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    Memorial Stadium keeps popping up in discussions about the future of the SuperSonics as a Seattle team.

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    I have a personal grudge against the city of Seattle. I hope they loose the team. Then I'll know the curse I put on the city is working.

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    I really hope they can keep the Sonics - I can't imagine Seattle not having a team. Those people out there need a distraction from the rain, and Ray Allen is a pretty good distraction. At this point, anything the city can do to keep the team should be their plan.
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    If the city loves the sonics they should try getting them a new arena once every quarter-century...

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    I hope Seattle keeps the team also, but I have a question...

    At some point, won't we approach a point where all the "design" breakthroughs have been made? I mean, think about it. Can you think of any other industry besides sports where they're expected to destroy and rebuild their headquarters once every 15 years or so? Are advancements in architecture (a 4000+ year old field) still that rapid that we couldn't just replace the seats in some of these stadiums, refurbish the concessions/restrooms and call it a day?

    I understand that places like Conseco, where they "get it right" puts pressure on other venues to upgrade, but really, how long before Conseco is considered a dinosaur and we need to upgrade again? Is there any end in sight for this massive construction/destruction cycle?

    As a final for instance, I understand why they tore down MSA. It (and many other stadium implosions) are due to not having any (or enough) luxury suites. But won't we eventually reach a critical mass of sorts with the luxury suites? Won't we eventually come to a point where everyone has enough bathrooms and there are so many suites that they don't sell out every game? BTW, I'm not a fan of luxury suites. Yes, they add revenue to the pockets of the owners, but it makes for an overall poorer viewing experience for the average fan, and most teams don't spend more when they get their new arena, they just make more

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    key arena is a lot older than 15 years. that's a poor example.

    That relic is 39 freaking years old, and it's a piece of crap. If I owned the Sonics I'd be a little irriated that the city doesn't think my franchise is worth a decent place to play.

    Again, if they want the sonics to stay, It wouldn't hurt to build them a new stadium once every 40 years or so. It doesn't fit your examples at all.

    Key arena is SEVEN YEARS OLDER than Market Square Arena.

    Portland, Oakland, Phoenix, Utah, San Antonio, Houston and Denver all valued their franchsies enough to help them get a new stadium within the last 15 years or so, and half their old arenas weren't even as old as Key Arena.

    Seattle's really the only team out west still playing in an old arena. I can understand their frustration.

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    Eindar, I agree with what you've said there. KStat is right that Seattle doesn't fit those conditions, though.

    But I would rather see refurbishments made - new seats, better facilities, etc - than to see an older building torn down and a new one erected. I understand that MSA needed it, and Conseco is an awesome place, but it's kind of dumb, IMO, to demolish buildings like that when so much has been put in them. Not to mention, sports arenas often have deeper meaning to fans and cities than 'just an arena.' I know I'd hate to see Conseco trashed, no matter how bad it gets in the future.

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    key arena is a lot older than 15 years. that's a poor example.

    That relic is 39 freaking years old, and it's a piece of crap. If I owned the Sonics I'd be a little irriated that the city doesn't think my franchise is worth a decent place to play.

    Again, if they want the sonics to stay, It wouldn't hurt to build them a new stadium once every 40 years or so. It doesn't fit your examples at all.

    Key arena is SEVEN YEARS OLDER than Market Square Arena.

    Portland, Oakland, Phoenix, Utah, San Antonio, Houston and Denver all valued their franchsies enough to help them get a new stadium within the last 15 years or so, and half their old arenas weren't even as old as Key Arena.

    Seattle's really the only team out west still playing in an old arena. I can understand their frustration.
    I kinda got away from the topic. Of course Seattle needs a new areana. The one that was actually popping into my mind was the O-rena in Orlando. That building was, what, 10 years old when they demanded a new arena?

    Also, this is probably also a poor example, but how old is Madison Square Gardens? And does anyone else miss that the way they used to drop the lights at MSA so all you could see was the game, and they turned the lights back on at the end of quarters and at the half, like MSG still does?

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    the O-rena was built in 1989, so its a little older than 10 years. It wasn;t the greatest building designed, either.

    That said, the Magic organization had a hand in designing it, so they have no room to complain.

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    Also, this is probably also a poor example, but how old is Madison Square Gardens? And does anyone else miss that the way they used to drop the lights at MSA so all you could see was the game, and they turned the lights back on at the end of quarters and at the half, like MSG still does?
    MSG was torn down and rebuilt in 1968, and in 1991 they completely rennovated it with luxury suites.

    MSG is the exception to the rule though, because of its historical significance, and also because there's simply nowhere else in Manhattan to build a stadium. MSG also hosts more events than any other arena in the country (Palace is #2). They clearly don't need a new place to put the Knicks.

    The Nets have been trying to build a stadium in Brooklyn, and it's taking them a better part of a decade to aquire enough land.

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    I've always had this novel idea that sports teams should buy and build their own arenas on land that they have to purchase at market price without any special tax breaks. ...And that cities and states be legally barred from spending money on them unless they are abandoned (in which case the city could refurbish and sell the property or use tax funds to demolish it).

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    Trust me, owners don't ask for help building stadiums because they're cheap, they simply can't afford it.

    Bill Davidson built the Palace with his own money, and he makes a fortune since he controls every aspect of the arena.

    Most owners don't have that luxury though.

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    Trust me, owners don't ask for help building stadiums because they're cheap, they simply can't afford it.

    Bill Davidson built the Palace with his own money, and he makes a fortune since he controls every aspect of the arena.

    Most owners don't have that luxury though.
    If you could make a fortune by building it yourself instead of putting your hand out and holding the city hostage then other owners would (and could) do it. For most it's simply a better deal to let the city/state build it and then reap the rewards of their low risk venture. IMHO.

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    They can afford it.

    As Evan Byah, while he was governor, told my MBA class: if we don't offer the money to Toyota to buid a facility here, Kentucky will. If not Kentucky, then Tennessee or Illinois. It boils down to the exact same decision on stadiums.

    And what businessman is going to turn down that type of subsidy? None.

    As for MSA, it could not have been renovated, or it would've cost at least twice as much to renovate and the Pacers would've needed to play eslewhere for a couple of years. The concourses, which were too small, were six floors above ground. That's not an easy fix.

    As many have said, we knew that building was a big-time fire/ evacauation hazard when we built it. We should just be glad there was never a real emergency in there.

    But for that matter, I'm not convinced the Hoosier Dome was obsolete and couldn't be remodeled. The more compelling point was that the convention center wanted that space.
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