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    Default Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    A Sam Smith article so really so just throwing things out there.

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    Time may be ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers' O'Neal


    October 16, 2006


    I'm not even sure about this one. So let's think about this together. What if the Bulls made a run at Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal in a package that would include Luol Deng and the Bulls' rights to New York's first-round draft pick next year?

    This presumes that the troubled Pacers would change course and go for a major rebuilding in the face of the strip-club ruckus at which Stephen Jackson fired a gun into the air. Jackson was booed by the home fans Saturday night in his first game since the incident that resulted in felony charges.

    Jackson, his disguise not working—he shaved his head—said he merely was protecting his teammates. That would be a more reasonable explanation had he not said the same thing when he went into the stands in Auburn Hills, Mich., two years ago and attacked fans.


    There's no question the Pacers have big image problems in a community growing embarrassed by its team. For now, it appears they'll forge ahead with their team as comprised, if not compromised. But they may have to reach a compromise.

    It's becoming increasingly hard in conservative Indiana to embrace Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley, whose car was found to contain marijuana the night of the incident. If the team also starts slowly, it's quite possible it could look to trade. O'Neal would be the only player who could bring them value to rebuild.

    If a team is going to rebuild through the draft, 2007 may be the year. Pacers general manager Larry Bird knows about the Boston Celtics' success through the draft with Bill Russell, Dave Cowens and then himself.

    This next college class could be one of the best ever for big men. Eligible players include Indianapolis native Greg Oden from Ohio State, Spencer Hawes from Washington, Joakim Noah and Al Horford from Florida, Tyler Hansbrough from North Carolina and Josh McRoberts from Duke.

    Giving up a season by going into the lottery always is painful. But a team can come out with talent that can carry the team for a decade. It's hard to see how these Pacers, with a core of O'Neal, Jackson and Tinsley, can be much more than a .500 team on the edge of the playoff race. It's the road to nowhere the Pacers were on in the 1980s.

    And perhaps no one could offer a better package then the Bulls, for both talent and financial relief.

    O'Neal, a perennial 20-point and 10-rebound low-post threat, makes $18 million this season. The Bulls would have to match salary, which would require Deng, P.J. Brown, Michael Sweetney and probably Chris Duhon. The only true core player lost would be Deng, and the Bulls will have to make a decision at some point on that issue.

    Does anyone really believe that Andres Nocioni, who will be one of the most sought-after free agents next summer, will re-sign with the Bulls to be a backup?

    This is a good problem to have, but inevitable when a poor team begins to emerge as a power after years of top draft picks. It's just a matter of making the right decisions. If you don't, you become the old Clippers. O'Neal would replace Brown at power forward and Duhon probably is the fourth guard, anyway, with the addition of the impressive

    Thabo Sefolosha. Brown and Sweetney are in their final contract seasons, and Duhon has only one more left, giving the Pacers substantial salary-cap relief to pursue free agents.

    The Pacers also would get the right to swap picks with the Knicks, which the Bulls have from the Eddy Curry deal last year. That means the Pacers, assuming they miss the playoffs, could have two lottery picks to begin rebuilding and Deng, an emerging young star.

    Sure, one could argue that Deng and Nocioni could play together for the Bulls. But that would make for an awfully small lineup with Ben Wallace, none of them exceeding 6 feet 9 inches. And, sorry, but the Knicks look like they'll be better. Whomever the Bulls could get for that pick probably wouldn't help much until Wallace is done.

    Watching the unbeaten Bulls in the brief exhibition season thus far, a low-post presence opposite Wallace would look awfully good. Why not go for it all now while Wallace still is Big Ben?

    The Bulls look like a 50-win type regular-season team. But what about in the slower playoff games? Wallace figures to be at his best only for the next year or two. Why not try to add an offensive force to complement him now instead of waiting for Tyrus Thomas to emerge, and perhaps add another young big man in the draft?

    One issue could be O'Neal, not generally known for his work ethic. But maybe that could change by being around the Bulls and Wallace, who always has scared O'Neal, and having a chance to finally win a championship. Certainly, it's something for both teams to consider

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    Did he forget about Al? How can you write about the Pacers and not mention him as part of the group around which the Pacers plan to build?

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    Well, I like the idea of moving JO on. I have for a long time. But there'd be no way in hell I trade him to a division rival for Luol Deng and a 1st round pick. That would be more dumb than signing Stephen Jackson to a lifetime contract.

    Now I would trade JO for Kirk Hinrich and their new rookie so fast it would make your head spin.
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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    Sam Smith may actually be a worse sports writer then Jay Marrioti...

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    Its Monday, isn't it.

    Time for Sam's one-sided, if I were GM of the Bulls, what would I do column.

    Next Monday, I'll bet he explains why Ben Wallace plus Sweetney and PJ Brown for Kobe Bryant is a good trade for the Lakers because it gives them more size inside.
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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    I enjoy Sam Smith, he's been covering the NBA for a lot of years and he knows the league very well.

    But unless the Bulls first include Hinrich, I wouldn't consider trading to the Bulls about JO.

    If the Bulls would trade Hinrich, Deng, Tyrus Thomas and the Knicks first round pick then I'd consider trading JO to the Bulls.

    I would not consider trading JO unless we get a future allstar point guard. Hinrich is IMo a future allstar, so is Shawn Livingston

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    Its Monday, isn't it.

    Time for Sam's one-sided, if I were GM of the Bulls, what would I do column.

    Next Monday, I'll bet he explains why Ben Wallace plus Sweetney and PJ Brown for Kobe Bryant is a good trade for the Lakers because it gives them more size inside.
    Thank you. I forgot about Sam's patterns. However, forgetting about Al, a free agent in which the Bulls had interest, is just lazy on his part.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    We don't need Deng with Quis and Granger on the team. I would trade JO for Hinrich, the draft pick (or Thomas) and filler. Hinrich would resolve our PG problems for years to come. Thomas will be a solid player in this league and next year's draft is gonna be awesome. The Bulls could win a championship with JO and Big Ben, but we would be moving up.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    There are probably very few people out there that are higher on Luol Deng than I am. I think the kid is going to be really, really good for some time.

    But is this guy aware that we just drafted Danny Granger, who pretty much brings all the exact same skills to the table? Not to mention we just signed Al Harrington and traded for Marquis Daniels. And we're supposed to trade our franchise player for a guy who may end up being the 3rd best SF on our team?

    This may have been the worst article I've ever read. Can't wait for the next one about trading Tyrus Thomas and Chris Duhon for Elton Brand.
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    Danny Granger? I mean, clearly the Pacers are rebuilding around JO/Harrington/Granger.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

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    jay mariotti is worse, no question.

    i dreaded when i lived in chicago and he would be on the local sports radio. terrible. his speaking made his columns seem bearable in comparison.

    i actually am not a huge sam smith guy either, but...BUT...this article was really interesting to me. i dislike the trade, but thought it was interesting at the same time.

    three things jump out:

    one...he mentions that JO is known for a poor work ethic. When you add in that he didn't work with the team's training staff before, and he wasn't always on site, i think you get to it being true.

    two...i know i am biased here as a fan...but...i think danny granger is a three that you build around. given that nocioni is still taking minutes from deng, why would we take a guy that hasn't even gotten his minutes straight?

    three...as enamored as i am with oden, horford, noah, hawes,etc...i would prefer JO for the next 4 years. in year 5, i probably would go with fresh blood, but for now, i still think we are a quality PG away from a championship building around al/granger/jo. true, i feel shaky about SG, but i think we have talent. if we can ship out tinsley, jackson, foster and turn it into a PG, great. if we can terminate a contract and use that space on a pg, great. but shipping JO for a pu pu platter, while still having no point, makes no sense.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    If Ben Gordon was included in the trade I might concider it, but I probably wouldn't end up doing it.

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    If Ben Gordon was included in the trade I might concider it, but I probably wouldn't end up doing it.
    I would take Hinrich over Gordon, but I would still do a Gordon/Thomas/Filler for JO trade. I think that would be a good move for the Bulls. Not as sure for us. Gordon would give us 3pt shooting and he can play PG. He is also clutch. Thomas is a future star IMO.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    It would be almost impossible to trade JO to the bulls... they don't have enough players that make money.

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    If we did this, with our luck, Isiah would get the Knicks into the playoffs. Plus, the last thing we need is another swingman who can't shoot.
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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    If we did this trade, we'd have too many players. We already have too many now. Somebody wasn't looking or paying attention to our roster.

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    If we did this trade, we'd have too many players. We already have too many now. Somebody wasn't looking or paying attention to our roster.
    We'll split the team in two. One will play at Conseco and the other at the Coliseum. That way, we'll get 3 lottery picks!
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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    Well I fully support the trading of JO, Tinsley, and Jackson in a rebuilding effort. That trade flat out sucks, Hinrich and the First, and i would do it.

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    Well I fully support the trading of JO, Tinsley, and Jackson in a rebuilding effort.
    I'm not in favor of a rebuilding effort, but I'm not against trading those three.

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    I'f I'm trading JO, I would want Hinrich, the New York pick, and they have to take Tinsley off our hands. *

    Then what ever they want to throw in to match salaries.

    *They don't want or need Jackson.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    I don't think Bulls would do Hinrich for JO straight up, much less start throwing around draft picks and prospects.

    Athletic, talented forwards who have probably already peaked are less valuable than young, talented PGs with their best years are ahead of them, particularly in today's NBA and particularly since JO hasn't shown himself to be the kind of player that will lead a team to a championship.

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    I'd keep JO put. The season hasn't even started yet, the guy's have apparently been working very hard in preseason, and we've finally got Al back in house together with JO. No WAY would I do a deal with the Bulls for JO!

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    If we did this trade, we'd have too many players. We already have too many now. Somebody wasn't looking or paying attention to our roster.
    It might make sense if they offered us a new backcourt for JO, thus opening up minutes for Harrison, Baston and Powell to develop into rotation players or future trade assets. It could also help the team protect this year's pick in the deepest draft in years by making the team worse in the short term. But as has been said, the Pacers have too many players to be trading one for two or one for three. Maybe the Bulls can sweeten the deal by throwing in a roster spot or two.

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    Default Re: Sam Smith: Time may be Ripe for Bulls to deal for Pacers O'Neal

    Smith saying that JO has a poor work ethic is downright ignorant.

    How does somebody become one of the best low-post players in the league without a work ethic? His abilities in the post are not due to a size or athleticism advantage, it's low-post moves and skills that take a lot of time to develop. The fact he built his body up to be relatively muscular (hard to do on a thin frame), is also another indication of a good work ethic.

    It really annoys me when reporters just make stuff up to support a weak argument.

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