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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

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  • #61
    Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

    I'm in. I'll beat you all just like i'm beating all these boys/girls in Football fantasy right now.

    Invite me: N****T@yahoo.com (underscore between the h and t example n****t)

    I'll bet we have enough for 3 league.

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    • #62
      Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

      Originally posted by travmil View Post
      The head to head scoring is probalby not a problem, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect 12 or more managers to all be available at the exact same time to draft. Even if you do get them all available at the same time, how do you know they won't be behind a work firewall that prevents them from participating as happened to skyfire and I last year? Sure it's an ideal situation, but I'm not sure how likely it is to happen.
      Travmil - Here is the best way to do this with the amount of people for 3 leagues (or more). Do a poll vote for 1. live pick, 2. autopick or 3. either - whichever one each person prefers. Then place each person in their selected league. Then select a commish for each league, then go with it.

      We could even create a new league at playoff time of each of the top 3-4 teams from each league, or something like that.

      I also vote for the head to head league (ala fantasy football), versus the other type where its a year long accumulous scoring system - its a boring system.

      I would just soon pre-rank my players, then let yahoo autopick. Thats the challenge of fantasy sports - making your team better throughout the season. I personally dont have time for a live draft, nor do I have a high speed connection to do it best with.

      One other suggestion - set up a league voting system for all trades.

      my 2 cents.

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      • #63
        Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

        I also like the idea of 3 seperate leagues and drafts.

        For example;

        League A - Live Draft
        League B - offline Draft
        League C - rest of majority
        STARBURY

        08 and Beyond

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        • #64
          Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

          I like BoomBaby's idea of league approval of trades. That should be the default in all of fantasy sports.

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          • #65
            Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

            Originally posted by btowncolt View Post
            No, there were 3 leagues last year. I still have my correspondence with the other 2 commishes.

            CableKC, that depends. Can someone tell me what exactly is going on? I was going to start organizing the way I always do after this weekend, but I can't tell what is happening.
            btown,

            I will certainly defer to your expertise in setting anything up like this up.....I only started this thread to gauge interest.

            If you wish, we can wait until after the weekend to split up the participants into 3 leagues, assign a Commish to each league. Once the Commish and participants have be divided....I assume that each league can work on their own to determine a Draft date and time that can best accomodate their schedules.

            The list of 33 participants is below ( in order of signup in the thread )

            CableKC
            tdubb03
            Lord Helmet
            docpaul
            Jermainiac
            Skyfire
            Robertmto
            aero
            PacerPerspective
            birdman
            FlavaDave
            fwpacerfan
            Outsider
            LoneGranger33
            granger
            Isaac@Section216
            travmil
            Pig Nash
            mvpjermaine
            Dukins
            CompACE
            bambam
            dbrown 31
            BoomBaby33
            Trich
            pacers20
            kshay
            Miller4ever
            sixthman
            tinsley#11
            Frostwolf
            Jon Theodore

            As there is no rush to setup the league....we can do what we did last year and setup 3 leagues of 12 each. Assuming that you play...we would only need 2 more people to join....which shouldn't be too hard to get over the next day or so. We can probably cut the list to 36 participants.
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #66
              Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

              Believe me, I'm certainly grateful you're keeping track of all these people. I'll get to the dir(rrr)ty work later this week of trying to break people into groups. The good news is that the league with my friends has enough people that no PDers have to join this year for the first time. That's assuming everyone registers, of course.

              If you want, keep taking people down. It'll make things much smoother and simpler for me in a week or so.

              Until then, I'm off to study for the LSAT. Have to get my score from the 99.1%tile to the 99.6%tile if I want to go my first choice law school.......

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              • #67
                Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                Add me to the list, if you need more to make it to an even 36

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                • #68
                  Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                  I would also be interested if there is room.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                    Put me in the league with some cool people I'm not trying to be in a group with people who got 4.6 posts.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                      Okay....we are at 35 now...assuming that btowncolt is playing as well:

                      CableKC
                      tdubb03
                      Lord Helmet
                      docpaul
                      Jermainiac
                      Skyfire
                      Robertmto
                      aero
                      PacerPerspective
                      birdman
                      FlavaDave
                      fwpacerfan
                      Outsider
                      LoneGranger33
                      granger
                      Isaac@Section216
                      travmil
                      Pig Nash
                      btowncolt
                      mvpjermaine
                      Dukins
                      CompACE
                      bambam
                      dbrown 31
                      BoomBaby33
                      Trich
                      pacers20
                      kshay
                      Miller4ever
                      sixthman
                      tinsley#11
                      Frostwolf
                      Jon Theodore
                      burnzone
                      AB1077

                      So that we don't keep on going forever.......the next person to join will be the last one added to the list so that we can leave it at an even 36 players to split up in to 3 leagues of 12 GMs each.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                        So, are we going to divide up all the players once we know how many and then are we going to do the invitations and such?
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                        • #72
                          Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                          I will defer to btown as he is the expert on this.

                          btown, I'm assuming that at some point.....we'll have to simply divide the 36 into 3 groups of 12....then we can split it up based on the order of who signed up ( unless someone objects )

                          1st League
                          CableKC
                          tdubb03
                          Lord Helmet
                          docpaul
                          Jermainiac
                          Skyfire
                          Robertmto
                          aero
                          PacerPerspective
                          birdman
                          FlavaDave
                          fwpacerfan


                          2nd League
                          Outsider
                          LoneGranger33
                          granger
                          Isaac@Section216
                          travmil
                          Pig Nash
                          btowncolt
                          mvpjermaine
                          Dukins
                          CompACE
                          bambam
                          dbrown 31


                          3rd League
                          BoomBaby33
                          Trich
                          pacers20
                          kshay
                          Miller4ever
                          sixthman
                          tinsley#11
                          Frostwolf
                          Jon Theodore
                          burnzone
                          AB1077
                          ????? ( 36th participants )
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                            i would like a live draft, if we are split into league. We should vote on the rules. I would like head to head as already mentioned.


                            2006 WORLD CHAMPION INDIANAPOLIS COLTS

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                            • #74
                              Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                              If you need a 36th, I'll play.
                              You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                              • #75
                                Re: Yahoo Fantasy BBall 06 is up and running

                                Originally posted by AesopRockOn View Post
                                If you need a 36th, I'll play.
                                With AesopRockOn...we have our 36th particpant.
                                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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