The one really good thing about bringing Iverson to our team would be that I could save a ton of money & time till he either retired or moved on.
I do not one to trade one prima dona for another (one that is actually worse).
I'd rather watch a lineup of Jalen Rose, Travis Best, Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest & James Edwards before I would want to see Iverson on our team.
In conspiracy theorist news JO and AI are both sitting out tonight's games for what I would describe as ticky tack injuries...(Not saying I endorse said conspiracy theory just stirring the pot)
Yeah, there's no way I'd consider the deal until the 76'ers pony up at least one 1st round pick. At which point I'd sign on the dotted line ASAP.
But color me excited that the Pacers are apparently looking to make big changes. Apart from possibly Iverson, I would hope that any trade they make is to get younger and/or get back into the draft.
Pick up Iverson? Hm - after 39 years as a fan it might be time for me to hang it up.
The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.
If we could team JO/AI and AL somehow I would jump at it in a second. .
We'd be title contenders immidiately.
Question: Would you give up Granger to get AI to team with JO and Al?
I don't know if I would, I'd have to think about it though.
I agree with ABA, Iverson is not someone I want on my team.....Maybe I need to go buy some bobcats merchandise. At least they expect to lose......
Hey bring Iverson in if you can. That would mean we are trying to win now. I have to say that appeals to me. Iverson does take too many many shots, but I can live with it.
I think it will take Philly a long time to trade Allen because they will be looking for more in return then they'll get. It will be similar to the Ron situation in the sense that they'll get someone that has been a good player but has run his course somewhere as well. Maybe an AI for Rashard Lewis swap would be possible.
Talented player who is sick of the coach, sick of the system, and willing to let those feelings bleed out onto his on-court performance. Isn't the cited problem with Jack and Tinsley all about attitude and effort? Is there a single Jack/Tins hater that says "oh, they are great guys and try hard, they just aren't that talented?"
As Buck said, it is more interesting to hear that Bird is still looking to deal. Then again its not that surprising. The on-court chemistry did struggle to get going and naturally Bird would have started to get concerned. The counter to that is that he might change his mind as it comes together, which since the Foster switch it has. This was further increased with the introduction of Baston into regular minutes.
The effort fell off the plate to end the road trip, but it was back for the Magic game.
I think a couple of more good effort outings will put trade talks on the back-burner, or at worst into "feeler-only" mode. You gotta keep appraised of the actual worth of your roster, but that's not the same as making a deal.
Honestly isn't a lot of this VULTURES talking? Someone wants KG moved - hey, how about the Pacers, they've fallen to 500. Sam Smith wants to make the Bulls better, trade JO to the Bulls and go into rebuild mode (um, Sam, how about suggesting that to the struggling Bulls instead).
Right now it seems like people are equating the 61 win team with now and seeing it as a team in decline. This isn't the 2000 Finals team getting a bit long in the tooth, this is a VERY young squad. They just overhauled the bench.
The top 6 minutes guys from last year...
Jack (still here, now the #2 minutes guy)
JO (still here, now the #1 guy)
Danny (still here, #3)
Foster (still here, #6)
Saras (still here, #8)
Special note that Peja was the #1 minutes per game guy while he was with the team (as was Ron), but techically only played 1400+ with Indy which made him the #8 total minutes played guy. He's gone too of course.
So the team lost 2 of their top 3 minutes guys, PLUS their #1 MPG guy (Peja). What's here now? Of the top 10 guys in minutes played this year, 4 are new. If you go to 11 with Baston (who is starting to play a lot) you increase it to 5. 2 more of those players were rookies last year.
The returning players from the 61 win team that have been here the whole way are - JO, Tinsley, Foster. Al left and just returned, Jack spent a good portion of his first year suspended and of course wasn't on the 61 win team anyway.
I don't see decline. I see tons of injuries and HUGE turnover the last 2-3 seasons. Even with Al back you only have 4 players from the ECF team just 3 seasons ago.
BTW the 61 win team started out 14-2 and then went on a 6 game west coast trip starting on the last day of NOV, paired with a 3 game trip a few weeks later in mid-DEC. Their record in this span? 7-8. Just something to think about.
Anyway, to these outside writers it's somehow a team that has "gone as far as it can" with JO. To me it's a team that hardly got out of the pits before the engine blew. I'm kinda interested to see what the car can do with a new engine in it before giving up on it.
And I won't be here to see the day
It all dries up and blows away
I'd hang around just to see
But they never had much use for me
In Levelland. (James McMurtry)
Listen, I understand you folks don't like the practice comments and all that. But he comes to play hard every night and throws his body around with no regard for his own safety. You can't deny his will to win. He's no angel, but that's enough for me.
Teaming up Al, JO, and AI is such a no brainer I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Only problem is, there is no player on our roster the sixers would take in exchange for Iverson.
Character, dude. Discipline, integrity, reliability, moral terpitude, basic human decency, selflessness.
"I like our group of people," Ainge told USA Today. "I'm trying to teach them about basketball, and they're trying to teach me about analytics."
I don't think AI would be a good fit. We need backcourt help, true, but AI is not really the kind of backcourt help we need.
Also, why are we giving up on this team so early? Can we give them a chance?
Leaving the issue whether I want AI as a Pacer aside... Does anyone really think if we were to acquire AI, and not use JO to do it, that AI and JO could coexist on the same team? No friggin' way. ...And I'd think management would realize that too. At least I'd hope they would.
Is AI going to be happy feeding the post? Is JO going to be happy if AI doesn't look to feed the post nearly every trip?
Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."
If we were to consider SJax, Tinsley, and AI equal in terms of attitude, then what exactly would we be losing if we were to do that trade?
I see a bigger gain than loss.
that was funny D4G, I remember when Iverson went off on the media about that cracked me up. They recently had it on BDSSP 50 Greatest something's can't remember but he just kept goin off on the media " we talkin about practice....we talkin about practice...." I think he said it like 15 times.
AI plays D though...he's always getting steals. I'd take him as my starting point over Tinsley any day of the week, and to give up Jack, who cares at this point? His future is up in the air anyways. I don't think Philly does it, but those who say they don't want AI apparently don't want any superstar on this team, cuz he's one of the best.