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    Extra year of probation for Jackson

    Michigan prosecutor says Pacer has not fulfilled terms of sentence for his part in 2004 brawl

    By Mike Wells
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    October 10, 2006



    Stephen Jackson has been given an extra year of probation because he did not complete the terms of his sentence for his part in the brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills in 2004, an Oakland County (Mich.) assistant prosecutor said Monday.

    The Indiana Pacers shooting guard was originally sentenced to one year of probation, 60 hours of community service, fined $250 and ordered to undergo anger management counseling. His probation was scheduled to end Sept. 23, but assistant prosecutor John Pietrofesa said it was extended to Sept. 23, 2007, after Jackson failed to complete all of the conditions of the deal.

    "He hadn't satisfied everything he was supposed to do so he is under probation for another year," said Pietrofesa, who did not specify which of the conditions Jackson failed to complete.

    Pietrofesa said last week's incident had no bearing on Jackson's probation since no charges have been filed. On Friday morning, Jackson was involved in an incident outside a Westside strip club in which he fired five gunshots into the air after he was hit by a car. Indianapolis police said Jackson, along with three of his teammates, "were victims in this case."

    Jackson, who is recovering from injuries suffered during the altercation, is expected to join his teammates at practice today.

    "It's going to be a few days before he'll be able to participate in contact drills because he has a lot of stitches in his lips," coach Rick Carlisle said. "The plastic surgeon wants to make sure that those things don't get busted out until they're taken out."

    Carlisle said Jackson is "very doubtful" for Wednesday's preseason game against New Jersey at Conseco Fieldhouse.

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    Maybe he should take more time completing the terms of his probation and less time playing cowboy at 3 am outside of strip clubs. Just a thought.

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    I mentioned in another thread.......I believe if they wanted they could revoke his probation because he was carrying a firearm while on probation.

    Legal minds.......am I right or not?

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    Extra year of probation for Jackson

    Michigan prosecutor says Pacer has not fulfilled terms of sentence for his part in 2004 brawl

    By Mike Wells
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    October 10, 2006

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    Indianapolis police said Jackson, along with three of his teammates, "were victims in this case."

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    So this statement by the police means absolutely nothing in your assessment of the situation? You don't think the media has turned the attention from this statement even a little?

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    A man was arrested on criminal recklessnesscharges for a fight outside a strip club in which police sayIndiana Pacers guard Stephen Jackson fired a gun in the air afterhe was slugged in the mouth and hit by a car.

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    What did he forget to do? Pay the fine?

    This is just stupid.

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    What did he forget to do? Pay the fine?

    This is just stupid.
    This bugs me a lot more than the Rio thing, at least as the evidence stands now in that case. Probation isn't that tough to take care of, especially if you have money. Show up to things, listen to people, put some time in doing community work.

    If anything I think it sometimes goes too light on people. There is no good reason for him to have blown this. If he had good reasons for any of it he could have presented it to them and had times/dates adjusted as long as he was putting forth the effort in their mind.


    He had already messed this up before he got near Club Rio.

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    What did he forget to do? Pay the fine?

    This is just stupid.

    A guess would be that he didn't perform the community service. Just a guess though.

    Sort of goes right back to his pattern of making poor judgments/decisions.
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    Jax really needs to find him a good woman and get married so he will have someone to remind him of what is important and needs to get taken care of. It works for me!

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    I mentioned in another thread.......I believe if they wanted they could revoke his probation because he was carrying a firearm while on probation.

    Legal minds.......am I right or not?

    Where is Vicious Tyrannt on this?????
    I thought he was OK because the probation had ended. But this changes that... at least somewhat. So, does this mean the probation period never ended or was there a window of time he was off probation?

    In any case.... Mistakes do happen so I wouldn't be too quick to judge that it is a fact that he didn't complete the terms of the deal. He might've failed to get credit for some community service time, or some paperwork might've slipped thru the cracks. It happens.

    But if in fact he did skip out on his terms...

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    In any case.... Mistakes do happen so I wouldn't be too quick to judge that it is a fact that he didn't complete the terms of the deal. He might've failed to get credit for some community service time, or some paperwork might've slipped thru the cracks. It happens.

    But if in fact he did skip out on his terms...

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    See I guess Jack is just unlucky, they didn't lose the other guys paper work.
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    the whole world is conspiring against our poor innocent Saint Stephen.
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    OK this has me ticked. The club rio thing I can live with. Not fulfilling the terms of probation is another.

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    I feel sorry for Steve. First, he gets punched in the mouth by ET, then Dino runs over him, he then get's interrogated by police. He goes in the next day and surely had to sit through hours of a verbal assault from Walsh & Bird, has a court appearance to make on Wed, and now this.

    When it rains it pours!

    He should just chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on. Keep your head up Stevie!

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    Jax really needs to find him a good woman and get married so he will have someone to remind him of what is important and needs to get taken care of. It works for me!
    Actually, he did find one and was about to be married. The story goes that she wouldn't sign a pre nup and he told her to get lost.

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    I thought he was OK because the probation had ended. But this changes that... at least somewhat. So, does this mean the probation period never ended or was there a window of time he was off probation?
    My guess is that because he was on probabtion for misdemeanor assault & battery, rather than felony, it doesn't matter.

    Not 100% on that - call it 95%.

    If it had been a felony his permit would have been revoked, I believe. Otherwise, unless his probation terms specified it, he should be OK.
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    Is it over yet?

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    I feel sorry for Steve. First, he gets punched in the mouth by ET, then Dino runs over him, he then get's interrogated by police. He goes in the next day and surely had to sit through hours of a verbal assault from Walsh & Bird, has a court appearance to make on Wed, and now this.

    When it rains it pours!

    He should just chalk it up as a lesson learned and move on. Keep your head up Stevie!
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    Everyone is going to remember the initial "Michigan prosecutor says Pacer has not fulfilled terms of sentence for his part in 2004 brawl," from October 10.

    And now the Star says that:

    Jackson's lawyer said the player's probation will be terminated if restitution is resolved in a civil suit brought against him from the brawl in 2004. Jackson's probation has been extended to Sept. 23, 2007.
    Attorney Jim Voyles said William Pawlson, represented by Geoffrey Fieger, has a pending civil suit against Jackson.

    "Mr. Jackson's probation would have terminated on Sept. 23, 2006, if not for an issue of restitution," Voyles said. "He has completed community service, he has completed anger management, all fines and costs have been paid. The only issue to be resolved is whether or not any restitution is owed at all."


    If this is true, I'm pretty peeved. This civil suit thing is pretty different in my mind when compared to the initial article, which implied that Jack failed to do his community service or something.

    Hey, Indy Star - how about we wait until we know what the details are before we report something (in the initial story it was said that prosecutors "did not specify which of the conditions Jackson failed to complete.")? We would have a much better picture of what was going on. As it stands we'll have some people running around thinking one thing and some thinking another.

    Now I'm not one of those that thinks Jack is a blameless victim in all of this. I happen to think he has been victimized in some ways and has shown some serious bad judgment in others ways. Like most things in life, it isn't black or white. But this kind of reporting....burns my arse.

    Rant off.

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    Actually, he did find one and was about to be married. The story goes that she wouldn't sign a pre nup and he told her to get lost.
    Looks like holding out for the pre-nup may have cost him even more.

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    If it had been a felony his permit would have been revoked, I believe. Otherwise, unless his probation terms specified it, he should be OK.
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    Everyone is going to remember the initial "Michigan prosecutor says Pacer has not fulfilled terms of sentence for his part in 2004 brawl," from October 10.

    And now the Star says that:

    Jackson's lawyer said the player's probation will be terminated if restitution is resolved in a civil suit brought against him from the brawl in 2004. Jackson's probation has been extended to Sept. 23, 2007.
    Attorney Jim Voyles said William Pawlson, represented by Geoffrey Fieger, has a pending civil suit against Jackson.

    "Mr. Jackson's probation would have terminated on Sept. 23, 2006, if not for an issue of restitution," Voyles said. "He has completed community service, he has completed anger management, all fines and costs have been paid. The only issue to be resolved is whether or not any restitution is owed at all."

    If this is true, I'm pretty peeved. This civil suit thing is pretty different in my mind when compared to the initial article, which implied that Jack failed to do his community service or something.

    Hey, Indy Star - how about we wait until we know what the details are before we report something (in the initial story it was said that prosecutors "did not specify which of the conditions Jackson failed to complete.")? We would have a much better picture of what was going on. As it stands we'll have some people running around thinking one thing and some thinking another.

    Now I'm not one of those that thinks Jack is a blameless victim in all of this. I happen to think he has been victimized in some ways and has shown some serious bad judgment in others ways. Like most things in life, it isn't black or white. But this kind of reporting....burns my arse.

    Rant off.
    I thought the initial article was clear that he'd performed his community service but hadn't completed all the other terms of his probation.

    Of course, maybe we each read different "initial articles."
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    I thought the initial article was clear that he'd performed his community service but hadn't completed all the other terms of his probation.

    Of course, maybe we each read different "initial articles."
    That's certainly possible! When I said initial article, I meant the one that heads this thread. It says:

    The Indiana Pacers shooting guard was originally sentenced to one year of probation, 60 hours of community service, fined $250 and ordered to undergo anger management counseling. His probation was scheduled to end Sept. 23, but assistant prosecutor John Pietrofesa said it was extended to Sept. 23, 2007, after Jackson failed to complete all of the conditions of the deal.

    "He hadn't satisfied everything he was supposed to do so he is under probation for another year," said Pietrofesa, who did not specify which of the conditions Jackson failed to complete.


    Since there was no mention of the fact that settling the civil suit is a condition of his probation in this article, I think we are left to assume that he flaked on the community service hours, the fine, or the anger management.

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