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    If I never see Jamaal Tinsley play again it will still be to soon. In my entire life I've never rooted for a bout of sinusitis as I did during that game.

    I don't care if he scored 100 points & threw out 33 assists, that still was the most selfish basketball I've seen since way back when I used to watch World B. Free jack up jumpers for the Clippers.

    He made Stephon Marburry seem like Mark Price.

    Not only was his play God awfull but I got to see two instances of Artestism from him. Two times he lost the ball, for whatever reason, & he would go up & pin the guy in the corner & intentionally foul him. Both times leaving his elbows inches away from the other players nose. Sorry, but that's as close to a cheap shot as you can get without giving a cheap shot.

    By midway through the first half the other players just stopped moving. Because Jamaal Iverson was either going to do some wild driving layup or he was going to throw it to Jermaine. Oh yes they would get some passes off of a broken drive but that was more because Jamaal could not get his shot up, not because they were in good spots to shoot.

    I started noticing this about three games ago. You remember when the trade first occured? Dunleavy & Murphy were in constan motion moving from one side to the other? (mostly Dun) Remember how we had great ball movement leading to good shots?

    That all has pretty much gone away because now the new guys have learned the one page play book that we have. Oh it may be complicated & maybe we don't hit the right spots on the floor but I assure the play book still says one thing.

    Get the ball in the post & everybody else go stand on the opposite side for a clear out, assuming the p.g. does not have a shot he does not like (tonight there was no such thing).

    The motion has slowed way down & we've gone back to the worlds most boring & predictable offense.

    Now in fairness to the others I will say this. Dunleavy has got to start hitting some shots or at very least start going to the rim more often than he does. His open jump shots that draw nothing but air will just not do. He is not a shooter & has never been, but he has got to do better than this.

    I have an honest question for anybody to answer because I do not have a clue the real answer to this.

    Do we run any plays for anybody else to be the primary option other than J.O.?

    I don't mean some end of the quarter or end of game where the p.g. dribbles down the clock & hopes to get something.

    I mean do we have a play that calls for getting Danny Granger the ball at spot X on the floor for a shot? Or do we have a play where we run a pick so Rawle Marshal can get something?

    I know for years they haven't ran a single play for Foster, other than the occasional P&R, but do they have to extend that to Murphy as well?

    Seems to me like the only time the guy will touch the ball is if he gets an offensive rebound or if J.O. hits him from the post (I know he has to touch the ball other times but d@mn it doesn't seem like it).

    This problem I don't blame on O'Neal or Tinsley. IMO, this is a product of Rick Carlisle's coaching style. Remember Ben Wallace's main complaint with Rick when he left was that he had zero plays ran for him, none. He was only able to get a shot up after a rebound or a broken play.

    Now obviously with Ben's offensive ability's one can understand why this is, but Troy isn't Ben.

    I'm still basking in the sunshine of the trade, however I see the dark clouds coming from the west & they have the same old clouds we've seen before.

    I understand that O'Neal will get most of the touches, that is to be expected. I even understand that since we were lucky enough to get Iverson in that deal with Philly that he will also probably take up a few shots a game.

    But we have got to spread the floor more. If we are saying that those two must score big for us to win then I have to question our overall ability. I'd much rather all five guys starting be in double figures then just two of them reaching the 20 point margin.

    Ok, I've said enough negative let's just move on from here & see if we can't find something positive.

    Um.....

    Well......

    Hmmmmm.....

    Armstrong brought energy to the floor.

    There that's about as positive from this game I can take.

    Ok, now it's confession time.

    Am I the only person in the state of Indiana who is not a Bears fan who felt depressed when the Colts won the title?

    Man it hit me hard when they won that we will never be able to see those teams from the late 90's win it all.

    For years & years now this town will care nothing for the Pacers & it will all be about the Colts. Not like it wasn't that already but now it's firmly locked into place.

    I've never felt more like a second class citizen than I have the last two days.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you guys & I'm happy for the state.

    But frankly this should have been our team in 99 or 00 holding up the Larry O'Brien trophy.

    It should be Reggie Miller that brought home the title back to Indiana.

    At the very least the guy on CBS did make referance to our ABA titles, but sadly that is little comfort for those of us to young to remember that.

    Man ABAdays, Geezer, Will, Beast23, AlabamaRedneck, etc. cherish those title days guys cause I feel as though we are as far away from that as we were back in the 80's. No I'm not comparing this to the 80's team I'm just saying right now, to me, it feels decades away.

    It didn't help that the people sitting behind me during the game kept making comment about how they didn't care about the Pacers, they were just glad that players they weren't ashamed of represented the city. Oh & they can't wait for baseball season to begin.

    Have we sunk so low in the NBA that people acutally want baseball to begin?

    D@mn, I am depressed. That game was horrid, the weather sucks & I've been working my @ss off lately at my one job while starting up an entire new company in my off time.

    I still believe that this trade was good & ultimately it will help our club, but the offense I've seen the past three games has me less excited each day.

    Can anybody cheer me up?


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    We still have won 7 of our past 10 games right? Jack played a near perfect game? We just had an off night? Deep breaths Peck, Deep breaths. I can think of one play we run for Granger where he runs baseline and then curls around for a mid range jumper.

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    Peck: you saw the same game I watched. I think some of the other posters in here was watching another game in which the good Tinsley played. I couldn't find that one on TV anywhere.


    I'm glad Jackson showed us what we have missed since the trade.

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    I'm waiting until Feb. 22, at 3 p.m. to complain.

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    Ok, now it's confession time.

    Am I the only person in the state of Indiana who is not a Bears fan who felt depressed when the Colts won the title?

    Man it hit me hard when they won that we will never be able to see those teams from the late 90's win it all.

    For years & years now this town will care nothing for the Pacers & it will all be about the Colts. Not like it wasn't that already but now it's firmly locked into place.

    I've never felt more like a second class citizen than I have the last two days.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you guys & I'm happy for the state.

    But frankly this should have been our team in 99 or 00 holding up the Larry O'Brien trophy.

    It should be Reggie Miller that brought home the title back to Indiana.

    At the very least the guy on CBS did make referance to our ABA titles, but sadly that is little comfort for those of us to young to remember that.

    It didn't help that the people sitting behind me during the game kept making comment about how they didn't care about the Pacers, they were just glad that players they weren't ashamed of represented the city. Oh & they can't wait for baseball season to begin.

    Have we sunk so low in the NBA that people acutally want baseball to begin?

    I still believe that this trade was good & ultimately it will help our club, but the offense I've seen the past three games has me less excited each day.

    Can anybody cheer me up?

    I'll get to the Pacers offense a little later.

    Peck, I feel the exact same way as you do in regards to the Colts winning. You took the words right out of my mouth. I was afraid to actually post that because I didn't want to ruin anyones excitement over winning the Super Bowl. And yes I was a little teed off that the victory parade was on at the exact same time as the Pacers game last night.

    How many times do the Pacers change the times for their games as not to interfere with Colts games - it has happened several times over the years, and the pre-season open jam fest is always scheduled around the Colts games. I suppose that is good business sense by the Pacers, but seems to me the Pacers are always second class citizens. First the Colts get all the attention through at least the beginning of January, then IU and the NCAA gets all the attention from now through Final Four and then the "500" rolls into town and once again the Pacers are second.

    There were times over the past 2 weeks of Super Bowl hype that I thought I was going to get sick.

    Ok enough of that, I'm still glad the Colts won but it is a little like your best friend marrying your ex-girlfriend. You might be happy for them, but you think it should have been you on the altar.

    Edit: I need to stop before some of you hate me. But did schools and businesses close in 2000 when the Pacers were in the NBA Finals - not that I know of. (yes I know the Finals are in June and schools are out).

    Mark Montieth makes a great point in this column here. If you ask young people in central Indiana if they are Colts fans or Pacers fans. (Ok with the Super Bowl just ending, ask this question 3 or 4 weeks ago) And by young people I mean those in High school and college age - 15-22. Right now I would guess 75% or 80% at least would say Colts fans. But if you asked this same question in 2000 - 7 years ago, I would guess 60% or so would say Pacers fans first. That is a huge shift that will take years for any change to take place. Probably not until Manning retires

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    It sounds like blasphemy at first, but the ring of truth is undeniable.

    Will the Colts? Super Bowl victory be a fatal blow to Indiana?s reputation as a ?basketball state?? Will Hoosier Hysteria become what happens in a domed football stadium on Sunday afternoons and Monday nights?

    That?s a painful concept for someone like me, a baby-boomer who grew up in Indiana. But you have to wonder. An entire generation of fans is coming up in an era when the NFL reigns supreme over the nation?s sporting landscape, and the Colts are among the elite teams in the NFL.

    If tens of thousands of fans are willing to brave sub-freezing temperatures to stand alongside Downtown streets for two hours to catch a glimpse of the players, you have to figure something is up. If that isn?t hysteria, what is?

    Basketball won?t go away, of course. The Pacers are a consistent playoff team and seemingly headed in the right direction again. So are the programs at Indiana, Purdue and Notre Dame. Butler has captured the nation?s interest with a Top Ten ranking, and I don?t think they?ll be tearing down Hinkle Fieldhouse any time soon to build a new football stadium for the Bulldogs.

    But the high school tournament, once the state?s athletic claim to fame, has been diluted four times over. Kids today aren?t falling in love with it at the grassroots level like my generation did, and probably couldn?t tell Bobby Plump from Oscar Robertson.

    And, starting Monday, most sports fans in other parts of the country probably would say they think of the Colts first when asked about Indiana?s sporting traditions.

    Basketball faces obstacles these days, because it requires an attention span. The NFL is easy. Just one game a week, usually on a weekend. Always on television. Nearly every play is replayed so you don?t have to pay close attention. A lot of hype. Violent, too.

    In other words, perfect for today?s culture.

    Indiana still produces far more elite basketball players than football players, but many more days like Sunday and you have to wonder which sport kids will grow up wanting to play.

    Time marches on. Sometimes institutions are trampled.

    Just count me out of that parade.

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    If I never see Jamaal Tinsley play again it will still be to soon. In my entire life I've never rooted for a bout of sinusitis as I did during that game.

    I don't care if he scored 100 points & threw out 33 assists, that still was the most selfish basketball I've seen since way back when I used to watch World B. Free jack up jumpers for the Clippers.

    He made Stephon Marburry seem like Mark Price.

    Not only was his play God awfull but I got to see two instances of Artestism from him. Two times he lost the ball, for whatever reason, & he would go up & pin the guy in the corner & intentionally foul him. Both times leaving his elbows inches away from the other players nose. Sorry, but that's as close to a cheap shot as you can get without giving a cheap shot.

    By midway through the first half the other players just stopped moving. Because Jamaal Iverson was either going to do some wild driving layup or he was going to throw it to Jermaine. Oh yes they would get some passes off of a broken drive but that was more because Jamaal could not get his shot up, not because they were in good spots to shoot.

    I started noticing this about three games ago. You remember when the trade first occured? Dunleavy & Murphy were in constan motion moving from one side to the other? (mostly Dun) Remember how we had great ball movement leading to good shots?

    That all has pretty much gone away because now the new guys have learned the one page play book that we have. Oh it may be complicated & maybe we don't hit the right spots on the floor but I assure the play book still says one thing.

    Get the ball in the post & everybody else go stand on the opposite side for a clear out, assuming the p.g. does not have a shot he does not like (tonight there was no such thing).

    The motion has slowed way down & we've gone back to the worlds most boring & predictable offense.

    Now in fairness to the others I will say this. Dunleavy has got to start hitting some shots or at very least start going to the rim more often than he does. His open jump shots that draw nothing but air will just not do. He is not a shooter & has never been, but he has got to do better than this.

    I have an honest question for anybody to answer because I do not have a clue the real answer to this.

    Do we run any plays for anybody else to be the primary option other than J.O.?

    I don't mean some end of the quarter or end of game where the p.g. dribbles down the clock & hopes to get something.

    I mean do we have a play that calls for getting Danny Granger the ball at spot X on the floor for a shot? Or do we have a play where we run a pick so Rawle Marshal can get something?

    I know for years they haven't ran a single play for Foster, other than the occasional P&R, but do they have to extend that to Murphy as well?

    Seems to me like the only time the guy will touch the ball is if he gets an offensive rebound or if J.O. hits him from the post (I know he has to touch the ball other times but d@mn it doesn't seem like it).

    This problem I don't blame on O'Neal or Tinsley. IMO, this is a product of Rick Carlisle's coaching style. Remember Ben Wallace's main complaint with Rick when he left was that he had zero plays ran for him, none. He was only able to get a shot up after a rebound or a broken play.

    Now obviously with Ben's offensive ability's one can understand why this is, but Troy isn't Ben.

    I'm still basking in the sunshine of the trade, however I see the dark clouds coming from the west & they have the same old clouds we've seen before.

    I understand that O'Neal will get most of the touches, that is to be expected. I even understand that since we were lucky enough to get Iverson in that deal with Philly that he will also probably take up a few shots a game.

    But we have got to spread the floor more. If we are saying that those two must score big for us to win then I have to question our overall ability. I'd much rather all five guys starting be in double figures then just two of them reaching the 20 point margin.
    I read your sentence about us getting Iverson 3 times and I couldn't figure what you were talking about and then it hit me - Tinsley.

    I agree with you about Tinsley's game - it disgusted me. And it disgusts me that Rick allowed him to play that way. Although I think Rick would like to play DA more but it scared to because he we lose him, the pacers are in real trouble. I continue to believe that Rick isn't stupid enough to want JT to take all those bad shots.

    Peck, from what I know the Pacers playbook is one of the thickest in the NBA - although I also understand that Rick has cut it way back to help get the new guys acclimated.

    This is what I saw last night - the Pacers ran a lot of pick and rolls with JT and Murph - but JT was reluctant to pass the ball to him. Tinsley is dominating the ball. Peck, look at how different the Pacers look when DA is in the game - DA moves the ball and gets others involved. So at this time I blame Tinsley although I will blame Rick for not benching him last night .

    I've seen the Pacers run plays for Granger and Dunleavy for both to run off picks to get open shots, I see some of the same plays we used to run for Reggie.

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    Ok, now it's confession time.

    Am I the only person in the state of Indiana who is not a Bears fan who felt depressed when the Colts won the title?

    Man it hit me hard when they won that we will never be able to see those teams from the late 90's win it all.

    For years & years now this town will care nothing for the Pacers & it will all be about the Colts. Not like it wasn't that already but now it's firmly locked into place.

    I've never felt more like a second class citizen than I have the last two days.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy for you guys & I'm happy for the state.

    But frankly this should have been our team in 99 or 00 holding up the Larry O'Brien trophy.

    It should be Reggie Miller that brought home the title back to Indiana.

    At the very least the guy on CBS did make referance to our ABA titles, but sadly that is little comfort for those of us to young to remember that.

    Man ABAdays, Geezer, Will, Beast23, AlabamaRedneck, etc. cherish those title days guys cause I feel as though we are as far away from that as we were back in the 80's. No I'm not comparing this to the 80's team I'm just saying right now, to me, it feels decades away.

    It didn't help that the people sitting behind me during the game kept making comment about how they didn't care about the Pacers, they were just glad that players they weren't ashamed of represented the city. Oh & they can't wait for baseball season to begin.

    Can anybody cheer me up?
    I will always be a Pacers fan first, but I've had a smile on my face since Sunday. There's always room for two Indiana teams in my heart.

    Probably nothing I can say to cheer you up friend, but you can be happy for DiamondD who get's to see an Indy championship in his lifetime.
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    I agree completely with the assessment of Tinsley and the offense in general. It's sickening. And it's on Rick's head for either implementing it or not dealing with it if it's Tinsley's fault. The only thing worse than being a bad team is being a boring bad team. That's what we were last night. Bad and very boring.

    As for the Colts, I'm not the biggest Colts fan compared to the others around here, but I did/do enjoy it and to the complaints about the Pacers being second class I can only say this: The Colts earned what they have by their play on the field and lack of controversy. They EARNED this. The Pacers, likewise, have earned what they are right now.

    Now, as a Pacers fan above all other teams, I don't like this fact, but I do see and accept that fact. I just want it to change.

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    I agree with you about Tinsley's game - it disgusted me. And it disgusts me that Rick allowed him to play that way. Although I think Rick would like to play DA more but it scared to because he we lose him, the pacers are in real trouble. I continue to believe that Rick isn't stupid enough to want JT to take all those bad shots.
    I keep saying wait until the trade deadline because I hope Tinsley is out of here by then. However, I'm afraid the Pacers are stuck with him.

    The thing that really disgusts me about Tinsley is he could make it work. Tinsley has the handles, he can make the passes, but he's just like Al was, he wants to be a STAR!

    I think he wants to be Nash.

    The thing is with Nash, he makes stars out of his teammates, so they make a star out of him. Tinsley doesn't have the sense to recognize the value of that.

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    We can talk about and complain about the Pacers offense all we want, but that was not the only problem last night - the pacers looked like they were running in quiksand, they had no energy. That was the biggest problem.


    And before we start complaining too loudly about Dunleavy's shooting. He did have 13 rebounds and 7 assists last night - that is impressive regardless of how many shots he missed.


    It is interesting to read Warriors fans comments in regards to Tinsley - and keep in mind they've been watching Baron Davis for awhile now.

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    I agree completely with the assessment of Tinsley and the offense in general. It's sickening. And it's on Rick's head for either implementing it or not dealing with it if it's Tinsley's fault.
    If Tins can't be dealt by the trade deadline I look for things to change. Right now I think they are letting him play his way and are making the most of it to try and up whatever value he has.

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    We can talk about and complain about the Pacers offense all we want, but that was not the only problem last night - the pacers looked like they were running in quiksand, they had no energy. That was the biggest problem.
    They weren't moving. Yes the ball goes in to JO, but he can't pass if he has no one to pass to. JO wasn't very fast at looking to free himself from double teams either.

    You know what just occurred to me? I think the team was hung over from Superbowl partying.

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    Well, I went with the kids and grand kids to the Dome, instead of the game. And, I am, no doubt, a Pacers fan first.

    Why?

    Bottom line for me: Outstanding performance and doing things the right way deserves a show of respect from a fan. It was fun for me, but nearly not as much fun as if I'd been celebrating a Pacers NBA championship.

    My feelings aside, though, celebrating a Super Bowl win and saluting their heroes is where the kids wanted to be. And who am I to argue, especially when the price was right.

    As to feeling that the Colts deliberately disrespected the Pacers...I don't think so.

    Just because there was a Pacers home game, was the team supposed to hide in Miami for another day before returning home to be welcomed by fans, formally and informally? Nah.

    C'mon, the fans wanted this celebration now, not later, and I'm sure the players wanted to move on with their lives. The Pacers will get through it, if they put a good product on the floor. On the other hand, if it goes like last night on the floor at Conseco, I expect empty seats to continue to abound for awhile.

    Lots more to say on this subject. The cost of supporting an NBA team now; the popularity of the NFL; Frequency of games; Bandwagon fans, etc. But, what've I written is more than enough.

    As Pacers fans, we will get through this. Hopefully, so will the Pacers organization. They do not have an easy job.

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    As for the Colts, I'm not the biggest Colts fan compared to the others around here, but I did/do enjoy it and to the complaints about the Pacers being second class I can only say this: The Colts earned what they have by their play on the field and lack of controversy. They EARNED this. The Pacers, likewise, have earned what they are right now.
    This answer by Hicks should be framed.

    It's funny one of the things that makes the Pacers special is this forum created by Hicks, Able, and we the die hard fans. I mean parties are setup (thanks Jose) to sit down and just talk Pacers. That's pretty unique.

    Football has an advantage. Every Sunday you have tailgate parties hours before the game. We have a tight membership, but can't compete with what amounts to a forum party at least 8 Sundays in a season. It makes a heck of a difference in fan support when you can share your enjoyment with others who feel the same.

    If the Pacers want to create that rabid fan loyalty then they need to create that tailgate mentality somehow with the fan base. The Colts have the Blue Crew, Colt Nation, Colt Power fan clubs. What fan base or clubs do the PAcers have? The answer is the membership of PD and the survivors on the Star site. If it bothers us so much maybe it's time to create an area at Conseco that PD members can gather before the game to build on that kinship.
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    My feelings aside, though, celebrating a Super Bowl win and saluting their heroes is where the kids wanted to be. And who am I to argue, especially when the price was right.
    6th, did you yell? Did you feel pride in your city/state while you were there? Of course you did and my reasoning is if people couldn't back a Super Bowl winning team then how in the heck would they ever support what the blue and gold has been previous to the trades.
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    This is what I saw last night - the Pacers ran a lot of pick and rolls with JT and Murph - but JT was reluctant to pass the ball to him. Tinsley is dominating the ball. Peck, look at how different the Pacers look when DA is in the game - DA moves the ball and gets others involved.
    Ladies and Gentleman, I refer you to this thread:

    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.p...712#post532712

    imawhat: I thought there were a few times that Dunleavy was wide open and Tinsley refused to pass him the ball. At least I couldn't see Jackson or Harrington not getting the ball in the same situation.

    tadscout:


    Me: imawhat, yeah, there were a few times. Also, one glaring snub, to me, was when Troy first came into the game. He backed got position on Malik Rose, then proceeded to back him all the way into the paint. He was a step from a ctach, turn and shoot, with a shot about 3-4 feet from the rim. Jamall pounded the ball looking at him, as if trying to decide, then dribbled to the other side of the corcle, where JO was. Anyone else remember that.

    Yeah, Mel-Mel was definitly looking for only his buddy.



    This is my biggest damper on the new look Pacers. If Jamaal is only going to pass the ball to his homiez, then we are in big trouble. We ARE in big trouble. I am so hopeful again for this team, but as long as it's led by Jamaal Iverson, I can't bring myself TOTALLY back into the sunshine.

    I'm sorry. Not trying to thread hijack, and make this an Tinsley thread, but maybe I'm not the only one seeing a pattern now? Tinsley's the cool kid in school and Troy and Dunleavy are the mid-semester transfer students who don't get any slack.
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    6th, did you yell? Did you feel pride in your city/state while you were there? Of course you did and my reasoning is if people couldn't back a Super Bowl winning team then how in the heck would they ever support what the blue and gold has been previous to the trades.
    Exactly. If this was reversed and a Colts fan from Indy couldn't feel good about an NBA championship for the Pacers, I would think the lesser of the fellow.

    Also let's face it, in America the Super Bowl is a huge deal. You only have to look at the TV ratings nationally and locally to stamp that opinion as fact.

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    Ladies and Gentleman, I refer you to this thread:

    http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.p...712#post532712

    imawhat: I thought there were a few times that Dunleavy was wide open and Tinsley refused to pass him the ball. At least I couldn't see Jackson or Harrington not getting the ball in the same situation.

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    Me: imawhat, yeah, there were a few times. Also, one glaring snub, to me, was when Troy first came into the game. He backed got position on Malik Rose, then proceeded to back him all the way into the paint. He was a step from a ctach, turn and shoot, with a shot about 3-4 feet from the rim. Jamall pounded the ball looking at him, as if trying to decide, then dribbled to the other side of the corcle, where JO was. Anyone else remember that.

    Yeah, Mel-Mel was definitly looking for only his buddy.



    This is my biggest damper on the new look Pacers. If Jamaal is only going to pass the ball to his homiez, then we are in big trouble. We ARE in big trouble. I am so hopeful again for this team, but as long as it's led by Jamaal Iverson, I can't bring myself TOTALLY back into the sunshine.

    I'm sorry. Not trying to thread hijack, and make this an Tinsley thread, but maybe I'm not the only one seeing a pattern now? Tinsley's the cool kid in school and Troy and Dunleavy are the mid-semester transfer students who don't get any slack.
    Yeah, like I have been saying all along, Tinman has to go in order for this team to really start over. He is a part of the past click of players who wouldn't pass the ball to wide open players because they were not his homey's.

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    This answer by Hicks should be framed.

    It's funny one of the things that makes the Pacers special is this forum created by Hicks, Able, and we the die hard fans. I mean parties are setup (thanks Jose) to sit down and just talk Pacers. That's pretty unique.

    Football has an advantage. Every Sunday you have tailgate parties hours before the game. We have a tight membership, but can't compete with what amounts to a forum party at least 8 Sundays in a season. It makes a heck of a difference in fan support when you can share your enjoyment with others who feel the same.

    If the Pacers want to create that rabid fan loyalty then they need to create that tailgate mentality somehow with the fan base. The Colts have the Blue Crew, Colt Nation, Colt Power fan clubs. What fan base or clubs do the PAcers have? The answer is the membership of PD and the survivors on the Star site. If it bothers us so much maybe it's time to create an area at Conseco that PD members can gather before the game to build on that kinship.
    The concept is great, but the logistical problem is that the NFL has 8 home games, and they're almost always on a weekend in the afternoon. Prime setup for parties.

    The NBA, on the other hand, has 41 home games, and many are on weekdays, and later in the evening. That makes it tough to generate that kind of atmosphere.

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    The concept is great, but the logistical problem is that the NFL has 8 home games, and they're almost always on a weekend in the afternoon. Prime setup for parties.

    The NBA, on the other hand, has 41 home games, and many are on weekdays, and later in the evening. That makes it tough to generate that kind of atmosphere.
    You can get it during the playoffs. This year people were tailgating before NHL playoffs games in Buffalo.

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    I know the Pacers use to promote a fan club for the younguns, but do they have a fan club like the Colts Blue Crew that I'm not aware of?
    You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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    [QUOTE=Unclebuck;540441]I'll get to the Pacers offense a little later.

    "And yes I was a little teed off that the victory parade was on at the exact same time as the Pacers game last night. "

    UB: They had to have the Super Bowl Party when they did because of the players who had to leave Tuesday morning for the Pro Bowl. There really wasn't anything else they could do.

    PS: Its a good thing people didn't attend the Pacers game anyway. It wasn't worth watching. All I can say is I hope TPTB make another trade or two before the deadline. I believe we need to move 2 specific guys on this team to really start over right.

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    I agree completely with the assessment of Tinsley and the offense in general. It's sickening. And it's on Rick's head for either implementing it or not dealing with it if it's Tinsley's fault.
    Tinsley's stats for the last three games:

    DateOpponentScoreGSMin
    M A Pct
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    Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
    Feb 5 GSW L 98-113 1 34:45
    9 24 37.5
    0 2 0.0
    4 4 100.0
    1 1 2
    10 4 4 2 4 22
    Feb 3 @ MEM W 116-110 1 34:24
    10 16 62.5
    2 2 100.0
    3 7 42.9
    1 1 2
    9 4 0 0 2 25
    Feb 2 LAL W 95-84 1 32:54
    6 14 42.9
    1 2 50.0
    3 6 50.0
    1 3 4
    6 5 2 0 2 16

    The glaring difference of course is in shot attempts. Let's look at some team stats:

    Feb 2: 34-79 21 total assists
    Feb 3: 45-85 15 total assists
    Feb 5: 37-85 24 total assists

    Last night, he took a disproportionate share of shots (50% more than the past couple of games where he played well), and this is what gives the sense that he's a ballhog. I think the pretty clear message is: Jamal, limit yourself to 12-16 shot attempts per game. You shouldn't be taking a quarter of the shots in the game. I wonder if he enters the game thinking "I need around 20 points, and I'll continue to shoot until I get there."

    The problem is, unlike someone like Dunleavy, whose job it is to shoot, Tinsley should force more ball movement first, and shoot second. I'm hopeful that he can improve on this, but we've seen this pattern far too often.

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    As to feeling that the Colts deliberately disrespected the Pacers...I don't think so.

    I don't think for one moment the Colts purposely planned the parade and dome thing to conflict with a Pacers game. No way would the Colts do that. In fact the plan was to start the parade at 4:00 or 4:30 at the latest and then the dome thing would have been over by 6:15.

    My only point is the Colts and the city never considered the fact that the Pacers had a game - and why should they. But if the roles were reversed - the Pacers would have changed the time of the celebration as to not interfere with a Colts regular season Sunday afternoon game.

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