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    Ok, tonight, we played without JO again, and we won... We scored well over 100 points. If you watched the game, can you tell me if the ball movement and transition offense is better? Does JO really stop this team down, because for the two games he didn't play, we scored over 100, and won both.

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    It's the PRESEASON!

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    It's the PRESEASON!
    Does not have anything to do with Philosiphy

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    Yeah it does, even if JO was healthy he wouldn't play that much. This is the time to practice with the guys we dont know about.

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    Ok, tonight, we played without JO again, and we won... We scored well over 100 points. If you watched the game, can you tell me if the ball movement and transition offense is better? Does JO really stop this team down, because for the two games he didn't play, we scored over 100, and won both.
    You'r absolutely right, JO stops any ball movement we have. It will not change this season, so a wise decision would be to trade him (together with Jackson & Tinsley).
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    And build around Al?

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    And build around Al?

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    Build around the shooting guard you get for him. Joe Johnson?

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    I'd like to see J.O. in more then one preseason game with this new philosophy before we start discussing trading him for a warm cup of root beer.
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    Build around the shooting guard you get for him. Joe Johnson?
    Yeah Al and JJ worked out real well leading Atlanta last year. They definitely had some young talent too. More than us actually.

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    Could this really be because JO didn't play or just the fact that we won both games that were televised.

    Superstitious, huh?

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    If JO can stay healthy this uptempo game should benefit him not hurt him. He should look at Parish's game when the Celtics could run or play the half court style.

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    Is JO a finesse player? I mean does he like to bang or would he rather avoid contact and take a jumper? Maybe I'm asking if he's too soft?

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    As has been the case for AT LEAST the past four seasons, the Pacers have no better chance of winning with J.O. IN the lineup than they have with him OUT of the lineup. He DOES NOT make his teammates better. He DOES NOT make his team better. He never has.

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    As has been the case for AT LEAST the past four seasons, the Pacers have no better chance of winning with J.O. IN the lineup than they have with him OUT of the lineup. He DOES NOT make his teammates better. He DOES NOT make his team better. He never has.

    Simply put, he's not a leader, it's just not in his blood. I think that a lot of us fell in love with the Brad/JO combo and thought that was what we were going to expect and it was even going to get better. Brad made JO better, not the other way around.

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    Brad made JO better, not the other way around.
    I expect Al to do the same thing.
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    I'm a little discouraged by the JO situation in the preseason. The games have sounded bogged down when he was in there, and I'm fearing that Rick doesn't know how to stop reverting to slower play when Jermaine's in there.

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    I'd like to see J.O. in more then one preseason game with this new philosophy before we start discussing trading him for a warm cup of root beer.


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    The fact is though that the numbers hold true for the regular season as well. The last 2 years the team has done better without Jo than With him.

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    Preseason doesn't mean crap. If the Pacers are still losing with Jermaine after the season starts maybe I'll believe your theory but I doubt it.

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    Tinsley's the engine that drives the Pacers. When Tinsley's on his game and the offense bogs down with JO in it, then I'll consider what you're saying.

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    You'r absolutely right, JO stops any ball movement we have. It will not change this season, so a wise decision would be to trade him (together with Jackson & Tinsley).
    How many games have you seen this season?

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    The fact is though that the numbers hold true for the regular season as well. The last 2 years the team has done better without Jo than With him.


    I don't know. I think after three weeks or so last February it was obvious that we needed Jermaine's post defense. We had nobody to stop the bleeding and the high scoring eventually wore off. And that was before Jermaine returned.

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    Preseason doesn't mean crap. If the Pacers are still losing with Jermaine after the season starts maybe I'll believe your theory but I doubt it.
    Happened the last 2 years. Got any proof to the fact that JO helps the team.

    A 33-39 record with JO the last 2 years. Thats excluding games in which Artest propped him up. The Pacers on the other hand were 34-33 in games that both he and artest missed. Thats only a 7 game swing. Not like that could have determined the playoffs or not the last 2 years,....Wait.

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    I saw and thought the same things when I watched the game last night. It does seem like we play better without him. But like others have said we should give the JO/AL thing a chance. I hope we will see it next game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
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    Happened the last 2 years. Got any proof to the fact that JO helps the team.

    A 33-39 record with JO the last 2 years. Thats excluding games in which Artest propped him up. The Pacers on the other hand were 34-33 in games that both he and artest missed. Thats only a 7 game swing. Not like that could have determined the playoffs or not the last 2 years,....Wait.
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