Anybody left that still thinks Rick is a great X's and O's coach?
Anybody left that still thinks Rick is a great X's and O's coach?
If we're talking tic tac toe... otherwise, not after tonight
I'm already on record as saying that this should be Ricks last season here in Indiana...
I don't think he's a bad coach... I just feel like his tenure as the Pacers head coach has run it's course and it should be over when this season is finished. Sure he's been dealt a bad hand having to deal with some of the nutjob players that have worn the blue and gold these past few years.... but even considering that, I still think it's time for a different direction coaching wise.
This game should have been won. We lack the understanding of how to close out a game, at home of all places?!?!?! I think TINS is playing great of late, but not sure if he should be taking the last shot, but I wasn't able to watch the game, so not sure the game situation. But I could see by checking the score on my phone that we were going to lose. Don't know what else to say, but get it together, you are playing at HOME! I know that these are Westeren Conference teams, but come on, play hard and close these teams out in the forth. SOmeone in our locker room should be screaming right now, these are important games... 3 steps forward and then two back, same Pacers.
Nice game tonight by many of our players, but it means nothing without that W.
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I don't understand Rick's belief in end-of-quarter/half/game situations being the time to give the ball to the PG and just expect him to pull something out of his ***, with the possible addition of a pick.
Can we lay to rest the idea that Tins does the driving and such on his own account ?
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Sure was fun to watch a game without Jermaine O'Neal. Love that style of play where we're only in it because we're unconscious from deep.
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2 losses to the Sonics in the final secs... a good team would have found a way to win ONE of those games. Maybe we need to get healthy, maybe we need a new coach, maybe we need an overload.... after 2 straight home lossed to below .500 teams.... WE NEED SOMETHING!
Ok, I've read the first 9 posts and no one has even mentioned the word Defense. That is why the Pacers lost. Blame Rick all you want for JT missing that final shot, but the defense is what killed us tonight.
it is really as simple as that
I thought Tinsley played well tonight - he was a more willing passer and he was able to get into the paint which is where I want him shooting from. No three point shots please.
I do need to say that Watson, a player I've wanted for 3 season now, looked impressive to me
I mentioned defense some in the game thread.. too angry to include it here!
I agree Tinsley played well, I didn't even notice he was 10-26 from the field. Any other night I think I would have know Tinsley shot 26 times, but his all around game blacked out how many times he shot.
I don't know how Granger missed the put back a very similar shot to the one he missed at the end of the Mavs game.
I missed the first half of the game, but from what I saw, Dunleavy did a decent job on Allen. It wasn't the disaster I would have predicted.
Yes it was. Wasn't it in the 2nd half when DunDun fell on Ray while trying to keep up with him (Gnome laughed out loud when it happened)? That was the closest to staying in front of him he could muster all night.I missed the first half of the game, but from what I saw, Dunleavy did a decent job on Allen. It wasn't the disaster I would have predicted.
Ray hit some tough shots against Danny and did get by him once. But at least DG was able to stay in front of him most of the time. And I've been critical of DG's 1 on 1 defensive smarts. Tonight DG was solid.
WTF surprise are you looking for here? Let's keep in mind that whatever they choose to do, the player has to be able to make the play. Just a bit before that Murph forced a drive to the lane when nothing really opened up outside for him. That was a charge, just part of the collapse.
They ran a standard PnR with Foster on that final play and the Sonics jumped all over it with pressure. And again the biggest issue is that Tins drew lots of attention and yet the Pacers still couldn't put back the offensive rebound, just as they failed to pull in the defensive rebound after Ray missed his shot.
At some point you have to execute. Tricks are not what most late game plays in the NBA (for any team) are built on.
And finally, do you really think Tins scored the other layup on pure surprise, that the Sonics "never saw it coming"? Like any other late shots, it comes down to who can make a play more than anything.
Murphy came off his man while watching the Ray miss bounce and that space is explicitly how they got the rebound and bucket (plus Tins fouling when he grabbed his arm in an attempt to stop the putback). When the ball went up both Foster and Murph had inside position on their guys. By the end of the play this wasn't true. That's execution and if they complete that task they win the game, period.
Anyway, the concern should fall much, much more on how they lost their late lead to the point that they needed to make a bucket.
74-83, DunDun in for Granger (and put back on Allen)
88-90, Granger returns for Dunleavy and they procede to go back up by 7 at one point 92-99
With the game 94-99 you have Granger miss, Murph rebound and miss, Foster rebound and miss (boy, that sounds oddly familiar).
Ray hits a jumper.
Tins scores 1 of 2 after drawing a foul.
Watson layup (off Ray play)
Murphy charges in an awkward drive. Then at the other end his guy scores and he fouls him for the 3pt play.
Tins makes the layup for the final lead.
Ray misses, offensive board and score for final points.
So to recap, Ray Allen was the focus of basically every trip and when he missed a shot or dished it, other guys rebounded for scores or made inside shots. When Tins missed the Pacers couldn't put it back in, let alone get fouled doing so. I wasn't even that happy with Tins in the 2nd half, but he did score on 2 of the 3 trips his number was called. That's better than Murph, Granger and Foster were able to do.
But it was the gameplan and not the execution. Knowing that Ray was taking that final shot didn't seem to keep the Sonics from winning. I'd love an explanation on why that is since it's so obvious that the final play call being obvious ruins games, whereas rebounding aces getting beat on the boards late or missing putbacks is standard for winning efforts.
UB, I respect your posts... but the last two players you want on this team are not that great to begin with.. I am referring to Quis and Dunleavy..
they may be good players, but they are not game changers... they dont forces teams to match up...
In Stephen Jackson's defence, atleast I have read quotes that say teams prepare for Stephen Jackson .....
He opened the 3rd by running sets designed to get Murphy the 3pt look, that worked well. He also was calling the play that kept getting DA the open 3 in the corner. Didn't hear a lot of fan complaints about that one.
And he had his 2 best rebounders in the game to pull in that Ray Allen miss and the Tinsley miss. Too bad they didn't get the defensive board and couldn't put the offensive board in at the other end. Either play would have won the game. Regardless, he had his best rebounders in the game for those 2 situations.
Amen. I saw motion. I saw confused, unsure of where guys were supposed to be motion, but they were moving. I vote that any style where your all-star player gets the ball most of the time is good.Sure was fun to watch a game without Jermaine O'Neal. Love that style of play where we're only in it because we're unconscious from deep.
For all the rips on Tins (and he did force the 2nd half action into the toilet when it came to his shooting), he had to tell several players where to be when they were trying to run that DA 3pt look play yet again. He called it and no one setup right. He shook his head in disgust and redirected them. The play then ran perfectly except that Foster got nailed with the moving screen (late 4th).
It's not as simple as Rick or Tinsley. Players are confused, probably due to the massive roster changes that get worse when your star player is out.
And you guys that rant about JO's passing (which is quite good now, even statistically), watch Ike freak out in the post when he has to move the ball. He struggled to pass out of the post all night.
One thing about that final call, how did the Pacers regain the lead just a minute earlier? Exactly.
Heck, how did Granger and Murph and DA get those open 3s? Tins starting plays is NOT WRONG. Calling Tins number to work inside isn't wrong. Ray Allen was asked to do it all night too. The problem came when he forced the play beyond where it should go. At some point you have the option to pass depending on how the play is defended.
Rick tried a lot of different sets and kept adjusting all night looking for something that would work. He ran the hell out of those Murph and DA for 3 sets (those were set plays with several stages before the shot, which is why they looked identical every freaking time) because they were working.
The fact is this team lost Quis, lost JO, and traded down from Jack to DunDun. They were an iffy offensive team before and its worse now even when Quis and JO are out there. The defense from Dun is very questionable, Murph is hit and miss.
Fixing the attitude came at a price, one this roster wasn't really in a position to afford.
If it makes you feel better, this will probably end Rick's tenure here. And then it will get really ugly. Good news for all you lottery is magic fanatics, it's probably a season away.
ok anybody with an IQ of 2 could have made that callHe was smart enough to get craptastic Dunleavy out of the game and off of Ray Ray and put Granger on him. That cut the damage.
ok he ran a few set plays still nothing groundbreaking.He opened the 3rd by running sets designed to get Murphy the 3pt look, that worked well. He also was calling the play that kept getting DA the open 3 in the corner. Didn't hear a lot of fan complaints about that one.
Again an obvious coaching move i've seen people on this board wonder why he has kept his rebounders out of the lineup in the closing minutes, he finally made that adjustments after about 3 games good for him.And he had his 2 best rebounders in the game to pull in that Ray Allen miss and the Tinsley miss. Too bad they didn't get the defensive board and couldn't put the offensive board in at the other end. Either play would have won the game. Regardless, he had his best rebounders in the game for those 2 situations.
For discussion sake, lets say RC was gone tomorrow. Who would be the next guy you'd like to see in here?