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  • #16
    Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

    Originally posted by able View Post
    stop complaining, come live here and you can pay $ 7.75 a gallon
    Are you serious?
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    • #17
      Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

      yep that is the regular price here at the cheapest pumps in London and there are places where the price is higher the $ 8.50

      so filling up the jag is usually a $ 150 job and add to that $ 10 for a pack of cigarettes and going to the pump is offically more expensive then going to a Pacers game, oh and I forgot, a pint of water is $ 1.75
      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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      • #18
        Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

        It varies alot out here in NY...but currently it is at least $3.30/gallon. NY, CT, and MA are brutal. For some reason, NJ isn't quite as bad, and in NJ it is state law that an attendant from the gas station fill your tank for you (no self-service pumps, which is nice in the frigid winter or sweltering summer). The fuel is just the tip of the ice berg though. People generally still use heating oil out here to heat their homes, and that is through the roof.

        Property taxes are even more fun. It has been between $600-800 a month where I live (near Poughkeepsie, NY), and when you go closer to the city into Westchester county, you are talking $1,000 a month in property taxes.

        Next factor in that even this far out of NYC...the average price of a home is $400,000. As you go closer to the city, that number will climb steeply, and quickly. That $400,000 out here will probably buy you a 1970's era split level home complete with avocado green tile in the bathrooms...seriously.

        The good news is that people who have purchased homes in the past 5 years or more have seen an unbelievable appreciation on their homes, and yes, there are alot of high paying jobs in NYC, but it is tough to adequately describe how dramatically you get squeezed by the cost of living out here.

        I am sure the folks in DC and California can relate. Able, I have been to London, but I don't know enough to comment on the overall cost of living, but I realiz that Europeans have always spent much more on petro then we have.

        Coincidentally, I am going to be moving from NY to Nashville, TN in the near future, and I can't wait. No more state tax! Yeah! Now I will be able to upgrade from Ramen noodles, Parmalat, and Spam to hamburger. I know that they get you on sales tax down there, but sales tax, like all other taxes, is pretty darn high out here too.

        I mean no disrespect to New York or the rest of the East Coast, it really is an awesome place to live. I have a particular affinity for Boston since I lived there for 5 years, and there really is no place comparable to NYC. There is a ton of history, art, dining establshments, and much more that you really should see if you get the chance. You just need to be pulling down some serious cash to live comfortably out here.

        I was shocked when I saw that there are new homes being built in Avon still, for as low as $140,000 - $150,000. Mobile homes can go in that price range out here.
        When you're playing against a stacked deck, compete even harder. Show the world how much you'll fight for the winners circle. If you do, someday the cellophane will crackle off a fresh pack, one that belongs to you, and the cards will be stacked in your favor.
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        • #19
          Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

          Originally posted by able View Post
          stop complaining, come live here and you can pay $ 7.75 a gallon
          While I feel for your steep gasoline prices, I would like to remind you (inform you?) that this is becoming a financial risk to the budget of the average American. Thusly it has the potential to wreak havok on the US economy.

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          • #20
            Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

            brich; housing in London is among the most expensive in the world, somewhere top 5, examples: rent for a 2 bed 1 bath 10 miles outside of london (3rd floor no elevator) is about $ 2,000 a month, in the city the same will be $ 2,500 a week
            Flats in the city will be around $ 1,500,000 and up, (studio) 2 bed 2 bath a vlient of mine just sold 2 for a combi price of $ 4,900,000
            forget house, starting price for a house in the city would be around $ 4 mio, in my beighbourhood the apartment I live in and pay $ 2k rent for; 1st floor just sold for $ 440,000 houses here start in the $ 800,000 region for a 2 bed disaster and go up to $ 15 mio for a 5 bed/5 bath

            county tax, cheap, just $ 400 a month*cough* *cough*

            and redwillow, I know, but it is something that the rest of world has already experienced over the past 20 years, so you had more then enough time to prepare.
            So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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            • #21
              Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

              We've got it cheap then -- $3.09

              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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              • #22
                Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                Originally posted by able View Post
                brich; housing in London is among the most expensive in the world, somewhere top 5, examples: rent for a 2 bed 1 bath 10 miles outside of london (3rd floor no elevator) is about $ 2,000 a month, in the city the same will be $ 2,500 a week
                Flats in the city will be around $ 1,500,000 and up, (studio) 2 bed 2 bath a vlient of mine just sold 2 for a combi price of $ 4,900,000
                forget house, starting price for a house in the city would be around $ 4 mio, in my beighbourhood the apartment I live in and pay $ 2k rent for; 1st floor just sold for $ 440,000 houses here start in the $ 800,000 region for a 2 bed disaster and go up to $ 15 mio for a 5 bed/5 bath

                county tax, cheap, just $ 400 a month*cough* *cough*

                and redwillow, I know, but it is something that the rest of world has already experienced over the past 20 years, so you had more then enough time to prepare.

                Yeah, it sounds like London is pretty comparable to New York City, although I live about 75 (or more...sort of depends on where you are going) miles away from NYC. It is amazing. People actually will commute from this far out to NYC, so that they can have a house and large sized yard.

                Manhatten is mainly apartments, and of course, they are extraordinarily expensive.

                People will always pay the money though, I suppose. Cities like London and New York are almost impossible to replicate elsewhere.

                Hopefully I will be in a better position to travel again once I head to Nashville. I would love to see London again. I was only able to spend a few days there, but there is obviously alot to see. If I make it back out there, then I will try to ring you up.

                Also, hopefully I can also join the crew at one of these Pacer Digest gatherings in Indy. It will only be a weekends drive now.
                When you're playing against a stacked deck, compete even harder. Show the world how much you'll fight for the winners circle. If you do, someday the cellophane will crackle off a fresh pack, one that belongs to you, and the cards will be stacked in your favor.
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                • #23
                  Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                  http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...il-field_x.htm


                  Corrosion of Alaskan oil line hurts U.S. supply
                  Updated 8/7/2006 5:23 AM ET
                  ANCHORAGE (AP) — Oil giant BP has indefinitely shut down the nation's biggest oilfield after finding a pipeline leak, removing about 8% of U.S. oil production and stroking fears that already high gas prices will shoot up further.
                  Steve Marshall, president of BP Exploration Alaska, Inc. said Sunday night that the eastern side of Prudhoe Bay would be shut down first, an operation anticipated to take 24 to 36 hours. The company will then move to shut down the west side, a move that could close more than 1,000 Prudhoe Bay wells.

                  Once the field is shut down, BP said oil production will be reduced by 400,000 barrels a day. That's close to 8% of U.S. oil production or about 2.6% of U.S. supply including imports, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

                  The shutdown comes at an already worrisome time for the oil industry, with supply concerns stemming both from the hurricane season and instability in the Middle East.

                  A 400,000-barrel per day reduction in output would have a major impact on oil prices, said Tetsu Emori, chief commodities strategist at Mitsui Bussan Futures in Tokyo. A barrel contains 42 gallons of crude oil.

                  "Oil prices could increase by as much as $10 per barrel given the current environment," Emori said. "But we can't really say for sure how big an effect this is going to have until we have more exact figures about how much production is going to be reduced."

                  But Victor Shum, an energy analyst with Purvin & Gertz in Singapore, said he expected the impact to be minimal since crude inventories are high.

                  "So while this won't have any immediate impact on U.S. supplies, the market is in very high anxiety. So any significant disruption, traders will take that into account, even though there is no threat of a supply shortage."

                  Light, sweet crude for September delivery was up $1.23 to $75.99 a barrel in mid-afternoon Asian electronic trading Monday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

                  Marshall said tests Friday indicated that there were 16 anomalies in 12 areas in an oil transit line on the eastern side of Prudhoe Bay. Tests found losses in wall thickness of between 70 and 81%. Repair or replacement is required if there is over an 80% loss.

                  "The results were absolutely unexpected," Marshall said.

                  BP officials said they didn't know how long the Prudhoe Bay field would be off line. "I don't even know how long it's going to take to shut it down," said Tom Williams, BP's senior tax and royalty counsel.

                  BP America Chairman and President Bob Malone said Prudhoe Bay will not resume operating until the company and government regulators are satisfied it can run safely without threatening the environment.

                  "We regret that it is necessary to take this action and we apologize to the nation and the State of Alaska for the adverse impacts it will cause," Malone said in a statement.

                  The shutdown comes six months after the North Slope's biggest ever oil spill was discovered on a Prudhoe Bay transit line. Some 267,000 gallons of oil spilled.

                  While BP suspects corrosion in both damaged lines, they can't say for sure until further tests are complete. Workers also found a small spill, estimated to be about 4 to 5 barrels, which has been contained and clean up efforts are underway, BP said.

                  BP, a unit of the London-based company BP PLC, puts millions of gallons of corrosion inhibitor into the Prudhoe Bay lines each year. It also examines pipes by taking X-rays and ultrasound images.

                  A prolonged Prudhoe Bay shutdown would be a major blow to domestic oil production, but even a short one could be crippling to Alaska's economy.

                  Alaska House Speaker John Harris said it was admirable that BP took immediate action, although it's sure to hurt state coffers. "This state cannot afford to have another Exxon Valdez," said Harris, R-Valdez.

                  The Exxon Valdez tanker emptied 11 million gallons of crude oil into Prince William Sound in 1989, killing hundreds of thousands of birds and marine animals and soiling more than 1,200 miles of rocky beach in nation's largest oil spill.

                  Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published

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                  • #24
                    Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                    [QUOTE=Unclebuck;451514]


                    Corrosion of Alaskan oil line hurts U.S. supply


                    I was just about to post this UB. As someone already said it's going to get worse.

                    The thing is we can always stay home and not go anywhere but work and save gas money, but there's nothing much we can do about cold winters and hot summers.

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                    • #25
                      Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                      Originally posted by able View Post
                      brich; housing in London is among the most expensive in the world, somewhere top 5, examples: rent for a 2 bed 1 bath 10 miles outside of london (3rd floor no elevator) is about $ 2,000 a month, in the city the same will be $ 2,500 a week
                      Flats in the city will be around $ 1,500,000 and up, (studio) 2 bed 2 bath a vlient of mine just sold 2 for a combi price of $ 4,900,000
                      forget house, starting price for a house in the city would be around $ 4 mio, in my beighbourhood the apartment I live in and pay $ 2k rent for; 1st floor just sold for $ 440,000 houses here start in the $ 800,000 region for a 2 bed disaster and go up to $ 15 mio for a 5 bed/5 bath

                      county tax, cheap, just $ 400 a month*cough* *cough*

                      and redwillow, I know, but it is something that the rest of world has already experienced over the past 20 years, so you had more then enough time to prepare.
                      How is the public transportation in London?

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                      • #26
                        Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                        Gas is insane and i'm curious how it is 7 dollars a gallon in Europe? So how long til we officially go to alternative means of transporation. Battery powered cars anyone?

                        Too bad our president is much more reactive than proactive.

                        I'm moving to Nashville here in October to go to Tech school for audio engineering. I wonder if they will just let me sleep at the school.
                        *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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                        • #27
                          Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                          Originally posted by brich View Post
                          It varies alot out here in NY...but currently it is at least $3.30/gallon. NY, CT, and MA are brutal. For some reason, NJ isn't quite as bad, and in NJ it is state law that an attendant from the gas station fill your tank for you (no self-service pumps, which is nice in the frigid winter or sweltering summer). The fuel is just the tip of the ice berg though. People generally still use heating oil out here to heat their homes, and that is through the roof.

                          Property taxes are even more fun. It has been between $600-800 a month where I live (near Poughkeepsie, NY), and when you go closer to the city into Westchester county, you are talking $1,000 a month in property taxes.

                          Next factor in that even this far out of NYC...the average price of a home is $400,000. As you go closer to the city, that number will climb steeply, and quickly. That $400,000 out here will probably buy you a 1970's era split level home complete with avocado green tile in the bathrooms...seriously.

                          The good news is that people who have purchased homes in the past 5 years or more have seen an unbelievable appreciation on their homes, and yes, there are alot of high paying jobs in NYC, but it is tough to adequately describe how dramatically you get squeezed by the cost of living out here.

                          I am sure the folks in DC and California can relate. Able, I have been to London, but I don't know enough to comment on the overall cost of living, but I realiz that Europeans have always spent much more on petro then we have.

                          Coincidentally, I am going to be moving from NY to Nashville, TN in the near future, and I can't wait. No more state tax! Yeah! Now I will be able to upgrade from Ramen noodles, Parmalat, and Spam to hamburger. I know that they get you on sales tax down there, but sales tax, like all other taxes, is pretty darn high out here too.

                          I mean no disrespect to New York or the rest of the East Coast, it really is an awesome place to live. I have a particular affinity for Boston since I lived there for 5 years, and there really is no place comparable to NYC. There is a ton of history, art, dining establshments, and much more that you really should see if you get the chance. You just need to be pulling down some serious cash to live comfortably out here.

                          I was shocked when I saw that there are new homes being built in Avon still, for as low as $140,000 - $150,000. Mobile homes can go in that price range out here.
                          Originally posted by une View Post
                          How is the public transportation in London?
                          in itself PT (city) is brilliant, but then again, cheap is something else, a day travel card costs about $ 15 nice for a tourist but unusable for locals, as it is outside rush hour only, so frm here to the city and back at that time is $ 25 a day
                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

                          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
                          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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                          • #28
                            Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                            I don't see what the big deal is for (American) gas prices. I mean, yes the oil companies are gouging, and yes I'd like to move to a non-carbon economy as soon as possible. But is a 10% increase in gas prices really destroying most middle-class Americans? People are up in arms about it, but you'd save that much money by not going to the movies or eating out one less time per week.
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                            • #29
                              Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                              I don't see what the big deal is for (American) gas prices. I mean, yes the oil companies are gouging, and yes I'd like to move to a non-carbon economy as soon as possible. But is a 10% increase in gas prices really destroying most middle-class Americans? People are up in arms about it, but you'd save that much money by not going to the movies or eating out one less time per week.
                              10% increase? Just a little over a year ago, it was unprecedented to see gas at $2.00 a gallon. Now we're at $3.00+ and climbing.

                              You want to know what pisses me off about this whole thing?

                              Firstly is the obvious fact that the companies are gouging, and nobody is stepping in to regulate it.

                              Secondly, nothing happens that causes gas prices to jump $0.20-0.30 a gallon in an instant, but it happens constantly.

                              And we have a reserve just for cases like this, but we aren't using it. We also have plenty of factories we could fire back up, but we aren't doing that either. Nothing like wasting all our refineries.

                              Those of us who already have to scrape by because prices keep inflating at a completely unreasonable rate are tired of taking it in the ***. And yet, minimum wage remains $5.15.

                              Of course, it doesn't surprise me, since our president has a personal stake in the industry.

                              This country is ****ed up.

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                                Re: $3.17 a gallon?!

                                Originally posted by able View Post
                                add to that $ 10 for a pack of cigarettes
                                Huh?? I haven't been to London since I've been a smoker, but in Spain, France and Netherlands packs were like $2.50, very cheap.

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