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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Indianapolis Star

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The 2006 ABA Draft Order

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  • #1

    The 2006 ABA Draft Order

    ROUND 1
    1. Frank Slade
    2. Pizza Guy
    3. Burnzone
    4. Slade
    5. Displaced Knick
    6. Hicks
    7. Indy Dave
    8. Boston Connection
    9. Magic Rat
    10. Number Seven
    11. Peck
    12. Able
    13. Diamond Dave
    14. Kerosene
    15. Indy Toad
    16. Dr. Badd
    17. Jose Slaughter
    18. Jay Redd
    19. Raskolnikov
    20. Bulldog
    21. Mourning
    22. Since 86
    23. Life is Good
    24. Los Angeles

    ROUND 2
    25. Los Angeles
    26. Life is Good
    27. Since 86
    28. Mourning
    29. Bulldog
    30. Raskolnikov
    31. Jay Redd
    32. Jose Slaughter
    33. Dr. Badd
    34. Indy Toad
    35. Kerosene
    36. Diamond Dave
    37. Able
    38. Peck
    39. Number Seven
    40. Magic Rat
    41. Boston Connection
    42. Indy Dave
    43. Hicks
    44. Displaced Knick
    45. Slade
    46. Burnzone
    47. Pizza Guy
    48. Frank Slade

    ROUND 3
    49. Kerosene
    50. Dr. Badd
    51. Boston Connection
    52. Displaced Knick
    53. Diamond Dave
    54. Raskolnikov
    55. Bulldog
    56. Shade
    57. Indy Toad
    58. Magic Rat
    59. Frank Slade
    60. Number Seven
    61. Burnzone
    62. Mourning
    63. Since 86
    64. Hicks
    65. Peck
    66. Jose Slaughter
    67. Pizza Guy
    68. Los Angeles
    69. Able
    70. Indy Dave
    71. Life is Good
    72. Jay Redd

    ROUND 4
    73. Jay Redd
    74. Life is Good
    75. Indy Dave
    76. Able
    77. Los Angeles
    78. Pizza Guy
    79. Jose Slaughter
    80. Peck
    81. Hicks
    82. Since 86
    83. Mourning
    84. Burnzone
    85. Number Seven
    86. Frank Slade
    87. Magic Rat
    88. Indy Toad
    89. Shade
    90. Bulldog
    91. Raskolnikov
    92. Diamond Dave
    93. Displaced Knick
    94. Boston Connection
    95. Dr. Badd
    96. Kerosene

    ROUND 5
    97. Displaced Knick
    98. Los Angeles
    99. Boston Connection
    100. Jay Redd
    101. Magic Rat
    102. Pizza Guy
    103. Life is Good
    104. Number Seven
    105. Hicks
    106. Able
    107. Mourning
    108. Since 86
    109. Indy Toad
    110. Peck
    111. Bulldog
    112. Burnzone
    113. Dr. Badd
    114. Indy Dave
    115. Jose Slaughter
    116. Shade
    117. Diamond Dave
    118. Kerosene
    119. Frank Slade
    120. Raskolnikov

    ROUND 6
    121. Raskolnikov
    122. Frank Slade
    123. Kerosene
    124. Diamond Dave
    125. Shade
    126. Jose Slaughter
    127. Indy Dave
    128. Dr. Badd
    129. Burnzone
    130. Bulldog
    131. Peck
    132. Indy Toad
    133. Since 86
    134. Mourning
    135. Able
    136. Hicks
    137. Number Seven
    138. Life is Good
    139. Pizza Guy
    140. Magic Rat
    141. Jay Redd
    142. Boston Connection
    143. Los Angeles
    144. Displaced Knick

    ROUND 7
    145. Burnzone
    146. Kerosene
    147. Since 86
    148. Able
    149. Life is Good
    150. Shade
    151. Displaced Knick
    152. Boston Connection
    153. Bulldog
    154. Magic Rat
    155. Indy Toad
    156. Frank Slade
    157. Raskolnikov
    158. Jay Redd
    159. Jose Slaughter
    160. Pizza Guy
    161. Peck
    162. Mourning
    163. Diamond Dave
    164. Los Angeles
    165. Dr Badd
    166. Number Seven
    167. Indy Dave
    168. Hicks

    ROUND 8
    169. Hicks
    170. Indy Dave
    171. Number Seven
    172. Dr. Badd
    173. Los Angeles
    174. Diamond Dave
    175. Mourning
    176. Peck
    177. Pizza Guy
    178. Jose Slaughter
    179. Jay Redd
    180. Raskolnikov
    181. Frank Slade
    182. Indy Toad
    183. Magic Rat
    184. Bulldog
    185. Boston Connection
    186. Displaced Knick
    187. Shade
    188. Life is Good
    189. Able
    190. Since 86
    191. Kerosene
    192. Burnzone

    Round 9
    193. Raskolnikov
    194. Los Angeles
    195. Magic Rat
    196. Since 86
    197. Frank Slade
    198. Peck
    199. Able
    200. Displaced Knick
    201. Burnzone
    202. Bulldog
    203. Dr. Badd
    204. Kerosene
    205. Pizza Guy
    206. Indy Toad
    207. Shade
    208. Diamond Dave
    209. Jose Slaughter
    210. Boston Connection
    211. Mourning
    212. Jay Redd
    213. Hick
    214. Life is Good
    215. Number Seven
    216. Indy Dave

    ROUND 10
    217. Indy Dave
    218. Number Seven
    219. Life is Good
    220. Hicks
    221. Jay Redd
    222. Mourning
    223. Boston Connection
    224. Jose Slaughter
    225. Diamond Dave
    226. Shade
    227. Indy Toad
    228. Pizza Guy
    229. Kerosene
    230. Dr. Badd
    231. Bulldog
    232. Burnzone
    233. Displaced Knick
    234. Able
    235. Peck
    236. Frank Slade
    237. Since 86
    238. Magic Rat
    239. Los Angeles
    240. Raskolnikov

    ROUND 11
    241. Hicks
    242. Jay Redd
    243. Diamond Dave
    244. Displaced Knick
    245. Number Seven
    246. Shade
    247. Indy Dave
    248. Jose Slaughter
    249. Able
    250. Indy Toad
    251. Dr. Badd
    252. Kerosene
    253. Burnzone
    254. Raskolnikov
    255. Life is Good
    256. Pizza Guy
    257. Peck
    258. Mourning
    259. Los Angeles
    260. Boston Connection
    261. Frank Slade
    262. Since 86
    263. Bulldog
    264. Magic Rat

    ROUND 12
    265. Magic Rat
    266 Bulldog
    267. Since 86
    268. Frank Slade
    269. Boston Connection
    270. Los Angeles
    271. Mourning
    272. Peck
    273. Pizza Guy
    274. Life is Good
    275. Raskolnikov
    276. Burnzone
    277. Kereosene
    278. Dr. Badd
    279. Indy Toad
    280. Able
    281. Jose Slaughter
    282. Indy Dave
    283. Shade
    284. Number Seven
    285. Displaced Knick
    286. Diamond Dave
    287. Jay Redd
    288. Hicks
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  • #2
    Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

    Last?!







    Just kidding.

    Thanks for your hard work.
    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

    “If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.” - Catherine Aird

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    • #3
      Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

      Thanks, Jose!

      Note to self:

      My Picks

      19
      30
      54
      91
      120
      121
      157
      180
      193
      240
      254
      275
      Word on the street is he doesn't want your money, he only wants to please your ears...
      Bum in Berlin on Myspace

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      • #4
        Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

        Thanks, Jose!
        2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

        2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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        • #5
          Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

          Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
          Last?!







          Just kidding.

          Thanks for your hard work.
          Actually that's good - I always wanted to be in either the top or bottom 5 or so. The top 5 gets you a kick-*** franchise player while the bottom 5 lets you pick two very good players close and set your lineup.

          I HATE picking at around 12 or 15. Though the year I won I did that and got lucky.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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          • #6
            Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

            18. Jay Redd
            31. Jay Redd
            72. Jay Redd
            73. Jay Redd
            100. Jay Redd
            141. Jay Redd
            158. Jay Redd
            179. Jay Redd
            212. Jay Redd
            221. Jay Redd
            242. Jay Redd
            287. Jay Redd

            Not sure if that's good or bad...But it looks pretty miserable.

            Why do we re-randomize every two rounds? Isn't the point of the "snake format" that it makes work out equally in and of itself? Doesn't re-randomizing six times just multiply the "luck of position" factor 6 times?
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            8points9seconds.com

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            • #7
              Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

              Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
              18. Jay Redd
              31. Jay Redd
              72. Jay Redd
              73. Jay Redd
              100. Jay Redd
              141. Jay Redd
              158. Jay Redd
              179. Jay Redd
              212. Jay Redd
              221. Jay Redd
              242. Jay Redd
              287. Jay Redd

              Not sure if that's good or bad...But it looks pretty miserable.

              Why do we re-randomize every two rounds? Isn't the point of the "snake format" that it makes work out equally in and of itself? Doesn't re-randomizing six times just multiply the "luck of position" factor 6 times?
              4 picks at pick 73 isn't that bad.

              I'm not unhappy with my order either:

              21.
              28.
              62.
              83.
              107.
              134.
              162.
              175.
              211.
              222.
              258.
              271.

              Regards,

              Mourning
              2012 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

              2011 PD ABA Fantasy Keeper League Champion, sports.ws

              2006 PD ABA Fantasy League runner up, sports.ws

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              • #8
                Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                6? First time I've gotten anything that high here!

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                • #9
                  Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                  First Pick ? Somehow I'll figure out how to screw this up

                  Why Not Us ?

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                  • #10
                    Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                    Originally posted by Frank Slade View Post
                    First Pick ? Somehow I'll figure out how to screw this up
                    Nahh - Stephen Jackson would be a perfectly acceptable overall top pick!
                    :stephenjackson:
                    Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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                    • #11
                      Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                      Pretty bad.
                      20.
                      29.
                      55.
                      90.
                      111.
                      130.
                      153.
                      184.
                      202.
                      231.
                      263.
                      266
                      2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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                      • #12
                        Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                        Originally posted by bulldog View Post
                        Pretty bad.
                        20.
                        29.
                        55.
                        90.
                        111.
                        130.
                        153.
                        184.
                        202.
                        231.
                        263.
                        266
                        Our first four picks are eerily similar:

                        19
                        30
                        54
                        91
                        Word on the street is he doesn't want your money, he only wants to please your ears...
                        Bum in Berlin on Myspace

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                        • #13
                          Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                          Originally posted by BostonConnection View Post
                          Nahh - Stephen Jackson would be a perfectly acceptable overall top pick!
                          :stephenjackson:
                          Or Eddie Gill. He will have a break out year this year.
                          PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                            I guess I'll do the posting my picks thing too:

                            8.
                            41.
                            51.
                            94.
                            99.
                            142.
                            152.
                            185.
                            210.
                            223.
                            260.
                            269.

                            I haven't picked as high as #8 in a long time
                            Your horse is dead, get off it already...

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                            • #15
                              Re: The 2006 ABA Draft Order

                              I'll have to make my #4 pick count, because I don't pick again until #45.

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