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10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

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  • #31
    Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

    Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
    Are you guys watching a different league than I am, and everyone on ESPN as well? Baltimore just lost to a reeling Cincy team having an identity crisis.

    San Diego is clearly the most complete team, and they've been doing it without Shawn Merriman. Not to mention, they're the team with the best shot at beating us. They play a 3-4 defense, which gives us fits, and Merriman plays the position that gives us the most fits in the 3-4. And Merriman is quite possibly the best defensive player in the NFL, roids, or no roids.

    Not to mention on the other side of the ball, they have the best RB in the league to exploit our weakness in run defense.

    I have nightmares thinking about playing San Diego. Baltimore doesn't scare me a bit.
    If you're basing your opionion of Baltimore just on its previous game then you must think the Colts are a lock to be eliminated in the 1st rd of the playoffs after losing to a mediocre Tennessee team.
    The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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    • #32
      Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

      I am concerned about facing any team with a serious running game and a better than average D. That would include Baltimore, SD, and NE. If on the road, even more concerned. Hell, at this point I wouldn't even want to face the Bengals if they got in.

      We could theoretically reach and win the Superbowl, I just think our defense would be too much to overcome over the course of 2-3 weeks based on the type of competition we would probably face.

      In addition, you have to admit that we have yet to really prove our post season mettle. This core group really all the way back to the '99 loss at home to the Titans. We have not proven physically and mentally tough enough in the post season to place a shred of doubt or fear in other teams when they face us. They still look at us as the team that can't break through.

      Keith Bulluck even said as much in post game interviews. Sorry don't remember where I saw it, but it was something along the lines of well I guess they still think the outscoring everybody philosophy can work in the playoffs. This is the type of respect we're going to get until we prove something.
      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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      • #33
        Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        Baltimore, definitely.

        Possibly San Diego and/or New England as well, though I think we could take either team on our home turf.

        Baltimore???????????.............. Why do I keep seeing Baltimore?? I think you were the 4th person to write "Baltimore." Baltimore hasn't been dominant by far. They eakkked out a win against S.D other then that it is all Browns, Tampa, Oakland. They were just SHUT DOWN by Cincy, Denver beat them handily (meaning they controlled the entire game not on the score, denver doesn't win by much ever), and Carolina beat them and you guys have more faith in Baltimore then the Colts?
        This thread is based off losing to the Titans and the team you guys are claiming that is better then the Colts, is a team that had the EXACT same problems with them. In reality even worse problems, they were down by 19 almost the whole game, The only difference is Balti' pulls out the win by a single point.

        If you guys are upset with a team that is 10-2 and are looking for a team with superior defense and superior offense; Good Luck! Right now I'm happy being a Colts supporter. Even though the colts haven't won it all doesn't mean the colts aren't good, and it certainly doesn't mean the colts shouldn't be favored. See you guys in early Feb, when every one has jumped back on the bandwagon.

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        • #34
          Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

          Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
          See you guys in early Feb, when every one has jumped back on the bandwagon.
          Hmmm, I guess you didn't see me jump on that bandwagon when the team went 1-15? If you're going to call people out at least know a blatant generalization statement isn't necessary. It is not a penalty to question or have an objective view point of the team. In fact we hope the brain trust does the same and takes a hard look at how the team is structured.
          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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          • #35
            Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

            Originally posted by BoomBaby31 View Post
            Baltimore???????????.............. Why do I keep seeing Baltimore?? I think you were the 4th person to write "Baltimore." Baltimore hasn't been dominant by far. They eakkked out a win against S.D other then that it is all Browns, Tampa, Oakland. They were just SHUT DOWN by Cincy, Denver beat them handily (meaning they controlled the entire game not on the score, denver doesn't win by much ever), and Carolina beat them and you guys have more faith in Baltimore then the Colts?
            This thread is based off losing to the Titans and the team you guys are claiming that is better then the Colts, is a team that had the EXACT same problems with them. In reality even worse problems, they were down by 19 almost the whole game, The only difference is Balti' pulls out the win by a single point.

            If you guys are upset with a team that is 10-2 and are looking for a team with superior defense and superior offense; Good Luck! Right now I'm happy being a Colts supporter. Even though the colts haven't won it all doesn't mean the colts aren't good, and it certainly doesn't mean the colts shouldn't be favored. See you guys in early Feb, when every one has jumped back on the bandwagon.
            You are basing to much on the beginning of the season.

            McNair and Jamal Lewis are back on track now leading a very efficient offense. After Baltimore fired Jim Fassel and let Billick run the offense, they have had a potent offense to go along with their incredible defense. I wouldn't want the Colts to play the Ravens in the playoffs. Jamal Lewis may not be what he once was in his 2000 yard season, but I'm willing to bet he would run all over Indy.

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            • #36
              Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

              250 yards rushing in the 1st half????? Don't tell me there's anybody out there who'd put money on the Colts to make the Super Bowl.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • #37
                Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                i certainly won't. this team is not that good. they lose in the 1st round of the playoffs,
                this is easily the WORST defense in the league. mediocre runners look like great runners, better than average runners look like god on cleats. they (the defense) are undersized and slow. they are getting totaly bullied out there.
                this game is turning into a blowout. jones-drew could run for 300 yards today if he wanted to- i'm not kidding.
                this defense is not only the worst defense in the league but the worst by a big margin.
                i'm getting tired of the fools gold seasons where we look great for most of the season only to see the colts get ruled in the playoffs. i am afraid this season is going to be more of the same. this game against jacksonville is already a done deal. and it looks like it's gonna be a blowout.

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                • #38
                  Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                  Anyone still think the Colts are better than the Ravens, Chargers, or even the Jags?

                  Baltimore and San Diego would put a whoopin' on us that would make the Jets blush.

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                  • #39
                    Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                    *Bump*

                    I'm glad I didn't post any predictions in this thread.

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                    • #40
                      Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                      We need another one of these for this season.

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                      • #41
                        Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                        Originally posted by Shade View Post
                        We need another one of these for this season.
                        Fine,

                        10. Vinateri is starting to lose it. Did you see week 2?

                        9. Our starting DT's are what was supposed to be the second string this year behind McFarland and Simon.

                        8. New England will know are plays and call signs well in advance of our games. Dan Klecko is the mole on the inside.

                        7. Bob Sanders is going to get hurt, its gonna happen, you just know it.

                        6. Rob Morris is gone, he was a big peice of the defense last postseason.

                        5. Freeney seems to be well contained so far this year.

                        4. Our rookie LT is going to hit the rookie wall at some point, and when he does Peyton is gonna feel it.

                        3. The Colts will go 14-2 this year leading to over confidence and ultimately a crushing lost in the playoffs.

                        2. New England is better than the 72 Dolphins, 85 Bears, 1970's Steelers, 1990's Cowboys, and the Montana and Young 49's combined. Seriously don't you watch ESPN?

                        1. No way they could do it twice. The sun shines on a dog's @ss just once.
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                        • #42
                          Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                          Wow, I forgot about this thread. I knew you guys were wrong. I remember laughing when I was reading some of the posts in here.

                          You guys were silly.

                          -- Steve --

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                          • #43
                            Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                            Wow, a Diamond Dave sighting!
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • #44
                              Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                              It wasn't this thread that vaulted us to the Superbowl. It was my thread I made out of anger for this one with the opposite view point.

                              I felt it all year last season. Even when Maurice Jones drew was stiff arming the whole team.

                              Actually that game was the one game all year when I started to lose hope. But they gained it all back after we stomped Cinci on Monday night.

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                              • #45
                                Re: 10 Reasons Why Colts Won't Reach Superbowl

                                Completely proven wrong. And couldn't be happier.
                                I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                                -Emiliano Zapata

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