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    Shawne Williams???

    I don't think I've ever seen a first round pick with such low discussion. Our second round pick is getting far more talking points. Is it because nobody cares about Williams, have no faith in him, don't like him or just think it will be a long while before he is ready?

    I saw him on NBAtv the other day doing an interview at the NBA store, he was there shooting his rookie card shot, & I'll say this he looks bulked up from what I saw in clips of him.

    I also was very impressed with his demeanor in the interview. He said he was taking Larry Birds words to heart (Larry told him to shoot 300+ jump shots a day) & that he was going to do everything he could do to get ready to play right away.

    Not really what I expected to be honest with you.


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    I just don't know if I should expect him to do or be anything or not, to be honest. He seemed thin and perimeter based, which is fine if he's a 3, but not a 4. James White sounds more ready and more what we need, so like most my thoughts have been on him when I think about who we drafted.

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    I'm not as surprised.....as most of us...outside of Jermaniac...proabably haven't even heard of Shawne before the draft...much less during the draft. The most that I heard on him was from Bird's post-draft interview of him on ESPN.

    Like any other rookie....he's a project......its just strange that he's viewed ( at least from a PD perspective ) as more of a project then White would be.

    Maybe if Shawne played more during the Summer League.....or had some highlight reels on YouTube ( as btowncolts suggests )....we would have a better handle of his game.
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    I'm not as surprised.....as most of us...outside of Jermaniac...proabably haven't even heard of Shawne before the draft...much less during the draft.
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    Yes, the two players I would be ecstatic if we were able steal at 17 would be.

    Ronnie Brewer for sure I think he is everything you can ask for if your the Pacers. Defensive intensity , nose for the ball, good handles, can go to the glass. He reminds me of a combo of Maggette/ Artest .. skill set wise that is .. He has been though slowing rising on the Draft Boards so Indiana may have to trade up.....

    or Shawne Williams... HUGE upside, good size versatile like a Granger but I think he is more of a true Swingman , more of a natural shooter and ball handler..


    I think there were some that follow College and all the Pre-Draft Hype , that knew of him. But yes for the most part he is still not a widely known player, due in part to being on a deep Memphis club.

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    I'm not as surprised.....as most of us...outside of Jermaniac...proabably haven't even heard of Shawne before the draft...much less during the draft. The most that I heard on him was from Bird's post-draft interview of him on ESPN.
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    Until there are clips of him on youtube with R. Kelly playing in the background, I don't think he's worth anything.

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    His first name should have been Marcus.
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    His first name should have been Marcus.
    I don't know about that...but I think we'd all agree that we're relieved his first name isn't Jay/Jason...that **** got really confusing around the time the one guy pulled a Cheney on his limo driver, rest his soul.

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    I have to agree with Jay on what the regular season is for. We have a prime example in our own back yard. What did the Colts regular season mean?
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    He is at least a year away, but he will be talked about. He will be an amazing player.

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    I'm excited about him. I liked that pick.

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    he's a year or two away from cracking the rotation, which is why i don't think many ppl are talking about him. on the other hand, white has a good chance of getting some PT this year, which is why he is talked about.

    from what i've heard, shawne has a ton of potential. he's got some great mentors and comptetion at the forward spots from harrington, jo, and granger. time will tell i guess.

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    I guess I'm looking at him as a project, and I have a hard time getting excited about "projects" any more.

    But, he does seem to be saying and doing the right things.
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    This is a good question.

    I think the way Hicks does. Plus, right now I'm putting Shawne Williams in the same mental compartment as Kenny Williams. As Doug says, he's a project.
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    think its several things, most of which are already mentioned above.

    1) He's a project (and he'd be best served by spending the next season or two in the NBDL instead of being a "warm" body for shootarounds and the occasional practice session.)

    2) Our coach has a history of severly limiting the roles for rookies. Sure you can argue that Granger got minutes last season - mostly becasue of Artest's trade demands and JO's injuries. He also spent most of last season at PF (which makes the Granger @ SG discussion odd to me).

    3) We have significant talent ahead of him on the depth chart. Who's minutes are you cutting back to play this kid? Granger? No. Harrington? No. JO? No. David/Jeff? No. There aren't any frontcourt minutes available.

    4) This move seems to be a "Larry Bird" move, and the other moves allegedly attributed to Bird don't exactly scream "TRUST ME ON THIS!!"

    I keep looking at the number of young (high school, college freshmen and sophomores) taken as mid-first rounders that turn into busts or just underwhelming players for whatever reason. (Dion Glover, anyone?) I think the odds of this kid not panning out in the NBA are pretty high. And the odds of him not panning out for the Pacers are significantly higher, because of our coach and frontcourt depth.
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    Maybe Shawne Williams will turn out to be Al Harrington part 2.

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    I think the low down on Shawne was, a kid who has a lot of natural talent and tools at his disposal, but caught between a few positions.

    Played an extra year at a prep school before Memphis.

    Can put the ball on the floor and had decent range.

    But as far as the mental, physical, playing defense etc.for some reason, was not able to put it all together consistently just yet, but had the ability.

    However an overall "good" kid atitude wise.

    I know especially around these parts, potential and upside are four letter words, but I have feeling Shawne should prove to be an exception, given the chance. Although I do think it will be a process not too much of an immediate impact.

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    I think the low down on Shawne was, a kid who has a lot of natural talent and tools at his disposal, but caught between a few positions.

    Played an extra year at a prep school before Memphis.

    Can put the ball on the floor and had decent range.

    But as far as the mental, physical, playing defense etc.for some reason, was not able to put it all together consistently just yet, but had the ability.

    However an overall "good" kid atitude wise.

    I know especially around these parts, potential and upside are four letter words, but I have feeling Shawne should prove to be an exception, given the chance. Although I do think it will be a process not too much of an immediate impact.
    I think this is pretty accurate. I know I can't look at Williams without thinking "Bender 2.0."

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    I think this is pretty accurate. I know I can't look at Williams without thinking "Bender 2.0."

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    I don't think I've ever seen a first round pick with such low discussion. Our second round pick is getting far more talking points. Is it because nobody cares about Williams, have no faith in him, don't like him or just think it will be a long while before he is ready?
    Personally, I've talked more about White because I saw him quite a bit in summer league and was impressed. Williams may end up as a good pick, but I haven't seen him and so I can't get too impressed.

    I will say he looked pretty decent in the limited SL minutes he got, but I just need more time before I'm going to get excited about him.

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    Personally, I've talked more about White because I saw him quite a bit in summer league and was impressed. Williams may end up as a good pick, but I haven't seen him and so I can't get too impressed.

    I will say he looked pretty decent in the limited SL minutes he got, but I just need more time before I'm going to get excited about him.
    Ditto.

    I have never watched him play aside from serving as background scenary to the Rodney Carney show. And I put very little stock in anything any scouting sites or draft reports ever have to say about people. They all pretty much seem to get their info from one initial report and just repeat whatever the other guy had to say. Very, very little creative thought seems to go into these things.

    Physically, he looks like an NBA player. But so do lots of other guys that became nobodies.

    Basically, I haven't talked about him because I have no opinion. Yet.
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    Basically, I haven't talked about him because I have no opinion. Yet.
    Good answer! Not having an opinion didn't stop other guys from giving one though! (Giggle,giggle,snort)

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    I for one look forward to seeing the kids progress over the next two years. I just think it is going to be hard for either of our rookies to carve out any consistent minutes this year. There is just too much talent at the 2, 3 and 4 spots in front of them. If either crack the rotation it will be because they earned it that is for sure.

    And I just dont buy the "Our coach has a history of severly limiting the roles for rookies" theme that Jay has repeatedly harped on over the Summer. Granger got to play, Harrison got a regular opportunity, James Jones got a regular opportunity. So I am not sure what history you are referring to, Jay, because I just dont see it based on the time Rick has been the coach of the Pacers.

    Those 3 guys mentioned are the only rookies that Rick has dealt with during his tenure here. And all have been given ample opportunity based on their skill level, development and the quality of the players playing in front of them.

    Honestly, what more could Rick have done with the 3 rookies he has been given to work with up to this point as the head coach of the Pacers?

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    Oh I left out Saras as a rookie. Again, given ample opportunity.

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    I never really freak out about any rookie.

    I'm mostly freaked out that all of these young players are going to be coached by Mr. "I'd-Rather-Play-a-Less-Talented-Veteran-Than-Build-The-Future-Of-The-Team" Carlisle.

    I like Carlisle more than most, but he better get an extension and a change of tune. If either doesn't happen, you can forget talking about the rookies and start talking about *next* year.

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