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    It wasn't competitive basketball.
    If you count it for the injuries, see your opening statement in this thread, then it also counts for work.

    Now I never knew that practise and training was not work related, but you can perhaps open my eyes there
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    I honestly and truly believe it isn't even close, JO is very injury prone. That doesn't mean he's a terrible player, or that I hate him, or want him traded, or that he's a bad guy and no one is suggesting he's faking anything, he is just injury prone.

    P.S. you can be a JO fan and still admit he is injury prone.

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    I honestly and truly believe it isn't even close, JO is very injury prone. That doesn't mean he's a terrible player, or that I hate him, or want him traded, or that he's a bad guy and no one is suggesting he's faking anything, he is just injury prone.

    P.S. you can be a JO fan and still admit he is injury prone.
    Your post pretty much sums it up for me.

    I pretty much expect him to get injured sometime throughout the year....cuz he's simply injury prone. When I expect that he will get injured.....I'm not surprised when it happens. The same goes for Tinsley....when he doesn't play cuz he has a sinus infection....I'm not surprised. The same principle applies to SJax....when SJax becomes Jordan-esque and can hit everything that is thrown his way....then goes as ice-cold and becomes effective as a refrigerator.....I'm not surprised....cuz I know that he's a streaky scorer.

    The second Tinsley / JONeal plays 70+ games a season and SJax becomes a consistent scorer......you know that the universe has been "turned upside down".....until then....Tinsley/JONeal will always be injury prone and SJax will always have hot and cold days like a water faucet.
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    He's definitely prone to minor/moderate injuries. I just want him to get through this year without another major one. But the major one in 2005 wasn't his fault, and it's not like he did something reckless last year to tear the groin from his bone (take a piece with it).

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    I've never seen so many people get so bent out of shape over preseason games.
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    I have to agree with UB on this one. I don't see how you can argue this. It's not even the big injuries that bother me; it's the constant nagging ones that never seem to go away.

    How many times do you find yourself reading the pre-game report and see Jermaine's name listed as injured......when he's playing! It's constantly something. I don't know what the reasons are behind it, but there is no denying it. I respect JO for trying to fight through a lot of those nagging injuries, but as UB said he is never the same effective player compared to when he takes a couple games off to regroup.

    Ask any fan of another team what they think of JO. I can almost guarantee that at least either of the phrases "overpaid" or "injury-prone" come up.

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    PRESEASON. That is all. Maybe TPTB finally learned that "Hey, JO is a perennial all-star maybe we shouldn't make him play a bunch of games that don't matter in the end." The Lakers do it with Kobe and a ton of other teams do it with their best player. He may have a very, very slight injury, but I highly doubt it would keep him even out of an uimportant regular season game.

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    P.S. you can be a JO fan and still admit he is injury prone.
    Constuctive criticism and being a fan? What a novel idea.

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    When ? after playing to soon with an ankle at request of the coachnot freak ?LOL yeah that was wear and tear right ? when ?who hasn't ?? wrong player You are joking here aren't you ?
    Half of the above exist in your imagination only.
    The injury of JO atm is of no consequence, but since it is PRE seaons they do not want to take any risk.
    Now Tins is playing it becomes harder to biatch about anything, so we can concentrate on JO again, I wonder what it is with people that there is a need to bash our best player, and one of the best players in the league, is it their own inferiority complexes that they have to protect this way? I really dont know but I do know that it is almost sickening that after we had the shoot Jax threads we now have threads guessins on how many games our PG will miss and to whether we can agree that our best player is injury prone.

    Start by defining injury prone, then you will see that your entire premise is wrong to begin with.

    Secondly start praying heavily to be wrong, because this team without JO is absolutely aiming for the last spot in the league.

    Before annointing other players to be the stars of the future, let them get to the future first, in the present JO is by far our best player, a perennial All Star (something we never had in the NBA) and a potential MVP candidate.
    He has that palmares, earned, let's try and pay him the respect that comes with the territory
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    i actually cant believe half the stuff i am reading here!

    J.O isnt "injury prone" ...most of the games hes missed were from freakin incididents like his shoulder or knee.... how can flu be seen as an arguement for a player being injury prone!

    In preseason if your star player who in garanteed to be playing 30 mins a game all year regardles of what happens in these games even feels the slightest bit tight you sit him down ... i dont care if its his little toe that has an itch ... you dont risk anything in preseason with your best player...

    as for this team being better without J.O i might actually cry! Hes an All star, one of the top post players in the league and our best player ... period!
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    i actually cant believe half the stuff i am reading here!

    J.O isnt "injury prone" ...most of the games hes missed were from freakin incididents like his shoulder or knee.... how can flu be seen as an arguement for a player being injury prone!

    In preseason if your star player who in garanteed to be playing 30 mins a game all year regardles of what happens in these games even feels the slightest bit tight you sit him down ... i dont care if its his little toe that has an itch ... you dont risk anything in preseason with your best player...

    as for this team being better without J.O i might actually cry! Hes an All star, one of the top post players in the league and our best player ... period!
    Nobody is argueing with you that JO isn't the best player, but is he in the best interest for our team? Does he hold up the offense so much that we can't transform in more ball movement and more running offense? Besides all the little (freak) injuries, and I hope that he got his share of it, is it the right choice to keep him on our team?
    Maybe now is the best time to trade him while he still has some nice value. Another injurie riddled season makes a possible trade much less attractive.

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    So a handful of Injuries already this season, are people who denied it finally willing to admit it. JO is Injury Prone.

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    So a handful of Injuries already this season, are people who denied it finally willing to admit it. JO is Injury Prone.
    And yet he has only missed one game. :

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    Kings will give you Bibby+Scoreless Williamson+Garcia for JO.

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    And yet he has only missed one game. :
    So what, its ok for him to play at what looks like 70%. Congrats he has missed one game in less than 20. Hes already this beat up now, wait till february. Admitting JO is injury prone doesn't make you less of a fan, in fact all it can do for you is make you a more realistic person.

    And how exactly is this issue a dead horse, didn't he get hurt like 2 1/2 hours ago. OK guys no more holding things against players past an 2 hours. No more whining about Jack shooting too much unless it happened in that time frame. AND WHOA the brawl is off limits.

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    Every player has their positives and negatives.

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    Kings will give you Bibby+Scoreless Williamson+Garcia for JO.


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    Yes he is injury prone

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    We've been burned a few times when our key players had to cut their careers short due to injuries. Smits, Stipanovich, Kellogg.

    We cannot afford to lose JO without getting something in return. I sure hope he is able to perform well in a few games before the end of the season. I'm thinking we probably need to trade him... and the trade involving JO will be a make or break trade for this team.

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    We cannot afford to lose JO without getting something in return. I sure hope he is able to perform well in a few games before the end of the season. I'm thinking we probably need to trade him... and the trade involving JO will be a make or break trade for this team.

    It is by far the biggest decision facing this franchise, and the trade will impact the franchise for years and years

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    It is by far the biggest decision facing this franchise, and the trade will impact the franchise for years and years
    yep.

    We could either get a serviceable player and a real nice pick that might turn into a wonderful player for years to come...

    or we could end up becoming cellar dwellars for the next several years.

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    Every player has their positives and negatives.

    Yes, EVERY player.
    Not every player. Eddie Gill had no negatives, he was perfect!

    Jermaine injury prone? Of course. But I think in some ways he has gotten tougher over the years, when he does get hurt now I know he's hurt because he does play through pain a lot. In his younger days, he had a habit of acting like he had been shot everytime he took a spill.

    Maybe he just needs a new training regimen?

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    Not every player. Eddie Gill had no negatives, he was perfect!

    Jermaine injury prone? Of course. But I think in some ways he has gotten tougher over the years, when he does get hurt now I know he's hurt because he does play through pain a lot. In his younger days, he had a habit of acting like he had been shot everytime he took a spill.

    Maybe he just needs a new training regimen?
    i wish. but, i seriously doubt it would make any difference. he went from being a lightweight version at 240 to a heavyweight at around 270 and then dropped some off. when i look at his body structure, even when he got heavy, he still looked of slim build. he always will be and just has a more fragile body than some others others. i wish it were not the biggest reason that i believe he will always miss a solid 12-20 games every year.

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    would you guys take a guy by the name of Kevin Garnet for JO ? wouldnt work straight up but im sure we could add a player/players to sweeten the deal.
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    would you guys take a guy by the name of Kevin Garnet for JO ? wouldnt work straight up but im sure we could add a player/players to sweeten the deal.
    Tinsley and JO work for KG.

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