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Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

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  • #16
    Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

    Originally posted by Gamble View Post
    Becuase he surrounds himself with people like UB.
    I still love Jeff Foster

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    • #17
      Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      Can't believe someone hasn't said the most obvious answer.

      Answer: Because he took down his outside goal at home. DUH! He has no where to actually practice.

      Nice photoshop job though Seth.
      Damnit! I was just coming in to say this.

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      • #18
        Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

        Originally posted by Fool View Post
        Damnit! I was just coming in to say this.
        I didn't even open this thread for the longest time, because I figured it wouldn't have anything but jokes in it.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #19
          Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

          Originally posted by Frank Slade View Post
          He's one of those guys that can make a starting lineup work because he doesn't demand the ball. If he wants it, he'll go get it. That leaves more shots for the scorers, and that generally is good for chemistry. It's nearly impossible to construct a successful lineup that features five scorers. In fact, I can't remember any. Most great teams have three; Detroit won it all with four and that was a rarity.
          Uh..... wrong.

          Its not that he "doesn't demand the ball." Its that he is inept, doesn't need to be guarded, and allows opponents to double-team JO without recourse. He "isn't allowed to have the ball." There's a big difference between the two.

          If he were a competent offensive player and then voluntarily deferred an didn't demand the ball - that would be great. (Derrick McKey, Jr.) But that's not what's going on here. He can barely catch the damn ball cleanly without a turnover, let alone hit an open shot well enough to keep his man honest.

          Miami put a team on the court with five "good" offensive players that understood their roles. Yes, Wade got the most shots because he was the #1 option. But JayWill, Shaq, Walker and even Posey are at least "competent/ capable" on the offensive end of the court.

          Is there a single thing (other than rebounding) that Jeff is "competent/ capable" of on the offensive end of the court? He doesn't set great screens. He doesn't handle the ball well (especially considering he was a guard). I don't care if he ever turns into an offensive juggernaut. But make the opponents pay for double-team.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #20
            Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

            Originally posted by Jay@Section204 View Post
            Is there a single thing (other than rebounding) that Jeff is "competent/ capable" of on the offensive end of the court? He doesn't set great screens.
            He certainly used to be terrible at screens, but I think he's pretty good these days.

            That doesn't negate the rest of your point, though.
            This space for rent.

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            • #21
              Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              Can't believe someone hasn't said the most obvious answer.

              Answer: Because he took down his outside goal at home. DUH! He has no where to actually practice.

              Nice photoshop job though Seth.
              I've got a couple more and can put them up at 3kx2k if you'd like to check em. I forgot to get Jeff to hold a copy of today's paper in them.

              Besides, I use PSPro.
              If I had skills enough to fake as good as that one I'd be getting paid enough for lower level seasons..and I would have put Harrington in there instead.

              Magic Rat is the touch-up pro.



              Jay - Foster is also the team's quickest dunker. Seriously. Put the ball in his hands near the rim, even on a full run, and its getting thrown down. I know it doesn't make him an offensive threat, but it is a nice skill. Also Jeff does move pretty well without the ball and at times gets open for nice interior passes (like from Pollard for example).

              Screens, jump shots, ball handling of any sort - agreed, big problem areas. But then it's not like Dale was much better, other than screens. 40 pump fakes and a serviceable turnaround jumper didn't make him an offensive threat either.

              I do with Jeff could set screens like Dale.

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              • #22
                Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                Okay, I wasn't totally honest earlier. I did bump into Al as he was leaving his physical and was trying to hail a cab off of Pennsylvania. Didn't want to share till we knew for sure he was coming here.




                Hopefully that clears things up regarding my PSP skills vs that Foster pix.

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                • #23
                  Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                  Nappie, would love to see the other pics, this way I can get an image of the practise court without a certain pimped player on it
                  So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                  If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                  Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                    I'll send them up to photobucket at full, but won't post the pix here and kill b'width.

                    edit - hold on. P'bucket resizes them. I'll have to do a Yahoo upload later. Gotta go cook dinner.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                      Screens, jump shots, ball handling of any sort - agreed, big problem areas. But then it's not like Dale was much better, other than screens. 40 pump fakes and a serviceable turnaround jumper didn't make him an offensive threat either.
                      Don't ever confuse me with being a Dale Davis fan...

                      /runs away before Peck clobbers me./
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                        I'll send them up to photobucket at full, but won't post the pix here and kill b'width.

                        edit - hold on. P'bucket resizes them. I'll have to do a Yahoo upload later. Gotta go cook dinner.
                        nay matter, you have my blessing upload away
                        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                        If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                          I like Foster too. I can only come up with a few possible conclusions. First, if he hits mid-range jumpers in pre-game warm-ups, but cannot connect during a real game, then either he will never get used to hitting shots under pressure or he could use the services of a sports psychologist. Or...he needs to practice more. The idea of a near-7 footer not being able to hit more than 50% of his free throws or freezing like a deer in headlights (like last year), when folks left him open almost daring him to shoot makes me scratch my head and disappoints me. I'm 43 and under 6 feet tall, and just made 50% of my mid-range jumpers in the competitive division of the 3-on-3 tournament at the State Fair yesterday. I recall this because I only took 4 shots. I don't shoot much any more (I dish to my much younger teammates), but when I do shoot, I'm confident, because I do go out and shoot around by myself when I can. It's natural for anyone to shoot better during practice when the pressure is not on, and no, I'm not implying that the level of competition was anywhere near that of the NBA, but what I am implying is that with practice or the right help (be it physical or psychological), a 7-footer should be able to at least be a scoring "threat." Opposing teams are never going to put their best defender on Foster. He should learn to take shots when he's open. That's my wish for Jeff this season.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                            Just reading this thread, one would think Jeff must have a horrible shooting %. So I looked up the stats

                            starting with this past season and going backwards.

                            ------- -FG% - FT%
                            2006 - 55% - 60%
                            2005 - 52% - 63%
                            2004 - 54% - 70%
                            2003 - 36% - 54%
                            2002 - 45% - 61%
                            2001 - 47% - 52%


                            2003 he didn't play that much. Brad was still here and Isiah was the coach. He played quite a bit more in 2002. What does all this mean, I don't really know, but I thought it needed to be added to the discussion. If I had never watched a Pacers game and only read this thread, I would have expected FT % in the 45-50% range and FG % certainly below 50%.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              Just reading this thread, one would think Jeff must have a horrible shooting %. So I looked up the stats

                              starting with this past season and going backwards.

                              ------- -FG% - FT%
                              2006 - 55% - 60%
                              2005 - 52% - 63%
                              2004 - 54% - 70%
                              2003 - 36% - 54%
                              2002 - 45% - 61%
                              2001 - 47% - 52%


                              2003 he didn't play that much. Brad was still here and Isiah was the coach. He played quite a bit more in 2002. What does all this mean, I don't really know, but I thought it needed to be added to the discussion. If I had never watched a Pacers game and only read this thread, I would have expected FT % in the 45-50% range and FG % certainly below 50%.


                              I would not be surprised if 90% of his shots were layups and dunks. Would anyone argue that it's at least 70% of his shots? Rarely does he take anything that isn't at the basket, be it a garbage putback, backdoor, whatever. Everything is at the hoop. And most of them would be mostly unchallenged since if he wasn't open at the hoop he wouldn't have the ball. Few and far between are his shots from farther out.

                              Therefore, I'd argue that his percentages aren't all that good for a guy only taking supposedly the highest of percentage type shots.

                              Maybe I'm wrong...

                              -Bball
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                              ------

                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                              • #30
                                Re: Why Hasn’t Foster Developed Offensive Game? Q.O.D 8-14-06

                                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                And most of them would be mostly unchallenged
                                I'd disagree with this. Foster rarely gets unchallenged shots.
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