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  • #16
    Re: Its time to blow this team up

    The problem isn't Carlisle. He doesn't make the trades. The problem isn't O'Neal. He plays well. The problem is a general lack of talent at center and shooting guard. Center is not as big of an issue because Foster gets rebounds.

    Let's face it, as a starting SG Stephen Jackson is not good. His shooting is poor, he's slow, he doesn't create for teammates, he is a horrible rebounder (and as one of the taller SG in the game it's a real shame), and he's obviously not a great character guy.

    The team needs a SG badly. Jackson is not it, Daniels is not it. I say it's Green time.

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    • #17
      Re: Its time to blow this team up

      Originally posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
      JO - Hurt already
      Jack - Causing problems already
      Tinsley - Too much of a gamble, hes increased his value use it

      Besides Feisty and possibly Harrison there is nobody from the Brawl team that I think should still be here.
      What the hell? Why are you on Tinsley. He's played great this year and hasn't done anything wrong. Everyone is going to have off nights in an 82 game season.

      Seriously, if we got a whole new team a lot of you would still be whining about how they are a bunch of thugs who don't care and how you wish Reggie was back (Reggie Miller is not walking through that door ). You'll never be satisfied.

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      • #18
        Re: Its time to blow this team up

        Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
        The problem isn't Carlisle. He doesn't make the trades. The problem isn't O'Neal. He plays well. The problem is a general lack of talent at center and shooting guard. Center is not as big of an issue because Foster gets rebounds.

        Let's face it, as a starting SG Stephen Jackson is not good. His shooting is poor, he's slow, he doesn't create for teammates, he is a horrible rebounder (and as one of the taller SG in the game it's a real shame), and he's obviously not a great character guy.

        The team needs a SG badly. Jackson is not it, Daniels is not it. I say it's Green time.
        Um, thats a horrible assesment of Jacks ability. Considering he is a scorer not a shooter. And his D is very solid. His Steals are well above League average for guards, and hsi Assists are slightly above it, yeah he doesn't create for team mates. And um since when is your SG supposed to rack up the Rebounding numbers.


        And my problem with Tinsley isn't anything he has done, its what are hte odds he stays healthy all year, like 10%. No thanks trade him while he has some value buitl up.

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        • #19
          Re: Its time to blow this team up

          Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
          I say it's Green time.
          Green?

          He's a defensive point guard, known to be a poor shooter.

          We need a "shooting guard," the kind that makes, you know, shots from the outside.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #20
            Re: Its time to blow this team up

            He's a scorer not a shooter? What is that supposed to mean? He gets about 12.5 points per game on under 40% shooting and jacks up threes.

            His D is okay sometimes, but he gets torched sometimes. He's far from a premier defender.

            When Jamaal Tinsley is outrebounding your 6'8 SG night it and night out, you have a problem rebounding.


            But go ahead, assess Jack's ability from your perspective.. I know enough about your history with defending him that this should be amusing.

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            • #21
              Re: Its time to blow this team up

              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              Green?

              He's a defensive point guard, known to be a poor shooter.

              We need a "shooting guard," the kind that makes, you know, shots from the outside.

              No "e". Gerald Green, not Orien Greene.

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              • #22
                Re: Its time to blow this team up

                Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
                No "e". Gerald Green, not Orien Greene.
                xcellent.
                "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                • #23
                  Re: Its time to blow this team up

                  Blow the team up? No. We have the right pieces but we need a star player that we can go to in crunch time and count on. J.O. is just a guy that we want to be the start player that we go to in crunch time, but he's not the right guy for that role. As much as most people here might disagree, I' going to say it. If there's any team in the league that has a use for Iverson, I think it's us more than anybody. What do we have to lose by at least making an attempt to get him, or just inquiring about what it would take? I'm sure the inquiry has already been made, but I doubt we'll get him.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Its time to blow this team up

                    lol @ Harrison.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Its time to blow this team up

                      I think that after losing one in a row with our our All Star out we should panic, panic, panic. That's the only logical thing to do.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Its time to blow this team up

                        Originally posted by Ev_eezy View Post
                        Blow the team up? No. We have the right pieces but we need a star player that we can go to in crunch time and count on. J.O. is just a guy that we want to be the start player that we go to in crunch time, but he's not the right guy for that role. As much as most people here might disagree, I' going to say it. If there's any team in the league that has a use for Iverson, I think it's us more than anybody. What do we have to lose by at least making an attempt to get him, or just inquiring about what it would take? I'm sure the inquiry has already been made, but I doubt we'll get him.
                        I have to go with the Celtics. To me, Iverson is their best bet. They aren't giving up on Pierce, and Iverson's game will fit Pierce's game. PP did great when Walker was jacking up shots, so welcome to the Answer ball.

                        For the Pacers, I can't think of a better description than blowing it up. Outside of the Knicks, there isn't any other team that needs a blow up more than the Pacers. When 2nd year players, scrub reserves, and a 38 year old are most people's favorite Pacers AND the most talked about on an educated forum like this, that screams blow up to me. Quis? Orion Greene? the former pacer, Flight? Marshall? Powell? Granger? That is pitiful.

                        Carlisle can't work with this bunch, Bird and Donnie are lost...everybody needs a change. Getting Iverson to go with JO or Al, or both doesn't fix the lack of a point or the soso defense. And the payscale cripples us.

                        I love the Pacers through and through, but I can't spend the money on tickets watching these guys, and I feel greasy putting on my hoodies. No matter how this turns out, I am still a Pacers fan, but man...could they make it just a little easier to support them?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Its time to blow this team up

                          Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
                          He's a scorer not a shooter? What is that supposed to mean? He gets about 12.5 points per game on under 40% shooting and jacks up threes.

                          His D is okay sometimes, but he gets torched sometimes. He's far from a premier defender.

                          When Jamaal Tinsley is outrebounding your 6'8 SG night it and night out, you have a problem rebounding.


                          But go ahead, assess Jack's ability from your perspective.. I know enough about your history with defending him that this should be amusing.
                          LOL you don't know the difference between a scorer and a shooter. Your new its ok.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Its time to blow this team up

                            The difference between a scorer and a shooter is that you call someone who can't shoot a scorer because it justifies their inadequacies in your world.


                            That's my version, now what's yours? How is a SCORER someone who averages uner 13 ppg? Wow.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Its time to blow this team up

                              This team has already been blown up. I think this team blew up during the RA episode. TPTB need to pick up the good pieces that are left and throw out the rest. They already threw out some players last summer. Those were good people and good competitors. The kind of players fans could be proud of.

                              They kept all the real head cases and selfish players who needed to go, so I'm not real surprised this is all coming apart at this time.

                              My concern is that our young players will be contaminated by these current fools and will be ruined before they get a chance to develop.

                              I would, as I have previously stated, turn this team upside down. I'd play the young guys with heart who have futures in the league and on this team. I'd trade all the trouble making, bad attitude, poor effort players on the team for draft picks or what ever we could get. Or I'd simply cut them. They would be gone asap. They should have been gone this past summer.

                              We will not win with these guys and the sooner they are gone the better.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Its time to blow this team up

                                Mainly we need a new coach.

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