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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Who will not be a Pacer next season?

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  • Who will not be a Pacer next season?

    Will DA return? Will Marshall or Powell be given another year? Will Sarunas and Baston be on the the 2007-2008 roster?

    No, no, yes!

    Anyone else leaving?

  • #2
    Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

    I think DA retires, the injury almost demands it even if his heart doesn't.

    I think depending on the minutes you see Rawle and Powell brought back. Of course if either see 700-800 minutes and show lots of struggles that could change things, but I think so far their promise remains. Baston and Saras seem certain to return next year.

    If things go south I think the changes would involve the heavy-hitters first. However, right now things look on track to me so I don't see this as an issue.

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    • #3
      Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

      I think the bigger question is who will not be a Pacer this season?
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      • #4
        Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

        Wayyyyyyyyy too early to give a reasonable answer to this question IMO.

        Regards,

        Mourning
        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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        • #5
          Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

          Way too early to say. Management may even want to rethink some things and build more in mind with what we are, not what we are not. (Once they know what we have better by later in the season... or season's end).

          And then what are some of the contract scenarios? Who's locked up and who has options?

          And does DW retire? If so, does that paralyze us (at least temporarily by the new front office wanting to go slow before diving in headfirst) or does it open up the auction barn door? ...Or does it not change a thing?

          I still see this season as a transition year.

          -Bball
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

          ------

          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • #6
            Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

            If someone leaving it going be DA for sure since it been said it his last year..

            but i want keep JO and Danny at all cost... everyone else work on there games...
            IF YOU A PACER FAN DONT BASH TO THE PACERS..!!!!!

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            • #7
              Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

              I let Larry make those decisions.

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              • #8
                Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                the way tonights game panned out...and if things stay the way they are...i wouldn't be suprised if some of us wouldn't be a Pacer next season....

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                • #9
                  Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                  David Harrison is gone,

                  watch

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                  • #10
                    Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                    David Harrison is gone,

                    watch

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                    • #11
                      Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                      Reggie Miller
                      http://Twitter.com/dRealSource

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                      • #12
                        Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                        Originally posted by denyfizle View Post
                        Reggie Miller
                        he's retiring~!?NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
                        "GIMMIE DAT!"-DANGER

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                        • #13
                          Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                          I predict Fred Jones won't be a Pacer next season. Here's a story on Fred from today's paper in Portland:

                          http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/ore...530.xml&coll=7

                          Address changes, purpose remains
                          Barlow's Fred Jones keeps helping others even as he settles in with the Raptors
                          Sunday, December 24, 2006
                          MIKE TOKITO

                          Fred Jones sat in the visiting locker room at the Rose Garden on Friday 90 minutes before his team, the Toronto Raptors, would play the Trail Blazers.

                          He had about 60 tickets, some for friends and family, and others for youngsters who would attend the game through his charitable foundation. Jones sat there calmly, sorting them.

                          In many ways, the chore was a fitting symbol for Jones' 2006-07 season. In his fifth NBA season, Jones -- a 6-foot-2 former Barlow High School and University of Oregon guard -- is in his first season with the Raptors, trying to remain centered while sorting the transition's many challenges.

                          "I'm finally starting to feel comfortable," said Jones, who scored 12 points in the Raptors' 101-100 overtime victory. "It'll be all right. It'll be fine."

                          Two nights before, Jones had scored a season-high 23 points in a win over the Los Angeles Clippers. But in the previous four games, he totaled 14 points. That has been Jones' pattern this season, going through stretches of double-figure scoring games followed by games where he has struggled to make shots. After averaging 14.5 points in eight exhibition games, Jones is averaging 9.6 points and shooting 39.2 percent from the field in the regular season.

                          "It was up in the preseason, it's been down during the season, and now hopefully it's on the way back up," Jones said.

                          Raptors coach Sam Mitchell -- who like Blazers coach Nate McMillan is trying to rebuild a losing team with a crop of new players -- started Jones in nine games in November. Jones, however, shot 32 percent as a starter and he has come off the bench since Dec. 1 (he is shooting 43.8 percent coming off the bench).

                          Mitchell told Toronto media that Jones' shooting percentage and scoring aren't a major concern.

                          "Maybe he is doing something on the court that's helping us in other areas," Mitchell said. "You guys look at field-goal percentage, I look at the defense, the rebounding, being where he's supposed to be, all those other things."

                          For his part, Jones refused to blame the change of scenery or his place in the Raptors' rotation for his shooting struggles.

                          "I just haven't played well," Jones said. "I put that on me."

                          It's been a tumultuous year for Jones. He spent his first four NBA seasons with the Indiana Pacers, who at times seemed on the verge of becoming serious title contenders, and at other times seemed the most controversial team in the league, especially after their infamous 2004 brawl with the Detroit Pistons.

                          In late June, the Pacers tendered a qualifying offer to Jones, which made him a restricted free agent, meaning Indiana had the right to match any team's offer, and making it likely Jones would remain with the Pacers. However, in mid-July, after two weeks of the free agent signing period had passed, the Pacers rescinded the offer. Instead of remaining with the Pacers, Jones signed a three-year, $11 million contract with the Raptors.

                          "I couldn't control what Indiana does," Jones said. "They made a decision. They went in a different direction. I'm happy with my situation."

                          Jones, in fact, says he feels the Raptors style of play is a better fit for the high-flying athleticism that helped him win the 2004 NBA slam dunk contest. Indiana focused on running its offense through center Jermaine O'Neal, whereas Toronto plays a more uptempo style.

                          "Definitely, it's a better fit," Jones said. "I just have to learn how to get back into that system. I played in that system in college, and then to be shackled with stuff in Indiana for four years, you have to re-adjust and re-learn how to play that style."

                          Jones has started becoming active in his new professional hometown. Earlier this season, he held a bowling event for a group of single-parent Toronto families. It was an extension of Jones' faith-based charitable efforts grounded in the New Hope Missionary Baptist Church in North Portland, where he spent his Sundays as a youngster.

                          "I've started doing some things in Toronto, but Portland is home," Jones said. "This is where we started doing everything."

                          Indeed, on Thursday, Jones was at the University of Oregon's Duck Shop in downtown Portland for a toy drive and autograph signing. This summer, he was host of the Freddie Jones Summer Slam, a two-day event that included sports and music and raised money for his foundation. Many of his efforts help single-parent families, a cause he was inspired to take up after watching his older sister, Mickie, a single mother, raise his nephew Dustin, now 16.

                          For Jones, his charitable efforts and the peace he seeks to take on his professional challenges are rooted in the same place. If the Pacers didn't want him and the Raptors did, there is a reason, he said.

                          "I believe in God, I believe this is the situation he wanted me to be in," Jones said. "He would never put me in a situation I couldn't handle. This is his plan, this is where he wanted me."

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                          • #14
                            Re: Who will not be a Pacer next season?

                            I was thinking of JO not being here next season, didn't he make a promise or something?
                            Maceo Baston's #1 fan on Pacers Digest!

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