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    The Indiana Pacers added defensive specialist Leonard Perry to their coaching staff.

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    Perry was the coach at Idaho State for the past five seasons, compiling a 48-97 record. He previously worked as an assistant at Iowa State, where he coached Jamaal Tinsley, and Utah State.

    So a "defensive specialist" that loses 2 games for every game he wins is worthy of this job? Nice hire Donnie-Bird....just call him what he is, a baby sitter.

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    That hire is odd, I wonder what the front office is thinking.

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    His losing record means nothing to me, and IMO the record has no impact on whether he's a defensive specialist or not. Idaho seems like a horrible place to coach a basketball team, so I don't care about his won loss record. There could be a number of legitimate reasons why his record was bad and none of those reasons could have any impact on how he'll do as an assistant coach for the Pacers.

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    His losing record means nothing to me, and IMO the record has no impact on whether he's a defensive specialist or not. Idaho seems like a horrible place to coach a basketball team, so I don't care about his won loss record. There could be a number of legitimate reasons why his record was bad and none of those reasons could have any impact on how he'll do as an assistant coach for the Pacers.
    Come on...yes, Idaho is probably a bad place to coach...but it is not like the competition is stiff (they are a WAC team).........

    How can you say that the win/loss record means nothing to you? Funny, because Coach Perry disagrees with you. His qoute “I’ve pretty much known that you can’t win four games and expect to keep your job,” Perry said. “You have to win. I understand that. … We made changes I thought we needed to make. In no way, shape or form am I upset or mad. … Change is inevitable.”

    http://www.uiathletics.com/pages/spo...3537&PageID=13

    His team was 9th in the WAC in almost every defensive category.....Screams Defensive Specialist, huh???????

    Again, at the end of the day you have to win. He is a baby sitter.

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    Here are a couple of blog entries from a reporter who covers Idaho sports......

    http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/vandals/

    Perry hired; UI, err, ranked
    Former Vandal basketball coach Leonard Perry has landed an assistant coaching job with the Indiana Pacers on Rick Carlisle's staff.

    Here's a brief look at S-R story that will run Wednesday (we'll provide link to the complete article in the a.m.):

    Former University of Idaho men’s basketball coach Leonard Perry has been hired as an assistant coach with the Indiana Pacers.

    “It’s what I’ve always wanted to do,” Perry said of his first NBA appointment.

    The Pacers announced the addition of Perry and Johnny Davis as assistants on the team Website. Contract terms were not released. Perry is one of five assistants on head coach Rick Carlisle’s staff, according to the Pacers’ Website.

    Also, ESPN's bottom 10 rankings are out and Idaho is No. 9.

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    http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs...sp?postID=1737

    Elsewhere, former men's basketball coach Leonard Perry is up for an assistant coaching position with the Pacers. He's mentioned below the note on Adam Morrison. Many scoffed when Perry suggested he might try the NBA following his dismissal at Idaho, but coaches have extensive professional networks. I still believe Perry is a capable coach. His downfall at Idaho was recruiting, not his preparation or teaching.

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    My question: Will the coaching staff operate differently than last year, and will the changes help the team in discernable ways?

    Will Perry coach the defense in practice and manage that end of the floor during games? Will "defense-oriented head coach Rick Carlisle" defer to him? Or will Perry just make suggestions and run the rookies through drills while Carlisle focuses on game sets?

    What will Davis, Person and Forcier do, both during and between games?
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    Come on...yes, Idaho is probably a bad place to coach...but it is not like the competition is stiff (they are a WAC team).........

    How can you say that the win/loss record means nothing to you? Funny, because Coach Perry disagrees with you. His qoute “I’ve pretty much known that you can’t win four games and expect to keep your job,” Perry said. “You have to win. I understand that. … We made changes I thought we needed to make. In no way, shape or form am I upset or mad. … Change is inevitable.”

    http://www.uiathletics.com/pages/spo...3537&PageID=13

    His team was 9th in the WAC in almost every defensive category.....Screams Defensive Specialist, huh???????

    Again, at the end of the day you have to win. He is a baby sitter.


    Of course the win-loss records means something to Perry, he lost his job over it, but that does not have any impact on how he'll do as a 3rd or 4th asistant coach for the pacers. If the record means anything, then Johnny Davis is a horrible hire too.

    Perry might be a horrible head coach, I have no idea, but that doesn't mean he's a horrible assistant coach

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    Of course the win-loss records means something to Perry, he lost his job over it, but that does not have any impact on how he'll do as a 3rd or 4th asistant coach for the pacers. If the record means anything, then Johnny Davis is a horrible hire too.

    Perry might be a horrible head coach, I have no idea, but that doesn't mean he's a horrible assistant coach
    The question is about what his real role on this team is. Calling him a defensive specialist is a bit of a stretch when his team is 9th in almost every defensive category (in the WAC no less). What exactly is his specialty when it comes to defense? Why didn't this show up in his team stats, in a pathetic conf?

    Why do the Pacers call him a specialist?

    Not trying to argue.........it just seems to me a bit obvious why they hired this guy. And that may be a really good idea. Just call it what it is.

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    Here's his bio from his time at Iowa State......

    http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools...iast-staff.pdf

    Leonard Perry At A Glance

    Born: June 14, 1968, in Dallas, Texas
    Wife: Christina
    Children: Leonard III (14), Keisha Ann (9), Kayla Corrine (7),
    Justin Leonard (born March 1999)

    Education: B.S. in general studies with an English emphasis,
    University of Idaho, 1995

    Perry’s Coaching Experience
    1999- Associate Head Coach, Iowa State University
    •2000 NCAA Elite Eight
    •2000 Big 12 Regular-Season & Tournament Champions
    1998-99 Assistant Coach, Iowa State University
    1995-98 Assistant Coach, Utah Leonard Perry Associate Head Coach
    State University
    •1998 NCAA Tournament First Round
    •Two-time Big West Conference Champions
    •1998 Big West Conference Tournament Champions
    1993-95 Student Assistant Coach, University of Idaho
    •1993 Big Sky Conference Champions
    Perry’s Playing Experience
    1989-91 Two-year Letterwinner, University of Idaho
    •Starting point guard on 1990 NCAA Tournament qualifier
    •1990 Big Sky Conference Tournament Champions
    1986-88 Two-year Letterwinner, McLennan (Texas) Junior College
    •One of top point guards to transfer to Division I
    •First-team all-conference guard
    1982-86 Four-year Letterwinner, Kimball (Texas) High School
    •Honorable mention All-America
    •Kimball was 126-12 during his prep career

    Leonard Perry, who was the starting point guard on Idaho’s 1990 NCAA Tournament-bound squad, is in his third season at Iowa State working under Larry Eustachy. Perry was named associate head coach prior to the 1999-2000 season. Perry came to Iowa State after serving as an assistant coach at Utah State under Eustachy for three years. During his tenure, Utah State won two Big West Conference regular-season championships and secured a NCAA Tournament berth in 1998.

    “Over the years, I watched Leonard emerge from a defensive specialist role to earn a starting guard position on Idaho’s 1990 NCAA Tournament qualifying team, and now he is one of the top assistant coaches in the nation,” Eustachy said. “I believe Leonard understands every facet of the game and already has the skills to be a successful head coach. It has been rewarding for me to watch one of my former student-athletes mature into a role as an associate head coach at Iowa State University.”

    Having played for Eustachy, Perry subscribes to the philosophy that good defense creates offensive opportunities. He understands the game from the players’ perspective and aids the coaching staff in teaching those defensive principles to the Cyclones.

    Prior to his arrival in Logan, Perry served as a student assistant for Idaho head coach Joe Cravens during the 1994-95 season. Perry played for Eustachy his senior year at Idaho and then was a student assistant coach when the Vandals won the 1993 Big Sky Conference regular-season championship with a 24-8 overall record.

    Perry was no stranger to success as a player at Idaho. As the starting point guard, Perry led the Vandals to a 25-6 mark, which included a Big Sky Conference Tournament championship and a 1990 NCAA Tournament berth. He was known for tough defense, leadership and hard work and received the team’s most improved player award in 1990 and the Ronald White Award in 1991 as the Vandals’ most outstanding player.

    The former McLennan (Texas) Junior College standout arrived in Idaho with impressive credentials as one of Street & Smith’s top junior college transfer players. Perry earned all-North Texas Junior College Athletic Conference honors as a sophomore, averaging 16.2 ppg. He averaged 15.0 ppg as a freshman on a McLennan team that finished 27-6.

    He graduated from Idaho in 1995 with a degree in general studies with an emphasis in English.

    The Dallas, Texas, native was an honorable mention All-American at Kimball High School, where he earned all-state, all-district and all-Metro honors. The four-year letterwinner scored 32 points in the Texas Class 5A state championship game his senior year. Kimball was 126-12 during his prep career.

    He and his wife, Christina, have two daughters, Keisha Ann (9) and Kayla Corrine (7) and a son, Justin Leonard, who was born in March 1999. Perry also has one son, Leonard III (14).
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    Perry was the coach at Idaho State for the past five seasons, compiling a 48-97 record. He previously worked as an assistant at Iowa State, where he coached Jamaal Tinsley, and Utah State.

    So a "defensive specialist" that loses 2 games for every game he wins is worthy of this job? Nice hire Donnie-Bird....just call him what he is, a baby sitter.
    I agree with UB. Wins and losses mean nothing in the first 5 seasons that someone coaches. It depends on if you got a dream job or some place that has had a history of losing.

    Here's an example of a coach:

    1. Over a nine year period of time this coach only qualified for the NCAA tourney 1 time.

    2. His team did not win an NCAA tourney game in their first five tries.

    3. During a 3 year period he lost to a rival conference school seven consecutive times.

    4. His first 15 years he compiled a 3-9 record in the NCAA tourney.

    Now looking at the info above I would say that this coach isn't horrible but isn't anything special either.

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    This will be known as the greatest Pacer Hire ever....actually, I think this guy was really hired to replace Carlisle at mid-season. He is a stellar coach. He is a defensive specialist who was able to get his alma mater school to achieve to the heights of 9th place in defensive categories in the STELLAR WAC Conf.......I apoligize for questioning Donnie Bird...what the hell was I thinking.

    So if you want to ignore Wins/Losses....and ignore his defensive stats.....well, what exactly do you want to measure to determine his effectiveness? Player surveys on how "nice of a guy" he is? Just tell me and I will look it up.

    Again, I am simply saying that calling someone a "defensive specialist" when there are stats that show just how well his teams did defensively....well, you do the math.

    He is a baby sitter and nothing more. Matter of fact - when the Pacers give up on Tinsley after this season, do you think this guy will still be an assistant? I guess that will tell all, huh?

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    Maybe he's a good defensive coach, maybe he's not. But no way is Rick gonna let him run his D. He might let Davis run the offense, but Rick Carlisle is never gonna let some guy who was an assistant on an Elite Eight team 6 years ago run his defense.

    As I said in the other thread, I have no issue with hiring the guy. But the reason this guy was hired was to babysit Tinsley. Period. Anything else he gives us is gravy.
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    If this can keep Tins happy, then great hire.

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    C'mon, its semi-pro basketball we're talking about.

    Good defensive "coaching" is overrated. If you don't have the players, you won't have a good defensive team. Clearly, his team didn't have players.
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    Maybe he's a good defensive coach, maybe he's not. But no way is Rick gonna let him run his D. He might let Davis run the offense, but Rick Carlisle is never gonna let some guy who was an assistant on an Elite Eight team 6 years ago run his defense.

    As I said in the other thread, I have no issue with hiring the guy. But the reason this guy was hired was to babysit Tinsley. Period. Anything else he gives us is gravy.

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    His losing record means nothing to me, and IMO the record has no impact on whether he's a defensive specialist or not. Idaho seems like a horrible place to coach a basketball team, so I don't care about his won loss record. There could be a number of legitimate reasons why his record was bad and none of those reasons could have any impact on how he'll do as an assistant coach for the Pacers.
    That's very true about his record UB. I agree with you.

    But the thing that concerns me is that he has no NBA coaching experience. And we don't have any defenseive coaches, I think this Perry guy might be the best.

    Rick = offense
    Davis = offense/babysitter
    Person = shooting? I doubt Rick has him run the defense.
    Burke = pre-game preperation I believe.
    Forcier = ?, i'm not for sure what he does for the team but I didn't think defense is his thing.

    Then we have Perry. He might be a good defenseive coach, I sure hope he is, but he doesn't have NBA experience from what I know, and like Kegboy said Rick isn't going to let him run the defense, nor should he IMO.

    I DO NOT like our assistant coaching situation. Unless Forcier knows more about defense than I think, I see a lot of guys who know more about offense than defense and that is not a good thing when you want to play more uptempo, you need good defense and rebounding.

    The fact that he has no NBA coaching experience concerns me. We don't have room for a babysitter on the coaching staff. Why not make him a consultant with KO or something?

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