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  • Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

    377 yards. :shakehead

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    Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

    10-3 Woo Hoo!!!

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      Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

      Worst 10-3 team in NFL history.

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        Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        Worst 10-3 team in NFL history.
        Here's an idea: Root for a different team if you hate them so. No one's making you root for the "worst 10-3 team in NFL history." Go cheer for the Cardinals or something, for chrissakes.

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          Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

          Originally posted by Shade View Post
          377 yards. :shakehead
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          2007 Super Bowl XLI Champions!

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            Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

            Originally posted by Just View Post
            Here's an idea: Root for a different team if you hate them so. No one's making you root for the "worst 10-3 team in NFL history." Go cheer for the Cardinals or something, for chrissakes.
            Unfortunately, I'm not a bandwagon fan. I may go down with the ship, but I'm taking others with me this time.

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              Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

              Originally posted by Just View Post
              Here's an idea: Root for a different team if you hate them so. No one's making you root for the "worst 10-3 team in NFL history." Go cheer for the Cardinals or something, for chrissakes.
              We're pissed because, deep in our hearts, we love the Colts. Otherwise we wouldn't care about posting anymore.

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                Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                I may go down with the ship, but I'm taking others with me this time.

                OR... you could take the high road and realize that one bad game is not the end of the world...

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                  Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                  Originally posted by Just View Post
                  OR... you could take the high road and realize that one bad game is not the end of the world...
                  One bad game? How about the LAST FOUR YEARS?

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                    Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                    Originally posted by Shade View Post
                    One bad game? How about the LAST FOUR YEARS?

                    Yeah, the last four years have just been HORRIBLE.... God have pity on us poor Colts fans... puh-leaze! Grow up or something! Appreciate what we've been able to cheer for!

                    How come when the Colts do well in the regular season, everyone just says "Well it doesn't really matter for the Colts until the postseason," but when we happen to struggle for a few games in the regular season, it's suddenly the end of the freakin' world? RELAX and just wait for the playoffs... sheesh...

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                      Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                      Originally posted by Just View Post
                      OR... you could take the high road and realize that one bad game is not the end of the world...
                      Or maybe some of us realize that the defense is --once again-- going to prevent the Colts from even sniffing a Super Bowl.

                      We just want something done about it. And we're not going to get our hopes up. We've had them crushed a few times. Can you imagine if the Colts play San Diego in the playoffs? Can you say best playoff game ever by a running back?

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                        Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                        Originally posted by Just
                        Yeah, the last four years have just been HORRIBLE.... God have pity on us poor Colts fans... puh-leaze! Grow up or something! Appreciate what we've been able to cheer for!

                        How come when the Colts do well in the regular season, everyone just says "Well it doesn't really matter for the Colts until the postseason," but when we happen to struggle for a few games in the regular season, it's suddenly the end of the freakin' world? RELAX and just wait for the playoffs... sheesh...
                        Appreciate what? Being teased over and over and over and over again, just to watch us accomplish NOTHING? And yet, the people running this organization (into the ground) continue to make the same mistake year after year after year after year. How many times does the defense have to fail to realize that adjustments need to be made? How many times do you have to get shocked before you stop sticking a fork in the light socket?

                        We have completely wasted one of the best offensive lines in NFL history because we're too cheap/incompetent to get anything done. Not only should Dungy and this horrendous, laughable excuse for a defense be out the door, but Polian should be as well. I'm sick of this miserable, conservative failure year after year after year. And yet, the majority of fans STILL manage to get suckered in over and over and over again, despite the fact that nothing's changed. It's mind-boggling.

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                          Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                          Originally posted by Just
                          Yeah, the last four years have just been HORRIBLE.... God have pity on us poor Colts fans... puh-leaze! Grow up or something! Appreciate what we've been able to cheer for!

                          How come when the Colts do well in the regular season, everyone just says "Well it doesn't really matter for the Colts until the postseason," but when we happen to struggle for a few games in the regular season, it's suddenly the end of the freakin' world? RELAX and just wait for the playoffs... sheesh...
                          When you see the same basic problem(s) come back to haunt the team year after year it's a problem that needs addressed. Every year we hear the same things and are led to believe this year will be different. Then the old Achilles heel bubbles under the surface game after game. We hear there's nothing wrong that can't be fixed with better execution altho the fans and pundits are skeptical. We're told everything is fine and coming together. Teams pick at the scab. By the time we get in the stretch run, reality starts to smack us in the face. What we believed all along is coming to fruition: The defense sucks. The scheme and personnel play right into the hands of opposing teams because it lets them play ball control and put pressure on the Colt offense. And it lets them keep the Colt offense on the sidelines.

                          And when the offense plays under pressure that is when mistakes happen. Give the Colts the run and see how long Peyton can be patient before forcing one or before someone else makes a mistake. Even if the Colts play the perfect offensive game, can the run defense ever stop the other team?

                          I realize the idea is for the Colts to play defense from the lead but teams are figuring out they don't have to play a typical game even if they trail. They don't have to go to the air more just because they are trailing because they can gain plenty of yardage on the ground via the Colts' porous defense. The front 4 is no match for opposing O lines and running backs (and once you get past them with a head of steam and not even a bump, you have a good shot at seeing exactly what you need and making good decisions on (following) blocking). Why throw long when you can run long?? By being so 'giving' on the running game the Colts play right into the hands of what the other team wants: Keeping the Colt offense on the sidelines and making them have to maximize each possession (ie: put them under pressure).

                          The recipe was already out there but now there's plenty of game tapes showing that it works so the opposition can play with plenty of confidence.

                          And while we're on the subject... Freeney gets figured out every year by the last qtr of the season. This year the opposition just used that info all season long to minimize him... actually to take advantage of him and turn a Colt strength into actually a weakness. You'd think somewhere between the player and coaches, they would address that.

                          And on another subject... I don't think Dungy is ever going to be accused of being a master motivator and it may be time to start asking if this team could use some motivation and someone pressing them to be the best they can be. OTOH, the defense is so undersized and underwhelming that it's pretty easy to see why their confidence would be crushed and only making things worse. Maybe there is some heart there, but I'm not sure Dungy is the one to get it out of them. But should a defense be put on the field that is this poorly constructed year after year and waste the contending years of this offense?

                          The new stadium is a done deal so this shouldn't be a problem that is a business decision (we don't need fool's gold to sell the product). It's a poor football decision. And I said elsewhere, I believe Irsay wants this team to win a championship so I don't blame him. But someone under him needs to be making some hard decisions. ...And he needs to be holding some people accountable.

                          My fear is the problem is Polian is just too stubborn to address the defense because so many people are saying the team can't win (in the playoffs) with things this out of balance. So Polian is trying to prove them wrong because he thinks he's the smartest man in the room. And Dungy is too laidback to make waves about it.

                          -Bball
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                            Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                            Originally posted by Bball View Post
                            When you see the same basic problem(s) come back to haunt the team year after year it's a problem that needs addressed. Every year we hear the same things and are led to believe this year will be different. Then the old Achilles heel bubbles under the surface game after game. We hear there's nothing wrong that can't be fixed with better execution altho the fans and pundits are skeptical. We're told everything is fine and coming together. Teams pick at the scab. By the time we get in the stretch run, reality starts to smack us in the face. What we believed all along is coming to fruition: The defense sucks. The scheme and personnel play right into the hands of opposing teams because it lets them play ball control and put pressure on the Colt offense. And it lets them keep the Colt offense on the sidelines.

                            And when the offense plays under pressure that is when mistakes happen. Give the Colts the run and see how long Peyton can be patient before forcing one or before someone else makes a mistake. Even if the Colts play the perfect offensive game, can the run defense ever stop the other team?

                            I realize the idea is for the Colts to play defense from the lead but teams are figuring out they don't have to play a typical game even if they trail. They don't have to go to the air more just because they are trailing because they can gain plenty of yardage on the ground via the Colts' porous defense. The front 4 is no match for opposing O lines and running backs (and once you get past them with a head of steam and not even a bump, you have a good shot at seeing exactly what you need and making good decisions on (following) blocking). Why throw long when you can run long?? By being so 'giving' on the running game the Colts play right into the hands of what the other team wants: Keeping the Colt offense on the sidelines and making them have to maximize each possession (ie: put them under pressure).

                            The recipe was already out there but now there's plenty of game tapes showing that it works so the opposition can play with plenty of confidence.

                            And while we're on the subject... Freeney gets figured out every year by the last qtr of the season. This year the opposition just used that info all season long to minimize him... actually to take advantage of him and turn a Colt strength into actually a weakness. You'd think somewhere between the player and coaches, they would address that.

                            And on another subject... I don't think Dungy is ever going to be accused of being a master motivator and it may be time to start asking if this team could use some motivation and someone pressing them to be the best they can be. OTOH, the defense is so undersized and underwhelming that it's pretty easy to see why their confidence would be crushed and only making things worse. Maybe there is some heart there, but I'm not sure Dungy is the one to get it out of them. But should a defense be put on the field that is this poorly constructed year after year and waste the contending years of this offense?

                            The new stadium is a done deal so this shouldn't be a problem that is a business decision (we don't need fool's gold to sell the product). It's a poor football decision. And I said elsewhere, I believe Irsay wants this team to win a championship so I don't blame him. But someone under him needs to be making some hard decisions. ...And he needs to be holding some people accountable.

                            My fear is the problem is Polian is just too stubborn to address the defense because so many people are saying the team can't win (in the playoffs) with things this out of balance. So Polian is trying to prove them wrong because he thinks he's the smartest man in the room. And Dungy is too laidback to make waves about it.

                            -Bball
                            i think you are pretty on the mark there. i agree 100%

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jags get second-most number of rushing yards in an NFL game

                              No - there have been at least 3 times teams gained over 400 yards in a game. 467 being the record I think.
                              The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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