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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #16
    Re: Need advice on an HDTV

    Hey guys, I'm thinking about selling some stuff to combine with my Christmas money and taking a crack at this again. I may be able to get about $800 together, though I don't know if that would be enough for everything I need. Any suggestions?

    Btw, I would prefer the following if possible:

    - LCD over plasma
    - built-in tuner
    - widescreen over 4:3
    - at least 720p, since I have a PS3
    - at least a one-year warranty

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    • #17
      Re: Need advice on an HDTV

      not sure if you wanted a flat panel tv, but i found this tube HDTV for under $500...not sure if you are interested but here is the link to it at bestbuy.com

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1130981881933
      If you havin' depth problems, I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but a bench ain't one! - Hicks
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      • #18
        Re: Need advice on an HDTV

        What are the reviews on the Olevia sets looking like? I'm seeing these at good prices at some stores. Seems like Office Depot and HH Gregg stock them.

        I'm not saying they are the way to go (I know nothing about them)... just that the price is right and would be worth digging up reviews from experienced users and see if it is a bargain or a 'get what you pay for'.

        -Bball.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

        ------

        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • #19
          Re: Need advice on an HDTV

          I bought a Wal-Mart brand HDTV and haven't had any problems so far. Yet I have a feeling I'm going to get screwed by not getting a warranty (not the tv itself but just my past luck with not getting them).

          http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=3757024
          Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
          I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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          • #20
            Re: Need advice on an HDTV

            Why the hang-up on a built-in tuner?

            Any recent HD cable box or dish receiver is going to do all your tuner work anyway. Main thing is a couple of DVI/HDMI inputs, 2-3 component inputs that will sync at least from 480p up to 1080i (my Samsung is a couple of years old and has one 480i/480p only that I put the PS2 on).

            If you can get up to 1080 progressive instead you'd be better off. That's then end of the line for the new ATSC standard which means it's not about to get outdated on a national broadcast level in the next few years due to technology, just like it took well past the tech ability to do more to finally get the old NTSC standard moved aside.

            But 1080p has just hit so it costs more (its tough to scan/refresh that much at a prog rate, thus the cost).


            If you aren't required to stick flat then a solid DLP set is a good bet. LCD and plasma don't refresh as quickly and are blocky/blurry in comparison. Liquid Crystal on Silicon - LCOS isn't a bad technology either, though a few years ago it was pretty flawed with its own refresh issues (like shadows lingering).

            Right now LCD tech is quickly gaining on plasma and IMO looks to blow past it both in ability and price, so if you must have a flat panel then LCDs are probably where you need to be looking.

            But the depth on a mid-sized DLP (40") is pretty thin.


            Cheapies vs good sets (like Samsung, Mitsu) can be in the line doubler/DSP chip (Faroudja chips are top notch), the amount of inputs, the quality of the components, or even the menu system.


            Of course a big thing with all of this is that when not placed side by side most HDTVs will look great and be indistinguishable to the average joe.


            BTW, I had my Samsung DLP shipped and got a better price for it. Also had my mid-level Denon receiver shipped as well. Both came in safe and sound. So don't limit your options to the generally AWFUL local selection (either poor options or bad prices - this means you Ovation).

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            • #21
              Re: Need advice on an HDTV

              Well, to be honest, my HDTV knowledge is pretty minimal. I assume I'm going to have to buy a tuner at some point, so I may as well get one built in. Besides, this is all I'm going to be able to spend on the HDTV experience for quite some time.

              Right now it looks like my range will be more in the $500-700 range. What do you guys think of these?

              http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1142301899352

              http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=4529481

              http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/OLEVI...oductDetail.do

              Bear in mind I also have a PS3, so I'd like to get as close to the full HD experience as I can for the money.

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              • #22
                Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                Shade,
                I think I've seen that Olevia even cheaper unless I was looking at a 'tunerless' model.

                Check out Office Depot sales and Fryes (outpost.com). Also Comp USA. HH Gregg too.

                It was on sale somewhere. I think 599.00 got you a 32" model even.

                Also... there should be some sales leading up to the Superbowl. If I was you I'd make sure to pickup a Sunday Indy Star and check the sale flyers closely each week.

                And always search for forum reviews of the TV your interested in (Google is your friend). And try to find a concensus. Don't let one or two posters' reviews scare you off or sell you on a set. An idiot or someone less than a little tech savvy may not like a set because they are misusing it and don't realize it (you'd be surprised at the people who have an HD set but aren't watching HD material on it for whatever reason... but think they are).

                Conversely, if someone has had a 19" B/W TV and rabbit ears that they've used for years then they will absolutely LOVE any HDTV and never notice flaws or issues that others would pick up on.

                -Bball
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                ------

                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #23
                  Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                  I see that LG has released a dvd player that will do both HD and BRay formats plus upconvert. Only a small amount at $1,200 dolars and with both formats movies pushing the $25 to $30 dollar range is there really any reason to wait?
                  You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                  • #24
                    Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                    Hey shade, I hear Toshiba makes a great HDTV

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                    • #25
                      Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                      Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      Shade,
                      I think I've seen that Olevia even cheaper unless I was looking at a 'tunerless' model.

                      Check out Office Depot sales and Fryes (outpost.com). Also Comp USA. HH Gregg too.

                      It was on sale somewhere. I think 599.00 got you a 32" model even.

                      Also... there should be some sales leading up to the Superbowl. If I was you I'd make sure to pickup a Sunday Indy Star and check the sale flyers closely each week.

                      And always search for forum reviews of the TV your interested in (Google is your friend). And try to find a concensus. Don't let one or two posters' reviews scare you off or sell you on a set. An idiot or someone less than a little tech savvy may not like a set because they are misusing it and don't realize it (you'd be surprised at the people who have an HD set but aren't watching HD material on it for whatever reason... but think they are).

                      Conversely, if someone has had a 19" B/W TV and rabbit ears that they've used for years then they will absolutely LOVE any HDTV and never notice flaws or issues that others would pick up on.

                      -Bball
                      I was thinking around the Super Bowl might be the best time. I have about $600 saved up now, and that will probably be about my limit, give or take a few bucks. Some other expenses creeped up on me (dentist) that I need to take care of soon.

                      The consensus on that Olevia seems to be that the picture quality is outstanding, but the sound isn't that great, and the remote is horrible. Though I'm sure I could eventually upgrade both of those. Nothng's going to be perfect at my price point.

                      I actually went to Wal-Mart and took a look at the Sanyo, but the picture seemed slightly blurry to me compared to the models that were only $100-200 more expensive.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                        Originally posted by RWB View Post
                        I see that LG has released a dvd player that will do both HD and BRay formats plus upconvert. Only a small amount at $1,200 dolars and with both formats movies pushing the $25 to $30 dollar range is there really any reason to wait?
                        Yeah, I saw that. Pretty cool. Of course, I already have a PS3, so I was going to slowly start upgrading to Blu-Ray anyway.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                          Originally posted by Gyron View Post
                          Hey shade, I hear Toshiba makes a great HDTV
                          I heard they made great laptops too.

                          Just for that, after I burn down the (Toshiba) building, I'm coming over to your house and burning it down too. Right after I leave the mangled Toshiba laptop on your doorstep with a knife through it and a note that reads "You."

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                          • #28
                            Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            I actually went to Wal-Mart and took a look at the Sanyo, but the picture seemed slightly blurry to me compared to the models that were only $100-200 more expensive.

                            Listen to Bball, not me. But I've always found that at Wal-Mart the picture always looks bad. Unless Wal-Mart recently changed, I don't believe they get an HD signal

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                            • #29
                              Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              Listen to Bball, not me. But I've always found that at Wal-Mart the picture always looks bad. Unless Wal-Mart recently changed, I don't believe they get an HD signal

                              Well, I mean the other HDTVs displayed right next it were notiably clearer, and many of them were not that much more expensive (still out of my price range, though ).

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                              • #30
                                Re: Need advice on an HDTV

                                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                                Well, I mean the other HDTVs displayed right next it were notiably clearer, and many of them were not that much more expensive (still out of my price range, though ).
                                Shade - I must admit I don't really know what I'm talking about, I should really just stay out of it. But does Wal-Mart get an HD signal. If they do, do they have all their HD TV's getting an HD signal. Seems to me if I wanted to sell a certain TV I'd give that TV an HD signal and the TV I didn't want to sell I wouldn't.

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