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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

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Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    There are no revolving doors leading into Conseco Fieldhouse, a logical architectural characteristic for a retro building.

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    *beeps*

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    Re: Not done yet

    I really expect Greene to mke the team

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    • #3
      Re: Not done yet

      Originally posted by RoboHicks View Post
      There are no revolving doors leading into Conseco Fieldhouse, a logical architectural characteristic for a retro building.

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      I think the Star is wrong, I think it will be Powell and Greene, not Marshall.

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      • #4
        Re: Not done yet

        At this point I think Josh Powell , Snap Hunter and John Edwards will be the 3 that fail to make the roster.But there is a good chance at least 1 and maybe 2 vets could come in and as many has 5 of the new players currently on the roster will be gone Marshall and Greene being the other 2.

        At this point Donnie and Larry are not done so don't get to use to the newbies.

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        • #5
          Re: Not done yet

          Originally posted by DW
          "You might disagree with what we've done, but you can't say we haven't followed through," Walsh said, allowing himself a laugh over all the atypical activity.
          True.

          I don't care if Green, Hunter, Powell, Marshall, Edwards and Armstrong take up spots on the roster. But if they see the court, we've got big problems. I'd send Williams to the NBDL, he might be okay in a couple years but not if he wastes away on the end of the bench. We only have eight guys that can play:

          Tinsley (okay - check that, we have 7.5 guys that can play), Daniels, Granger, Harrington, JO, Foster, Harrison, and White. Fine, we've got SJax too. Make it 8.5 if you must include him (but he's dead to me.) Saras and Baston should only see the court in case of emergency.

          We need to shape up the backcourt. Tinsley, Daniels and White just aren't enough to get it done without more help.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #6
            Re: Not done yet

            Why do you think Shawne will be riding the bench this year? I think he'll get some minutes backing up the SF/PF spots if he can show some production.

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            • #7
              Re: Not done yet

              You know I forgot about the NBDL. How many players can we send down to the NBDL?

              Maybe we plan on keeping all the players, just send ing a few down?

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              • #8
                Re: Not done yet

                It is a given that the Pacers must reduce the roster by at least three.

                One way to do that is by cutting or sending down the three weakest or most superfluous players. Another way is to pursue a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade that would probably involve some of the better players (Foster, Jackson, Harrison, Jasikevisius, etc.), and possible mean keeping the likes of Hunter and/or Edwards on the roster.

                Is there anyone who would argue that we hold with what we've got now and just cut the three weakest?
                And I won't be here to see the day
                It all dries up and blows away
                I'd hang around just to see
                But they never had much use for me
                In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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                • #9
                  Re: Not done yet

                  Rick's gonna let him play? I strongly doubt it.

                  And I seriously doubt if he's physically durable enough (yet) to handle more than 20-30 NBA games. All his scouting reports said basically, "raw talent, not NBA-ready yet". And he's been banged up all summer from one summer league game. From what I gather, "not NBA-ready yet" means he's just not physically strong enough for what he's about to get into.

                  We've all said for years that perhaps Bender could've turned out differently if there were a minor league for him to play in. Or, if nothing else, we could've determined his "wimpiness" or extent of his injury before giving him the big fat contract.

                  Now is the time for the Pacers to prove they've learned from that mistake. No need to rush the kid because we've got plenty of frontcourt talent for years to come anyway. Let him make some progress in the D-league and then when its time to pick between re-signing Al or giving him a big contract you'll know what you've got.
                  Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                  Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                  Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                  Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                  And life itself, rushing over me
                  Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                  Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                  • #10
                    Re: Not done yet

                    If your going to give your second round pick legitamite minutes backing up the guard spots you have to see how your first round pick does in limited minutes backing up the front spots.With the way the Pacers are going you have to think that Shawne fits into an uptempo style of play we're going for

                    And from what I've read his injury was fine and he has resumed normal workouts, I dont really consider him to be a liability in getting injured frequently yet.

                    Give him his chance...then let him devolop elsewhere if needed, but I think he's going to do the most learning sticking with the Pacers and practicing against upper tier players.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Not done yet

                      You cannot have more than 15 guys on your roster with NBA contracts and send the extras to the NBDL.

                      Your NBDL players count toward your 15 roster players, if they have an NBA contract as opposed to an NBDL contract. And if they have an NBDL contract, ANY NBA team can call them up.

                      Unless they changed the rules on this...

                      They should, so that it is more of a farm system arrangement.
                      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                      • #12
                        Re: Not done yet

                        Yes Shawne should play in the D League. I don't think he is ready for minuates in the NBA. He is still very young. He needs to get stronger, get better skill wise, and just get more game experience. Get some confidence in his game too. And we have too many players on the roster as it is now, Shawne is the perfect player for the D League. But would he have to take a paycut to do so? And would he want to play in the D League anyways?

                        We defiantly need to get better in the backcourt. I'm not comfortable with Tinsley and Saras as our point guards nor do I like Stephen Jackson on the roster nor do I think he is a good fit for this team. I have my doubts though that anything happens, I think Bird and Donnie may be looking but I have my doubts that anything gets done before the season starts.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Not done yet

                          Originally posted by ApNeDtRiEeW View Post
                          If your going to give your second round pick legitamite minutes backing up the guard spots you have to see how your first round pick does in limited minutes backing up the front spots.With the way the Pacers are going you have to think that Shawne fits into an uptempo style of play we're going for

                          And from what I've read his injury was fine and he has resumed normal workouts, I dont really consider him to be a liability in getting injured frequently yet.

                          Give him his chance...then let him devolop elsewhere if needed, but I think he's going to do the most learning sticking with the Pacers and practicing against upper tier players.
                          With 82 games and all the travel, there are only about twenty real practices in a season once training camp ends. That's no way for a young player to develop.

                          To your first point, White is believed to be more "NBA-ready", but I still don't expect Rick to play him much because we've got plenty of veteran bodies to throw at the SG position (Daniels, SJax, Saras, Granger) before we have to throw a rookie in there.

                          He couldn't bench 190 pounds at all. He's going to have so many bruises from his first real practice ... He's still growing, I've got patience. But I don't expect anything in years #1 or #2 from him.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #14
                            Re: Not done yet

                            Tom,

                            I've got no problem with him taking one of our fifteen spots while playing down there. In the event of injury, he *can* be called up. And that's all your tenth-fourteenth men are good for, anyway. And he's not going to be part of our regular rotation if everyone is healthy. We have plenty of frontcourt depth that *should* play in front of him.
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #15
                              Re: Not done yet

                              He has to be sent to the Dleague at least till the all star break .. after that i think he can come into the team and play 10 mins a game for a few games ... ild like to see him get some time this year but i agree he need Dleague experience first and not jusdt to warm a seat on our bench!
                              'All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.'
                              Animal Farm, by George Orwell

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