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    So as I see it, this will probably be the new depth chart.

    C - Foster/Murphy/Harrison
    PF - JO/Ike/Baston
    SF - Granger/Williams/Marshall
    SG - Dunleavy/Daniels/Marshall
    PG - Tinsley/Armstrong/McLeod/Greene

    What do you guys think?
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    So as I see it, this will probably be the new depth chart.

    C - Foster/Murphy/Harrison
    PF - JO/Ike/Baston
    SF - Granger/Williams/Marshall
    SG - Dunleavy/Daniels/Marshall
    PG - Tinsley/Armstrong/McLeod/Greene

    What do you guys think?
    I hope Dunleavy is not our new starting sg.

    Well I hope no one liked it when we scored over 100 because we have seen the last time we do that for a while.

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    I hope Dunleavy is not our new starting sg.

    Well I hope no one liked it when we scored over 100 because we have seen the last time we do that for a while.
    Well I don't see any other options.

    I, in no way, want Daniels starting. We already have Foster starting, we can't have two people who can't shoot on the floor at the same time.

    Marshall is not a starting caliber player. Danny shouldn't play sg. So I don't know who else.
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    I think Greene might be higher up now, possibly even the backup if DA tires out.

    Daniels at the 2 and Dunleavy at the 3 would compliment each other very well. We're now big off the bench with Danny, Ike, and Murph. (1 of the 2 new bigs isn't going to play much because JO still gets 36 mpg.)

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    I think Don Nelson started the season by putting Murphy as a center, Murphy is a good rebounder but softer than a stick of butter in Africa, he could be the Brad Miller kind of center that gives JO more room to operate, that way we could play Daniels in the starting lineup. Or we can start Diogu right off the bat to expand his game, I think Diogu is better than anyone we could've have picked up from this year's draft, he was drafted ninth if remembered correctly.

    Murphy/Jeff/David Harrison
    JO/Diogu/Baston
    Gift/Dunleavy/Shawne
    Daniels/Rawle/Shawne
    JT/Greene/Red Bull/McLeod

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    The big question is who is the starting shooting guard.

    One big misconception about Dunleavy is that he's an excellent shooter - he's pretty good, but his greatest strength as a player is his passing, and plamaking ability. So I don't think Daniels and Mike would make a good combo.

    I don't know who starts.,

    Probably:

    JT
    Daniels
    Granger
    JO
    Jeff


    Or I suppose we could see Mike starting with Granger with the theory that DG can guard the better of the 2 or 3.

    I see Granger and Dunleavy as a good combo - I see Marquis and Dunleavy as getting in each others way

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    Do you guys really want a backcourt of Daniels and Tinsley. Two guys who shouldn't shoot from the outside, and the ladder who won't stop.

    I've come to start calling Daniels......Marquis "Cluster****" Daniels, as the only time he seems to any use to me is when the play goes to hell and he makes something up on the fly.
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    I think I would start Murphy with UB's group only at PF, which forces JO into the 5 again (especially defensively).

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    I think Don Nelson started the season by putting Murphy as a center, Murphy is a good rebounder but softer than a stick of butter in Africa, he could be the Brad Miller kind of center that gives JO more room to operate, that way we could play Daniels in the starting lineup. Or we can start Diogu right off the bat to expand his game, I think Diogu is better than anyone we could've have picked up from this year's draft, he was drafted ninth if remembered correctly.

    Murphy/Jeff/David Harrison
    JO/Diogu/Baston
    Gift/Dunleavy/Shawne
    Daniels/Rawle/Shawne
    JT/Greene/Red Bull/McLeod
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    I think I would start Murphy with UB's group only at PF, which forces JO into the 5 again (especially defensively).
    , UB, do you think Dunleavy could run the point effectively?

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    The big question is who is the starting shooting guard.

    One big misconception about Dunleavy is that he's an excellent shooter - he's pretty good, but his greatest strength as a player is his passing, and plamaking ability. So I don't think Daniels and Mike would make a good combo.

    I don't know who starts.,

    Probably:

    JT
    Daniels
    Granger
    JO
    Jeff


    Or I suppose we could see Mike starting with Granger with the theory that DG can guard the better of the 2 or 3.

    I see Granger and Dunleavy as a good combo - I see Marquis and Dunleavy as getting in each others way
    I'll be stunned if one of the players we got doesn't get a starting job. I think we could see something like this if our goal is to give JO as much room as possible

    Tins
    Granger
    Dunleavy
    JO
    Murphy

    That would spread the floor for JO as well as provide us with two playmakes in Tins and Dun. However it leaves us with some problems in terms of scoring off the bench. Most likely lineup IMO is
    Tins
    Quis
    Granger
    JO
    Murphy

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    UB: Dunleavy is a capable open shooter and having him in there with Daniels takes the burden off Tinsley especially on the break. Daniels is our most capable finisher in the open court and unlike Jack or Al, Dunleavy understands how to pass and space on the break. Now Tinsley won't be forced to throw up ugly 8 footers because no one filled the proper lanes in transition.

    I am very concerned about how the rotation up front is going to work. It looks as if Baston's minutes are going to disappear. Murph and Ike gives us legit backup "bigs." Granger can rotate with Dunleavy and Daniels because he can play the 2 for a few minutes. This team needs to establish a 8/9 man rotation ASAP.

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    Anybody else just absolutely hate when people put Granger at the 2 guard?

    Granger is not a 2, will never be a 2. Granger has the prefect size and skill set to be a all star 3 in the near future. If he is going to play out of position, at times, I'd rather see him at the 4.
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    , UB, do you think Dunleavy could run the point effectively?
    Sorry about that woo, nice catch. I think that's the lineup to go with. This whole trade screams JO as a 5 to me. They traded for 2 PFs, how can you keep JO at the 4 while bringing in 2 PFs and already playing Jeff Fosters out of position?

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    Anybody else just absolutely hate when people put Granger at the 2 guard?

    Granger is not a 2, will never be a 2. Granger has the prefect size and skill set to be a all star 3 in the near future. If he is going to play out of position, at times, I'd rather see him at the 4.
    Me. It's not even close either. If he leans away from SF ever it's toward PF. For example being used to cover a guy like Dirk as he was.

    Put him on a SG like Wade and forget about it.

    He's SF all the way, exactly the kind of skill combo you love to see at the 3.

    Quis has to be the SG....pending more trading at least.

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    Foster/Murphy/Harrison
    JO/Diogu/Baston
    Granger/Dunleavy/Williams
    Daniels/Marshal
    Tinsley/Armstrong/Greene

    There has got to be at least one more trade coming so it doesn't really matter.
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    There has got to be at least one more trade coming so it doesn't really matter.
    I hope you are correct.

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    I hope you are correct.
    I do too, although I'm starting to doubt myself, especially if we think that Dunleavy is a 2 guard. I'm scared.
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    I think Daniels showed Carlisle enough to be a starter. Maybe you guys don't agree, but he's certainly capable. Don't forget how he played in Dallas as a starter. I think Rawle is nearly a mirror image of Daniels, except I think Rawle is a slightly better shooter (not from three, but inside 15'). They both can handle the ball, get to the basket, and finish.

    There's a number of players that benefit from this trade: Granger - likely our new starting 3, Marshall & Daniels - for reasons stated above, J.O. - he can move back to the PF and have a guy like Murphy (if he starts) that compliments his game, Tinsley - Dunleavy's ball handling and passing abilities take a bit of pressure off Tinsley to make everything happen, Orien Greene - we'll likely see him on the floor with Dunleavy because he's an excellent defender but not such a good distributor of the ball, Danny Granger - don't know if you guys realized it but he's now our second leading scorer...

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    I think it'll go:

    Murphy/Foster/Diogu/Harrison
    JO/Foster/Baston
    Granger/Dunleavy/Williams
    Daniels/Dunleavy/Marshall
    Tinsley/DA/Greene/Mcleod

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    Me. It's not even close either. If he leans away from SF ever it's toward PF. For example being used to cover a guy like Dirk as he was.

    Put him on a SG like Wade and forget about it.

    He's SF all the way, exactly the kind of skill combo you love to see at the 3.

    Quis has to be the SG....pending more trading at least.
    After listening to Rick's show tonight, he named Danny as the probably starting 2 guard and Daniels as the 3. He made a good point that Danny was going to guard the other teams best perimeter player most nights anyway. I suppose I'm not convinced Danny would be unsuccessful playing the 2, especially after hearing Rick's confidence.

    On the other hand I'm in agreement with a lot of guys when thinking that we may be trading for another perimeter player soon to hedge any problems that we may find at the 2.

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    In Rick's system the 2 and the 3 are the same. There really is no difference. Granger will guard the other teams best scorer either the 2 or 3 so I don't see the problem.

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    Tinsley/Armstrong
    Daniels/Dunleavy
    Granger/Dunleavy
    O'Neal/Diogu
    Murphy/Foster

    Murphy isn't much of a defender but he's one of the leagues best rebounders and a good scorer. If he's given 35 minutes a night 16 and 11 are reasonable numbers. I also think this deal will mean Granger is made a bigger part of the offense. I wouldn't be surprised to see him average 15+ for the rest of the season, which is a good thing.

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    Murphy isn't much of a defender but he's one of the leagues best rebounders and a good scorer. If he's given 35 minutes a night 16 and 11 are reasonable numbers.
    I'm all for optimism, but Murphy's not going to average 16 and 11. That's not reasonable, that's pie in the sky.
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    I'm all for optimism, but Murphy's not going to average 16 and 11. That's not reasonable, that's pie in the sky.


    The guy's a very productive player when given minutes. And these came out West where the big boys play.

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    Those numbers for Murphy also came on a team without O'Neal.

    I would also suspect that Granger & Dunleavy will be options 2 & 3. That is if Tinsley decides to shoot less & pass more.

    Murphy can make the defense pay for crowding O'Neal but I don't see him averaging more than 9 or 10 a game in both points as well as boards.

    Foster - Murphy - Harrison

    O'Neal - Diogu - Baston - Williams

    Granger - Dunleavy

    Daniels - Marshall

    Tinsley - Greene - Armstrong - McLeod

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