominique Wilkins of his generation, meaning he's going to have a career of mediocre to slightly above average teams while he looks good out there and has great stats, and people are going to wonder why he couldn't put it together with the team to win a ring.

                    I think you can look at that 62-win team as being Reggie and Artest carrying us across the finish line, with JO keeping us in the race till we get there. JO no longer has a guy like that on the team, so I think your choices this summer are to try to put together a trade for a guy like Ben Gordon or Mike James, or you just go ahead and blow the sucker up, packaging Tinsley and JO for picks, youth, and expirings. This is as good a time as any for a rebuilding effort, simply because the Pacers are now firmly entrenched into 2nd place in the heart of the city, and will be so for the next 5 years.

                    If you go with this plan, and possibly even if you don't, depending on how our season turns out, Carlisle needs to go, and I'd be pushing really hard for Rick Adelman or SVG.

                    I don't really have much to say about the game tonight. We're not playing well on defense, and while we pass the ball, we never seem to find an open guy. We can't stop dribble penetration, and we can't get solid dribble penetration, either. The calls were pretty bad, but you can't change that. I don't think we played great, but I don't think we, as a team, played terribly either. We're a sightly above average team, and that's how it's going to be.

                    My main concern is that we don't have a pick this year, and in terms of getting better through youth, we've got Diogu (stuck behind JO), Granger, and Williams (Stuck behind Granger/JO/Diogu). Realistically, we're not going to improve next year or any year in the near future if we don't make a major trade.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                      Armstrong upset? Uh, yeah.

                      http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...55/1004/SPORTS

                      "I feel like this team, the way the referees call it, we get (expletive) every night," Armstrong said. "I'm going to be honest, it seems like the referees are calling our games like the brawl team (2004-05). We're not that team that was in the brawl. We're the 2006-07 team. It's just sad because we get treated like that. We get a lot of bad calls home and away. Then we can't talk to the officials the right way."

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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                        Originally posted by Kraft View Post

                        I smell a fine...

                        oh, who the hell am I kidding, he's going to get a game

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                          Originally posted by Eindar View Post
                          I smell a fine...

                          oh, who the hell am I kidding, he's going to get a game
                          Some teams would find this as incentive to play harder, maybe win a game. The Pacers (read: Jamaal Tinsley) will find this as incentive to shoot more.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                            I think what has me so disappointed right now is: We were 26-21 and scheduled to play 8 of our next 9 at home. We had just won at Memphis and looked as good as we had all season. Now we have lost to GS and Seattle (who had lost 15 straight road games). We were facing Denver without Iverson and Camby and now were 26-24. I've seen enough bad officiating to last a few years. I'm sick of brawls, shootings, night club arrest etc etc. I've reached a point were I am just not looking forward to watching the Pacers anymore. I've been a fan since 1972-73. I feel like 1-12 we have as much talent as any team in the league, yet we're mediocre.
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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                              Originally posted by Shade View Post
                              So, if we're showcasing Tinsley, does that mean we've officially given up on this season?
                              At 3 for 16, I think we've given up on showcasing.
                              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers Nuggets Post Game

                                What I think is becoming hilarious is how people wiggle around to blame the loss on Tinsley.
                                Heck even DA going off on a ref is Tins' fault.

                                First on DA: he said something to the ref about the call, at that moment he still had a smile on his face, however the ref disrespected him obviously and as is explained in the article in the Star;

                                Originally posted by JO
                                O'Neal said certain officials treat the Pacers with no respect.
                                "The tone they are talking to us, it's a little strange," he said. "I could have sworn we're all grown men. They are talking in a manner you probably shouldn't. It's not all them, it's a couple of them that come in here and say things to you that kind of have you wondering, 'Why are you talking to me like that.' All in all, I guess we're still on punishment for whatever reason. I don't understand, it's a whole new team."
                                I can fully understand that if you are getting the short end of the stick all night long, then defend in the 4th holding them t0 18% only to see the refs giving them 25 FT's in the same quarter and when asking about a call you get dissed that one "goes off", not to say it's right, but it IS understandable.

                                Tins leaves the game in the 1stQ while we are up, he comes back in the 2nd when we are 11 down. brings us back at the half, stay with it to loose it again and (when back in in the 4th) again brings us back, then with 2pts in it they get 6 straight ft's. end of game, no, we come close again, only to hear more "funky" calls against us.

                                Not to put thoughts in anybody's head, but it seems that Crawford is involved in these kind of games a lot when it comes to the Pacers.

                                Oh and the foul on Jeff that set DA off, was a clear foul the other way or at the utmost a no-call.
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