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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • #16
    Re: Magic Players?

    Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
    Sounds like a good time for me to jump back on board, if I was to get sucked back in. I'm gonna grab a current issue of Scrye and see what's what. Although my wife may kill me if I get back in. Thanks a lot for the comments, guys.

    Eindar and shade, you are NOT helping in getting my to stay away from that special brand of crack we call MTG. One thing that gets me, Shade, at gathings is that I SO do not fit the profile of a magic player. At times, I feel a tad self conscious at gatherings. Now this is a long shot, and I may be just flappin' my gums, but if by some fluke I get a wild hair and decide to check out the planar pre-release, I'd give you a holla and maybe we can meet up. (And yes, that sucks on where they moved the location to. Even I have a hard times finding parking there.)
    Don't worry, Scott. "Not fitting in" is a good thing in this case, as a good chunk of Magic players are pretty much how Eindar describes. It's getting a little better, but there still seem to be some lost causes out there.

    If you can find the newest InQuest, I would snag that over Scrye. Scrye hasn't been very good for years now, and it vastly overpriced ($5 or $6). At least IQ only sets you back 2 bucks. Both magazines pale greatly to the Duelist in its heyday, though.

    The Timeshifted cards in this look like very interesting so far. Black Wrath of God, Green Ball Lightning, White Force Spike...fun-looking stuff.

    I would love to see you there on Saturday. It would be cool to have someone to hang with, and if you can stick around for lunch we can grab a bite to eat during the IU game and I'll fill you in on whatever you want to know.

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    • #17
      Re: Magic Players?

      Originally posted by Eindar View Post
      Funny you should mention "feeling right at home". So I'm playing Magic Online, and my ranking online is pretty darn mediocre. So, I'm playing a Time Spiral draft (first weekend of release) against a guy with a fairly high ranking in my first match. I go out and beat him 2-0. Right as he's about to lose, he starts flipping out about why I'm not playing with my "real" account, and nobody that good has that crappy a ranking. I told him, "I grew up playing this style of Magic. It's not my fault you bumped into an old-school player."

      Sufficed to say, I'm really enjoying TS Block.

      Alas, I work this weekend, so no pre-release for me. I'm also bummed they would move it from the ICC. I work for the state, so I can park in the garage across the street for free. (Comes in REALLY handy for Gen Con).
      I just can't get into MTGO. A big part of the draw for me is the actual physical interaction, even if I don't like some of the people. It always makes me giggle when I beat someone and they get all pissy about it. Plus, I feel like I'm throwing money away. No discounts like you get in real life, you have to wait a few extra weeks for each new set to come out...bleh. I still play the old "Duel of the Planeswalkers" game from time to time, though.

      TS block is a dream for old-schoolers like us. I'm having the most fun in Standard since Invasion block.

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      • #18
        Re: Magic Players?

        So skaut and shade are less nerdy than most people who play magic no offense but come on you still play it.

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        • #19
          Re: Magic Players?

          Originally posted by Leisure Suit Larry View Post
          So skaut and shade are less nerdy than most people who play magic no offense but come on you still play it.
          Have you actually played the game? It takes a considerable amount of skill and intelligence to play the game effectively.

          And if you've ever met Scott, "nerdy" is the last word that would come to mind.

          I guess it's easy to throw stones when you're uninformed about the subject, isn't it?

          Feel free to come back when you can add something productive to the subject, because right now all you're doing is trolling.

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          • #20
            Re: Magic Players?

            Originally posted by Leisure Suit Larry View Post
            So skaut and shade are less nerdy than most people who play magic no offense but come on you still play it.

            Now, give us a list of everything you enjoy so I can pick them apart, one by one.

            Oh, that's right, that would be painful for you and low of me, I forgot.

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            • #21
              Re: Magic Players?

              What the hell is going on with Magic?

              I just got done playing the trial version of the online game for about an hour. What are they doing? Red cards that give you life? Puppeer is intersting. Isn't that a newer version of an older card? What did we use to make that deadly Tim combo where you could dink someone with Tim, then untap him again.? Oh, and what brutal red cards. Did land dustruction, hell, everything destruction get big again. Mindless and no fun to play, but effective if you pounce on your opponent early. Now if I can just track down a copy of Inquest. I can't seem to find a copy. Everyone seems to be sold out.
              Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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              • #22
                Re: Magic Players?

                Originally posted by Skaut_Ech View Post
                What the hell is going on with Magic?

                I just got done playing the trial version of the online game for about an hour. What are they doing? Red cards that give you life? Puppeer is intersting. Isn't that a newer version of an older card? What did we use to make that deadly Tim combo where you could dink someone with Tim, then untap him again.? Oh, and what brutal red cards. Did land dustruction, hell, everything destruction get big again. Mindless and no fun to play, but effective if you pounce on your opponent early. Now if I can just track down a copy of Inquest. I can't seem to find a copy. Everyone seems to be sold out.
                The entire theme behind the current block is that everything is in chaos, and multiple realities are merging into each other. Planar Chaos is like an "alternate present", in which certain cards have been "timeshifted" into other colors. These cards can be differentiated by the white text on the card and slightly different-looking card fronts. Black now has a Wrath of God, White a Drop of Honey,Green a Ball Lightning and Library of Alexandria on a stick, and so on. 45 of the 165 cards in the set are "timeshifted."

                It's definitely going to be different, that's for sure. White counterspells, Green card-drawing, Blue discard...Black even has a pseudo-Time Walk in this set (Temporal Extortion).

                And yes, there's a Red "Tim" now.

                If you want to check out the nearly-complete spoiler, go here:

                http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=62064

                It should be finished just before the perelease on Saturday.

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                • #23
                  Re: Magic Players?

                  Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                  I got some pokemon cards. Who trying to play, I used beat dudes for their lunch money back in the 6th grade. That turtle was a bad boy, had two cannons coming out his shell, looking like a tank.

                  You mean Blastoise.
                  That'll do.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Magic Players?

                    Originally posted by Shade View Post
                    The entire theme behind the current block is that everything is in chaos, and multiple realities are merging into each other. Planar Chaos is like an "alternate present", in which certain cards have been "timeshifted" into other colors. These cards can be differentiated by the white text on the card and slightly different-looking card fronts. Black now has a Wrath of God, White a Drop of Honey,Green a Ball Lightning and Library of Alexandria on a stick, and so on. 45 of the 165 cards in the set are "timeshifted."

                    It's definitely going to be different, that's for sure. White counterspells, Green card-drawing, Blue discard...Black even has a pseudo-Time Walk in this set (Temporal Extortion).

                    And yes, there's a Red "Tim" now.

                    If you want to check out the nearly-complete spoiler, go here:

                    http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=62064

                    It should be finished just before the perelease on Saturday.


                    I would advise not looking at the spoilers. You have no idea how sweet it was getting 2 wheel of fates at the time spiral prerelease without even knowing about them.
                    That'll do.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Magic Players?

                      Scott, pig:

                      If either of you wants to meet up at the prerelease, I plan to be there around 8am and will probably be there until 8 pm or so. I'll be pretty much parked at the drafting tables for the day. Just LMK and we'll pick a rendezvous site.

                      Btw, the full spoiler is up. I need to get me some Damnations, Extirpates, and Tombs of Yawgmoth for the BR deck I'm building.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Magic Players?

                        Man, I'm still debating. I've been trying to find a copy of Scrye, Inquest, anything...and everyone is sold out. I just want to be better informed before I think about making the plunge again.

                        I bought a core pack, just to play around with and I've been playing online to get a feel for things again. Then there's another consideration.

                        When I played, we had a rotating group of about 6-12 guys who used to meet every Friday and throw down. We'd usually go from 7 pm. till around 3 or 4 in the morning. I'd have to find a new place to play. Does any store even host Magic nights anymore?

                        If I do decide to go, I'll let you know and we can meet up. I'd hate to go, not even knowing what I want to look for in cards.

                        BTW, part of my hesitation is that I am so used to dual lands. Hell, I USED to have a complete set of lengendary land. Playing with just one color will be hard although this new set seems to adress that indirectly with crossover spells.

                        BTW, I'm gonna send you a myspace friend request, Shade.
                        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Magic Players?

                          Yeah, I can't find the new InQuest either. I broke down and got a subscription because it always seems to be hard to find. I don't know where you live, but the Comic Carnival on the east side has the newest Scrye.

                          There are a couple stores that still play Magic on Friday nights. The biggest place is off of 116th and Allisonville. But those guys are typically serious tournament players, so it's not the best setting for casual players. I used to have a group not long ago but lost most of them to World of Warcraft.

                          If you want a little more info, check out the official Magic site. It's usually pretty informative.

                          I don't know if you've ever drafted before, but it's a blast. I love to go to the prereleases just to get new cards early and draft. I'm pretty good at it, too.

                          And there are new dual lands now, but they're not quite as powerful. They require you to pay 2 life or they come into play tapped, which isn't a bad deal by today's standards. But otherwise, they're identical to the original duals.

                          Here are some recent comparisons to old cards:




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                          • #28
                            Re: Magic Players?

                            Originally posted by Shade
                            Scott, pig:

                            If either of you wants to meet up at the prerelease, I plan to be there around 8am and will probably be there until 8 pm or so. I'll be pretty much parked at the drafting tables for the day. Just LMK and we'll pick a rendezvous site.

                            Btw, the full spoiler is up. I need to get me some Damnations, Extirpates, and Tombs of Yawgmoth for the BR deck I'm building.


                            Well, if I do get to go, i'll get there about 3:00-5:00. Is the place they moved the prerelease close to the convention center

                            I need to know where it is.

                            Edit: You're going to be there for 12 Hours!!!!!!!!!!! wow.
                            That'll do.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Magic Players?

                              Yeah, it's at the Crowne Plaza, which isn't far from the Convention Center. It's kind of between the center and the RCA Dome.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Magic Players?

                                Intersting cards. Maybe there is hope of playing a two color deck. I was real big on Blue/Black control decks.

                                I at least found a couple of issues of Scrye, so I'll read them today. Where do you guys play when you play with others? Someone's house? A store? I think I'm at about %75 on on going tommorow, even though I'm sure I'll get my *** kicked. Might be nice to get the new cards early.
                                Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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