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Who will give the Colts their first loss?

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  • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

    Come on now PF46, don't bring actual facts into the argument.

    EDIT: Breaking down the stats a little bit further, Peyton completes 59.93% of his passes for 12.75 yards/completion. TB completes 61.03% for 11.08ypc.
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    • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

      Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
      Career playoff stats:

      Peyton Manning Postseason Stats:

      # 322 passes attempted
      # 193 passes completed
      # 2,461 passing yards
      # 15 passing touchdowns
      # 8 passes intercepted

      Tom Brady Postseason Stats:

      # 367 passes attempted
      # 225 passes completed
      # 2493 passing yards
      # 15 passing touchdowns
      # 5 passes intercepted

      That Peyton Manning, a regular dud in the playoffs. That Tom Brady, a regular god in the playoffs ..... right?
      Wow, I didn't realize all those first round wins against Denver and the likes padded his stats that much!

      Man!!

      Not let's see him advance past the AFC Championship game.

      You can't honestly tell me you'd rather have Manning over Brady in a big game. It's illogical. You should go read Simmon's latest article on ESPN.

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      • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

        Er, referencing Simmons in a Brady/Manning debate?

        And didn't Brady himself just lose to Denver last year? Maybe he didn't. Honestly I'm kinda vague on who they lost to. But if it was Denver, then it seems kinda odd to pass our Denver wins off as stat-padding fodder... but whatever, truthfully, I don't care. Continue onward.

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        • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

          Originally posted by Just View Post
          Er, referencing Simmons in a Brady/Manning debate?

          And didn't Brady himself just lose to Denver last year? Maybe he didn't. Honestly I'm kinda vague on who they lost to. But if it was Denver, then it seems kinda odd to pass our Denver wins off as stat-padding fodder... but whatever, truthfully, I don't care. Continue onward.
          Brady has always had a tough time against Denver. Hard to beat Champ Bailey without pro-bowl WRs. Thats the only team the Pats have lost to this year as well...but at the time of that game, Brady's chemistry with his WR's was terrible and he could only throw consistently to his TEs.

          I referenced Simmons because he is good at looking at things from a LOGICAL standpoint. He tries to get past the homerism to see why people would really think Manning is a better playoff QB then Brady.

          My whole point is this, find me the stats of Brady and Manning when the game is on the line. The Crunch-Time Stats. I'm sure those would tell a COMPLETELY different story.

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          • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

            Originally posted by Moses View Post
            Brady has always had a tough time against Denver. Hard to beat Champ Bailey without pro-bowl WRs. Thats the only team the Pats have lost to this year as well.

            I referenced Simmons because he is good at looking at things from a LOGICAL standpoint. He tries to get past the homerism to see why people would really think Manning is a better playoff QB then Brady.

            My whole point is this, find me the stats of Brady and Manning when the game is on the line. The Crunch-Time Stats. I'm sure those would tell a COMPLETELY different story.
            I don't really care about the QB debate, but the fact that you think Simmons is good at getting past his homerism strikes me as odd. I've never, ever, thought so. He's almost blatantly homerific.

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            • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

              Originally posted by Just View Post
              I don't really care about the QB debate, but the fact that you think Simmons is good at getting past his homerism strikes me as odd. I've never, ever, thought so. He's almost blatantly homerific.
              I guess..but he still makes some very valid points in favor of Brady.

              Just about every NE receiver that's left the Pats has fallen off the face of the earth. Givens, Branch, etc..all are playing pretty bad on their new teams.

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              • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                The stats comparison is a bit lame unless you take into account what the QB does in the regular season and how his performance changes under pressure.

                All playoff games are against good opponents, so I's expect the QB ratings, completion percentages, yards, etc. to drop in postseason.

                I'd be absolutely stunned if Brady's numbers drop as much as Mannings in the playoffs.

                Manning is statistically a better regular season quarterback. If the regular season is what floats your boat, then I guess you'd rather have him over Brady.
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                • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                  Originally posted by Moses View Post
                  I guess..but he still makes some very valid points in favor of Brady.
                  YOU GUESS!?

                  The headline of the freaking article is, "I really hate the Colts," and you guess he's a homer?

                  Wow, just wow.
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                  • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                    Originally posted by pacertom View Post
                    The stats comparison is a bit lame unless you take into account what the QB does in the regular season and how his performance changes under pressure.

                    All playoff games are against good opponents, so I's expect the QB ratings, completion percentages, yards, etc. to drop in postseason.

                    I'd be absolutely stunned if Brady's numbers drop as much as Mannings in the playoffs.

                    Manning is statistically a better regular season quarterback. If the regular season is what floats your boat, then I guess you'd rather have him over Brady.
                    You want to compare regular seasons stats too?

                    Brady
                    1712-2780 = 61.6%
                    19633yds
                    11.47 ypc
                    137 TD 70 INT= 1.96 TD:INT ratio
                    88.8 Rating
                    87 games played

                    PER GAME
                    19.68-31.94
                    225.66yds
                    1.57 TD
                    .80 INT
                    39.71:1 pass att:INT

                    Manning
                    2932-4578 = 64%
                    35154yds
                    11.99ypc
                    259 TD 132 INT= 1.96 TD:INT ratio
                    94.3 Rating
                    135 games played

                    PER GAME
                    21.72-33.91
                    260.40yds
                    1.91 TD
                    .98 INT
                    34.68:1 pass att:INT

                    So after comparing regular season stats, and playoff stats, Brady is the great QB of all time and Peyton doesn't mount to much.

                    If someone will find the number of playoff games both have been in, I'll break them down too.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      YOU GUESS!?

                      The headline of the freaking article is, "I really hate the Colts," and you guess he's a homer?

                      Wow, just wow.
                      And half the people debating me here hating the Patriots isn't the same exact thing?

                      Give me a freaking break.

                      You still haven't given me a single reason I'd rather have Peyton over Brady in a playoff game. Not a single one...and that's because there is no reason. Brady is a better playoff QB then Manning PERIOD. Brady performs in crunch time whereas Manning doesn't. And until he does, I wont back down on my argument that Brady is a better QB then Manning...because the playoffs are where it counts. Manning has had a juggernaut of an offense to work with for the past 3-4 years. Having a hall of fame WR and another young stud WR as well as a very good RB in Edgerrin James..there is no excuse to not be able to come up with some offense in crunch time when you have those kind of weapons at your disposal. Not to mention, the Colts defense last year was stacked in terms of pass rushing and did a very good job all around.

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                      • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        So after comparing regular season stats, and playoff stats, Brady is the great QB of all time and Peyton doesn't mount to much.

                        If someone will find the number of playoff games both have been in, I'll break them down too.
                        You don't seem to get at what I'm saying, at all.

                        I'm talking about THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW EACH PERFORMS IN THE POSTSEASON AS COMPARED TO HOW THEY EACH PERFORM IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

                        Your stats show that statistically Peyton Manning is much superior to Tom Brady in the regular season and that they are nearly equal statistically in the postseason (except turnovers).

                        That's what I expected to be the case. That's exactly what I was getting at-- there is a bigger dropoff in performance for Manning in the postseason

                        Manning plays in a higher risk/more wide open system where he can be the gunslinger and outscore the oppositon. But... in the postseason he doesn't do that.

                        Brady is in a more conservative, clock-killing, long drive control-the-ball system. He excels in the regular season and maintains that (and then some) in the postseason.
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                        • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                          Originally posted by Moses
                          And half the people debating me here hating the Patriots isn't the same exact thing?

                          Give me a freaking break.



                          No, it's not the same thing. Simmons is the sports world's most widely recognized Pats homer. Telling us that we ought to go read his (trashy) article was pretty silly. It'd be as silly as us telling you to go read some obviously biased article from the Colts equivalent of Simmons (megahomer sportswriter).

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                          • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                            Originally posted by Moses
                            And half the people debating me here hating the Patriots isn't the same exact thing?

                            Give me a freaking break.
                            No, it's not the same thing. How many on here are journalists that are being cited as evidence?

                            I doubt half hate the Patriots, I know I don't. I don't even dislike Tom Brady. I actually think he's the league's second best QB.

                            But to use something that is completely one-sided, admits it's one-sided, is called out for being one-sided and when it's called out you offer an "I guess" answer.

                            It's not you guess when the freaking title says so. A break is only the start........
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                              Originally posted by pacertom View Post
                              You don't seem to get at what I'm saying, at all.

                              I'm talking about THE DIFFERENCE IN HOW EACH PERFORMS IN THE POSTSEASON AS COMPARED TO HOW THEY EACH PERFORM IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

                              Your stats show that statistically Peyton Manning is much superior to Tom Brady in the regular season and that they are nearly equal statistically in the postseason (except turnovers).

                              That's what I expected to be the case. That's exactly what I was getting at-- there is a bigger dropoff in performance for Manning in the postseason

                              Manning plays in a higher risk/more wide open system where he can be the gunslinger and outscore the oppositon. But... in the postseason he doesn't do that.

                              Brady is in a more conservative, clock-killing, long drive control-the-ball system. He excels in the regular season and maintains that (and then some) in the postseason.

                              Obviously you missed the part about me asking someone to find the number of playoff games for each player, so I could break down the postseason stats the same way.



                              You can't tell playoff production, because they're overall numbers. If Brady/Manning played in 3 or 3 more games than the other, the stats can't be compared. Until they're broken down by a per game basis you're conclusion of what they say are VERY flawed.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • Re: Who will give the Colts their first loss?

                                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                                No, it's not the same thing. How many on here are journalists that are being cited as evidence?

                                I doubt half hate the Patriots, I know I don't. I don't even dislike Tom Brady. I actually think he's the league's second best QB.

                                But to use something that is completely one-sided, admits it's one-sided, is called out for being one-sided and when it's called out you offer an "I guess" answer.

                                It's not you guess when the freaking title says so. A break is only the start........
                                Well, my mistake then.

                                So how about we get back on topic and you give me the answer I've been looking for...Do I need to ask it 50 more times only to have you ignore it?

                                Would you honestly want Peyton as your starting QB over Brady in the playoffs? This will end the entire discussion so stop avoiding it.

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