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  • #16
    Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

    See Peck this when I love your posts, you are speaking the real here. Jermaine had a good game and you pointed it out with no hate. When he has a bad one you can point that out also. But no need to hate on him for no reason all the time, you are much better like this.

    Great post.

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    • #17
      Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

      When he plays like this & as a team everybody gets theirs it can be fun for everyone. This is why I was so dissapointed by the post game meeting after game 8
      That meeting was to create exactly what you liked vs Detroit. The team was running most of their sets featuring JO at the elbow, like that low post curl for guards off the 5 that JO would feed or the high PnR where JO would sit at the other elbow if the PG couldn't feed the 5 (Al, Baston, Harrison, Foster typically) going down the lane to post in front of the rim.

      Since then they have been running a lot more sets with JO closer to the baseline and a more familiar half court game. Last night you saw the bench run a little, but a big chunk of the main starter offense worked out of the low post or PnR scores by Tins/Saras.

      That was what JO was talking about, at least how it was presented publically. IMO Rick agreed and it's been working, along with the Foster/Danny switch and figuring out how to best rotate in the bench (doing more to always keep a couple of starters on the court).

      Anyone else notice a trend over the years - JO plays better after a few games off. Please don't infer this as a negative comment - I just think I've noticed a trend.
      So did Reggie. That was a major point about his final season for example.

      And beyond that I'd have to say that JO has clearly been the best player on the team all year and had MANY really brilliant games so far.

      When you tries to power through players - his shot gets blocked as often as it doesn't.
      A couple of his best makes were going through the double team (when it didn't come hard enough) and then pushing up the shot right against Sheed. I will agree that in the past Sheed has had an advantage on this, but lately I think JO is just flat-out looking better than he did a lot of last season in this one regard (strength on interior shots).

      meeting the guys at almost the half court line was Jackson. He even beat Armstrong out there.

      He genuinely looked happy & was very very very supportive.

      Also, Mr. Cool, Jamaal Tinsley for some reason decided to be a rah-rah guy
      I've been saying this all year about Jack. He's definitely been bringing the postive side of his emotions this season. He always does, you just hope to get more of that and less of the frustration he displayed with Rick in CLE.

      Tinsley definitely has been making an effort to show his support. It's been noticable right out of the gate. My view has been all year that it's Armstrong refusing to ever go quietly, refusing to ever just sit there, that has infected the rest of the team. Here's an old vet seeing mostly bench time and he's acting like every game is for the title and you are playing with your friends in the backyard.

      To me that constant talking reminds guys to stay in it, and he makes it cool to express yourself more.


      Granger mixing up his offense - exactly what I've been happy about the last 3-4 games from him. He's been coached on that clearly, or maybe RC changed the actual offense to cut down on situations where he was being asked to camp the 3 if that was the case.

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      • #18
        Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        Billups is a very good defender but for whatever he has a lot of trouble with Tinsley
        Hmm, maybe a little but I'd characterize most of their meetings as Billups punishing Tinsley with his strength at both ends and clearly winning the matchup.

        CB...err, I mean MN,CB started to get it going last night, but it didn't get out of control. I also thought Tinsley handled him and their pressure much better than normal.

        Twice when they trapped him and forced him to pick up his dribble he bailed himself out by putting it off a player's leg. The only reason he got stuck in those spots is because someone like Shawe would let their man come way back to trap and they wouldn't stay close enough themselves to protect the passing lane over to them to get out of the trap. Long lobs out of traps are risky if you aren't in a really wide-open space with no one to throw over top of (guys left Tins in that spot a few times).

        Back to Tins vs Billups, I need to look at some box scores on that because my memory was that Billups vs Tinsley was a big reason why they eliminated the Pacers in back to back playoffs. I realize in the first one Tins was hurt, but that doesn't mean he had success, it just explains why he struggled.

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        • #19
          Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

          Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
          I don't think it's David Simon. Maybe David Morway? Maybe someone else can help us out.....


          Danny does some stretches with a giant rubber band while DA tries to work off some excess energy just after tipoff.........

          I don't know who that is but it definatley not David Morway

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          • #20
            Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

            Anyone notice that Rick is starting to use Sarunas as a "zonebuster"?

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            • #21
              Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

              Originally posted by rexnom
              I think with his improved conditioning, JO has been doing better this year with that but I believe you are correct to some extent. I attribute that to him being one of the few players in the NBA that play hard on both sides of the ball and are expected to dominate on both sides as well.

              Why are their so many misconceptions about JO? Since when do educated fans expect a guy averaging 18PPG to dominate.

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              • #22
                Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                Originally posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
                Why are their so many misconceptions about JO? Since when do educated fans expect a guy averaging 18PPG to dominate.
                Because someone needs to do and no one else on our team is capable to the same extent JO is?

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                • #23
                  Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                  Originally posted by rexnom View Post
                  Don't you guys think we're too deep? Like we should maybe string together some quantity to get some more quality?

                  I'm not sure were too deep but I totally agree with the premise. I'd like to see us trade a couple of "C" players for a couple of "B" players. After you get past the first 6/7 guys the talent level drops significantly. I know many will disagree with the players I'm about to name but it's the idea I ask you to consider.

                  Maybe Runi for Damon Stoudamire. The salaries match. This is his 12th year in the league and he's lost some of his athletic ability. He doesn't have trouble with pressure defense. He has about 50 games of playoff experience. He's shot 36% from beyond the arc in his career. He distributes the ball well. He's a solid vet who at 33 won't have a problem coming off the bench for the Pacers.

                  Maybe Daniels and Harrison for Corey Maggette. He doesn't have much of a three but he rebounds the ball well and is a proven scorer who could be a real threat off the bench behind Jack. He gets to the line.

                  Maybe Baston and Powell/Marshall for Lorenzen Wright. He's only one year older than Maceo but is entering his 11th season. He's a solid rebounder at over 10 per 48 and over 7 offensive per 48.

                  Imagine this

                  Jamaal Tinsley
                  Stephen Jackson
                  Al Harrington
                  Jermaine O'Neal
                  Jeff Foster

                  Corey Maggette
                  Damon Stoudamire
                  Danny Granger
                  Shawne Williams
                  Lorenzen Wright
                  Darrell Armstrong
                  Orien Greene
                  +3 free agent pickups

                  We'd still have young guys like Granger , Williams, & Greene for the future. Not to mention our starters are really in the prime of their careers right now. We'd have some solid vets coming off the bench.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                    Originally posted by Peskoe97 View Post
                    I don't know who that is but it definatley not David Morway
                    Sure looks like him to me.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                      Haha, Iverson for Reggie Miller

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                      • #26
                        Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                        That's like chuck person for Oscar robertson.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                          Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                          I'm not sure were too deep but I totally agree with the premise. I'd like to see us trade a couple of "C" players for a couple of "B" players. After you get past the first 6/7 guys the talent level drops significantly. I know many will disagree with the players I'm about to name but it's the idea I ask you to consider.

                          Maybe Runi for Damon Stoudamire. The salaries match. This is his 12th year in the league and he's lost some of his athletic ability. He doesn't have trouble with pressure defense. He has about 50 games of playoff experience. He's shot 36% from beyond the arc in his career. He distributes the ball well. He's a solid vet who at 33 won't have a problem coming off the bench for the Pacers.

                          Maybe Daniels and Harrison for Corey Maggette. He doesn't have much of a three but he rebounds the ball well and is a proven scorer who could be a real threat off the bench behind Jack. He gets to the line.

                          Maybe Baston and Powell/Marshall for Lorenzen Wright. He's only one year older than Maceo but is entering his 11th season. He's a solid rebounder at over 10 per 48 and over 7 offensive per 48.

                          Imagine this

                          Jamaal Tinsley
                          Stephen Jackson
                          Al Harrington
                          Jermaine O'Neal
                          Jeff Foster

                          Corey Maggette
                          Damon Stoudamire
                          Danny Granger
                          Shawne Williams
                          Lorenzen Wright
                          Darrell Armstrong
                          Orien Greene
                          +3 free agent pickups

                          We'd still have young guys like Granger , Williams, & Greene for the future. Not to mention our starters are really in the prime of their careers right now. We'd have some solid vets coming off the bench.
                          All interesting proposals. Marquis is so tough. I think he'd garner interest. At the same time I want to believe he could still break out at some point-perhaps like he did with Dallas in his starting stint. But there's been absolutely no sign. Add in the obvious lack of playing time and well...

                          I like Mighty Mouse a lot, but as a bench player is he that much better than Sarunas? Would be good if Tins went down though as a plug in. Magette I like as well, but the difficulties. Would he accept backing up Jack? Is he better? Would it allow us to more easily disassociate if he has more flare ups? I'm not predicting he will. Would Jack go back to the bench?
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                          -Emiliano Zapata

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                          • #28
                            Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                            I believe Sarunas is too valuable to the offensive movement and overall
                            TEAM PLAY to trade away. He and Tinsley are really starting to develope
                            something special. No way to that trade.

                            Marquis and Harrison for Magette maybe or maybe just Marquis.
                            It is always nice to have an additional big around who can contribute
                            better than some of the bigmen the Pacers have had in the past at the
                            end of the bench. Dreiling,Stuart Gray, etc
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                            • #29
                              Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                              Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                              Anyone notice that Rick is starting to use Sarunas as a "zonebuster"?
                              Maybe Sarunas has started to earn the right to be used as a zonebuster?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Some quick odd thoughts about beating Detroit....

                                Originally posted by PacerMan View Post
                                Maybe Sarunas has started to earn the right to be used as a zonebuster?

                                Most certainly. Detroit went into a zone and within a few plays Sarunas was on the court making plays. I think the coaching staff found a good niche for him with the double PG set.

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