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  • #16
    Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

    Originally posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
    Didn't you read what you quoted?
    Yes I read it. I still say they looked stupid.

    Originally posted by Robertmto View Post
    Fans in courtside seats from EVERY city heckle the players; you guys are making it sound like it's only the NY fans.
    Just like how the articles acted like the Pacers players are the only one who stand up during games.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

      Originally posted by grace View Post
      Yes I read it. I still say they looked stupid.



      Just like how the articles acted like the Pacers players are the only one who stand up during games.
      Knicks fans should complain to management about the Knicks team themselves not doing anything to make the Pacers sit down... such as actually outscoring the Pacers and taking away anything for the Pacers to cheer about.

      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

        Grace seems to have a loooooong list of things she thinks make people look stupid when at a basketball game.

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

          Originally posted by grace View Post
          Personally, I thought they looked a little stupid getting so excited about beating the Knicks. I mean they're the Knicks. Big friggin' deal.
          Get a clue or at least get consistant. How sour does a person have to be to spin ARMSTRONG (he was the first guy up and cheering starting right about minute ONE of the game) and the rest of the team acting like winning matters into a bad thing?

          Sorry, but this reaction just really, really, really p****s me off because all we hear is that the fans want players that are a team and care and try hard and act like they want to be there.

          Then they do it and you call them stupid. That's classier than San Diego.

          Fun is back....unless Grace has something to say about it.


          Hands up, who thinks the $300 ticket holders behind the KNICKS bench get mad when Curry stands and cheers during the 15 home wins they experience?

          For the record, NO FANS fought with or in any way turned things ugly when Foster, Cabbages, Jack, Tins, et al were standing during the home opener, which they did do. They've done it all 3 games for anything remotely encouraging or positive.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            Fun is back....unless Grace has something to say about it.
            She'll come around. She's just jaded.
            This space for rent.

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
              She'll come around. She's just jaded.
              It's tough when your team is on a losing streak and dwelling in the Central Division cellar..........
              PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                It's tough when your team is on a losing streak and dwelling in the Central Division cellar..........
                I don't understand why they're not scoring more points. I always thought Big Ben's offensive game was just waiting to be unleashed.

                Interestingly, Ben's only getting 0.7 blocks per game. Too soon to be sure, of course, but I've often wondered how far his blocks would go down if he wasn't in a system designed for him.
                This space for rent.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                  Its only been three games (one, a blowout, in which he played very little) but its a legit concern to think that the Bulls won't be able to optimize his strengths in the first year.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                    Get a clue or at least get consistant. How sour does a person have to be to spin ARMSTRONG (he was the first guy up and cheering starting right about minute ONE of the game) and the rest of the team acting like winning matters into a bad thing?

                    Sorry, but this reaction just really, really, really p****s me off because all we hear is that the fans want players that are a team and care and try hard and act like they want to be there.

                    Then they do it and you call them stupid. That's classier than San Diego.

                    Fun is back....unless Grace has something to say about it.


                    Hands up, who thinks the $300 ticket holders behind the KNICKS bench get mad when Curry stands and cheers during the 15 home wins they experience?

                    For the record, NO FANS fought with or in any way turned things ugly when Foster, Cabbages, Jack, Tins, et al were standing during the home opener, which they did do. They've done it all 3 games for anything remotely encouraging or positive.
                    Grow up. You're acting like your doppleganger.
                    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                      Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                      Grow up. You're acting like your doppleganger.
                      As much as I like and respect Grace,Seth does have a point somewhere in there. What do these guys have to do in order to win back some fans? No these aren't the guys from our 90's teams, but they are genuinely trying to be a team now. I didn't see the game though, so maybe they were being over the top, but even so, I'm glad to see the game is fun.
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                      Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                      Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                        Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                        Grow up. You're acting like your doppleganger.
                        Meh, He made perfectly valid points.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                          Originally posted by 8.9_seconds View Post
                          As much as I like and respect Grace,Seth does have a point somewhere in there. What do these guys have to do in order to win back some fans?
                          I'll take "Keep it up for more than 3 games" for $1000, Alex.
                          This space for rent.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                            Originally posted by Kegboy View Post
                            Grow up. You're acting like your doppleganger.
                            Really? I'm immature because I am extremely annoyed by a fan that calls players "stupid" for cheering on their teammates?

                            Defend the point instead of telling me to grow up. I sincerely want to hear how this makes the players stupid, what is it about them standing and cheering on their teammates that's wrong? Go ahead, convince me. I'm happy to own up to being wrong. But the logic has to go beyond "grow up". I actually put reasoning behind my post, I didn't just snipe and run.


                            I understand that both of you are long time regulars, but then that's exactly why I would hold you to a higher standard. I stand by my view that you must be extremely sour to look at Armstrong cheering at the 11:20 mark of the 1st (because that's about when it started) and take the Knicks' fans side of it. I'm betting DA wasn't the one she had in mind when she said it, but he has been the most active "cheerleader" so far this season.

                            What bugs me more is that it seemed pretty clear to me that she thought this was a Knicks-game-only thing. It had NOTHING to do with beating the Knicks and everything to do with supporting teammates that were playing well (just the effort is even being cheered).

                            If they had been pouting away for 20 games and then all of the sudden started cheering late in a rout of the lowly Knicks, THEN I wouldn't have responded like I did.


                            Originally posted by Anthem
                            I'll take "Keep it up for more than 3 games" for $1000, Alex.
                            Now this is a valid point. I agree that just like everything else a new leaf doesn't get to turn instantly. You want to see some staying power.

                            However I do think that the will to support teammates feeds itself, even if there are some losing streaks. Unlike playing well, you can force the positive attitude along even if you don't feel like it, and eventually it will stick on its own. In the meantime I have little doubt that DA will continue to push it along and drag even the most down attitudes along with him.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                              I happen to completely agree with Seth. This isn't something we just saw against the Knicks. The players are genuinely cheering each other on when something good happens, it's not just that we were beating the Knicks. Do we really want our players sitting on the sidelines looking bored unless we're beating a good team?

                              Maybe we've gotten so used to our players not really caring that some of us don't realize it's not a good thing.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers reserves anger NY fans by blocking their view. + 2 other articles

                                First of all I tried to reply to all this yesterday, but SBC crashed mid post.

                                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                Knicks fans should complain to management about the Knicks team themselves not doing anything to make the Pacers sit down... such as actually outscoring the Pacers and taking away anything for the Pacers to cheer about.

                                -Bball
                                They managed to get the lead down to one against the Pacers and then last night they outscored San Antonio something like 20-2 to get back into the game. Sure they lost, but they didn't lay down.

                                Originally posted by Fool View Post
                                Grace seems to have a loooooong list of things she thinks make people look stupid when at a basketball game.
                                I have a list for that? What's on it?

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                Get a clue or at least get consistant. How sour does a person have to be to spin ARMSTRONG (he was the first guy up and cheering starting right about minute ONE of the game) and the rest of the team acting like winning matters into a bad thing?

                                Sorry, but this reaction just really, really, really p****s me off because all we hear is that the fans want players that are a team and care and try hard and act like they want to be there.

                                Then they do it and you call them stupid. That's classier than San Diego.

                                Fun is back....unless Grace has something to say about it.


                                Hands up, who thinks the $300 ticket holders behind the KNICKS bench get mad when Curry stands and cheers during the 15 home wins they experience?

                                For the record, NO FANS fought with or in any way turned things ugly when Foster, Cabbages, Jack, Tins, et al were standing during the home opener, which they did do. They've done it all 3 games for anything remotely encouraging or positive.
                                Stupid was probably a bad choice of words on my part. Do you like ridiculous better? I don't have any problem with standing up and cheering. Fans do it (at least they used to). There's no reason the players on the bench can't do it to. However, stand up and clap (don't jump all over each other) and then sit your *** down.

                                As for the fans who sit behind the benches I wouldn't expect fans of the home team to complain about the players standing up in front of them. (Although on more than one occasion I've heard Mark, Slick, or Kevin say they didn't see what was going on because Rick was standing in their way.) On the other hand when your team is getting its rear kicked and the opposing team is standing in your way jumping all over each other and waving their towels around acting like 3 year olds it doesn't surprise me that people get miffed.

                                By the way, I don't get the San Diego reference.

                                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                                She'll come around. She's just jaded.
                                No I won't.

                                Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                                It's tough when your team is on a losing streak and dwelling in the Central Division cellar..........
                                Yes it does. But after last night we're only 1/2 game out of first.

                                Originally posted by 8.9_seconds View Post
                                As much as I like and respect Grace,Seth does have a point somewhere in there. What do these guys have to do in order to win back some fans?
                                Short of trading for Ben Gordon, Andres Nocioni, Loul Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and Thabo Sefolosha (firing Bird and replacing Rick with Scott Skiles) I don't know.

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