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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Keeper League Draft

    Just to fill everyone in, the site has now updated the options so we will have a live draft on the NBA.com site on Saturday, October 21 at 9:00 AM

    15 minutes per pick

    You can go in and rank players ahead of time - but for some reason it allows players I've already assigned to teams as keepers in the rankings.

    Also, keep in mind that the default NBA.com rankings are based on their default scoring system - which isn't our scoring system

    I have to look into another option - right now it has a "Missed picks before put on auto-pick" option. I believe auto-option corresponds to taking players from your ranking. If that's true, I'll set that to zero before the draft.

    Also, I don't have the option of logging on as other owners - or if I do I haven't figured out how to do it yet. So if you're not going to be available for the draft, please log onto the site ahead of time and rank your players. Just remember not to enter a player that's on the protected list I sent out yesterday. I did check and the Keepers I entered are still there.

    We're only making 60 picks so if you rank 60 you should be safe.

    I'll be mostly unavailable until Thursday evening though I'll try to check in as much as possible.

    Draft order is as follows - keep in mind that Hicks and Able rotate 1st and 2nd pick in each rd - Able picks 1st in the first & third rds, Hicks in the 2nd.

    1. London
    2. New Castle
    3. Pierce County
    4. Cinderella
    5. Zion Canyon
    6. W. Lafayette
    7. Cedar City - From St. Somewhere as part of the Sam Cassell for Ron Artest Trade
    8. Gotham City
    9. NZ
    10. Gnawbone
    11. Harlem
    12. Cleveland
    13. Gotham City - From Dynamite as part of the Ely, Wallace and Hill for Swift and Francis trade
    14. Manila
    15. Bangkok
    16. Denton
    17. St. Somewhere - From Cedar City as part of the Sam Cassell for Ron Artest Trade
    18. San Antonio
    19. Bad News
    20. Roaming Gnome

    Also:

    NZ owns Cedar City’s 2006 2nd rd draft pick as part of the Stephen Jackson for Jose Calderon trade

    Dynamite owns Gotham City’s 2006 2nd rd pick as part of the Ely, Wallace and Hill for Swift and Francis trade
    The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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    Re: Keeper League Draft

    Gotham, or Gnawbone...

    If either of you are interested in trading your first round pick please let me know.

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      Re: Keeper League Draft

      I spent some time on the site today and must let you all know that the preranking systrem is awful, especially compared to the old one we had and Yahoo's There is only one column and no exclude from list button. You have to move each player up and down the list to where you want them.

      I'm probably going to generate my draft list on Excell, and then move the guys up the list on the site afterword. That is going to take forever, but those are the breaks for not being there. Unless someone wants to trade me a decent big for all of my picks.

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        Yeah, it (The ranking system) REALLY sucks. I finally started to take a look at it and...

        I just can't get motivated anyways, now that Hoops.ws is gone. By now, I would have had a sheet ranking all the players already and would have been finishing up my research on their places in the rotation for their teams.

        I haven't even been coming up with any trade/draft proposals and you KNOW that's not like me.
        Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?

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          Re: Keeper League Draft

          Yeah - that ranking system blows.

          As for prep, I haven't done a thing yet. Not so bad for the KL but for the ABA, going into it without a single ranking?

          BTW - with how poor the system is, I won't be putting in the "auto-pick" option. For those who can make it, better we just manually select our players. For those who can't, well, it just sucks.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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            Re: Keeper League Draft

            If that is the case, then I really am looking to trade my picks instead of just losing them. I'll have to send out a league wide e-mail.

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              Re: Keeper League Draft

              Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
              If that is the case, then I really am looking to trade my picks instead of just losing them. I'll have to send out a league wide e-mail.
              Sorry - I didn't explain that real well. There's an option which has, "Number of missed picks before auto-pick" or something like that.

              What the site does is wait 15 minutes before selecting from your list. Otherwise you just manually enter your picks (I'm not sure exactly how that works but I assume it'll be clear once the draft starts). I have an option of putting zero which means the site will just use the pre-draft ranking, without the manual entry.

              I'm not going to do that - even if you aren't here it'll wait 15 minutes before selecting the player from your ranking.

              You may want to send me a list as a backup because if something is screwy I can at least manually add the next available player for you, but I hope I don't have to do that.
              The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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              • #8
                Re: Keeper League Draft

                This really sucks for me...I will not be anywhere near a PC Saturday & I can barely figure this stuff out...let alone explain it to my wife. One quick question...Are the protected players going to be off the draft boards? If I have my wife select for me, I could just trust her judgement if all the protected players are not on the draft board. If not, I will need someone to draft for me. Help help help...

                If anyone would like to help me out...It would be greatly appreciated. Hey, I could play phone tag with someone during my picks, or something like that. anything.
                ...Still "flying casual"
                @roaminggnome74

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                  Re: Keeper League Draft

                  Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                  This really sucks for me...I will not be anywhere near a PC Saturday & I can barely figure this stuff out...let alone explain it to my wife. One quick question...Are the protected players going to be off the draft boards? If I have my wife select for me, I could just trust her judgement if all the protected players are not on the draft board. If not, I will need someone to draft for me. Help help help...

                  If anyone would like to help me out...It would be greatly appreciated. Hey, I could play phone tag with someone during my picks, or something like that. anything.
                  If you e-mail me your 60 I can make sure your picks get in.

                  I sincerely hope all the protected players are taken off when the draft starts. They've already been assigned to teams (unless the site deleted them the last couple of days). Be kind of tough to draft them. I'll check it again Friday night.
                  The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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