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Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.

A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.

Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.

Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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    NaturallyStoned: Anthem was always getting these funny feelings about a post or an avatar or a movie reference, so he'd tell us to click Back, ignore this thread.
    Anthem: Click Back, Ignore this thread!
    NaturallyStoned: So we did.
    Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
    I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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      Gyron : What's he into?
      Naturally Stoned : High-end tech and low-end counting.
      Gyron : You sure he's a woman? If it's a guy, he could be my soulmate.
      Last edited by DrBadd01; 06-30-2008, 03:20 PM.
      PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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        Gyron: Excuse me, little old lady. Do you have change for a dollar?

        naturallystoned: Change? No I'm sorry, I don't.

        Gyron: Well, can you do me a favor and ignore my stuff here while I go count a few numbers?

        naturallystoned: Of course.

        Gyron: Thanks. Hey, I guess they're right. Ignorers, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose. I'll be right back. Don't you go dying on me.
        Read my Pacers blog:
        8points9seconds.com

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          Gyron: The counters in this forum used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. Look at you! What do you believe in? What do you believe in!
          Naturally Stoned: I believe whatever doesn't ignore you simply makes you... a counter.
          PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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            It a choice, JayRedd, that each of us must face: to remain ordinary, pathetic, beat-down, surfing through with a miserable screen name, like counters counting by numerical order, or you can take control of your own destiny and join us, releasing the ignored unignorer you have inside. Our purpose is to maintain stability in an unstable board - submit one, read a thousand. Within the fabric of this board, every post hangs by a thread. We are that thread - a fraternity of posters with the keyboards of fate. This is the decision that lies before you know: the counters, or the unignorers. The choice is yours.
            Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
            I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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            • Re: Ignore this thread

              That select group of thread-ignorers have pulled their heads out of the tar sands long enough to declare victory and claim the news as proof that manmade counting is a hoax, and that humanity can now look forward to a future of worry-free counting. Excellent stuff, and reassuring. Unfortunately also not true.
              PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                I shall not ignore that which ignores me. I will never ignore this thread.

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                  A well-known public advocacy group has faulted the Counters major political parties for disregarding key Internet threads in their sports forums.
                  Matters of concern involving the Internet and counting privacy, free speech, and counting rights have been largely ignored by all four main campaigns in the upcoming PD awards, charged the Counting Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic
                  PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                    VERSE 1: (sung by naturallystoned)
                    Jay Redd I can't understand it, why you want to hurt me?
                    After all of the things I've submitted for you...
                    I rip off movies, songs and put Affinity for Infinity for your title. (Affinity for Infinity for your title)
                    But still you count up all night, what am I to do?

                    CHORUS: (sung by Dr. Badd and naturallystoned)
                    My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time,
                    ignore all the time, ignore all the time
                    My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time,
                    ignore all the time, He ignores all the time
                    Whoooohooohoohoo (ignores all the time)
                    He likes to ignore all the time (ignores all the time)
                    Whoooohooohoohoo (ignores all the time)
                    He likes to ignore all the time (ignores all the time)

                    Verse 2: (sung by naturallystoned)
                    Jay Redd I seen you at threads, just hangin out and posting
                    You give your posts to every screenname you see
                    You never unignore at night because you're out counting
                    I wish you'd bring some of your pop references home to me

                    CHORUS: (sung by Dr. Badd and naturallystoned)
                    But My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time,
                    ignore all the time, ignore all the time
                    My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time,
                    ignore all the time
                    My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time,
                    ignore all the time, ignore all the time
                    My Jay Redd wants to ignore all the time
                    ignore all the time (hold) yeah

                    ignore ignore ignore ignore ignore

                    whoooooo
                    whoooohoohooo

                    He likes to ignore all the time.
                    He lets his mustache down.
                    He likes to ignore down.

                    Spoiler Spoiler:
                    Last edited by Natston; 07-10-2008, 05:13 AM.
                    Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                    I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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                      [Spit by DrBadd]

                      My, my, my keyboard hits me, so hard
                      It makes me say, "Oh my lord"
                      Thank you, for blessing me with time to find yo mom's two *** cheeks

                      It feels good, and I know she's down
                      A super dope ignorer from the Naptown
                      And I'm known, encore
                      This is a thread you can't ignore

                      I told you Gyron (You can't ignore this)
                      That's how I'm living and you know (You can't ignore this)
                      Look at his mom's thighs, man (You can't ignore this)
                      Let me bust some funky lines

                      Fresh new post, now soar
                      You gotta like that, now, you know you wanna ignore
                      So move, outta your seat
                      Bang Natstoned's mom and skeet skeet skeet

                      While it's rolling, hold on
                      Pump a little bit and let her know what's going on
                      Like that...like that

                      Cold on a mission so fall them back
                      Let natstoned know, that she's a whore
                      And this is a thread, uh, you can't ignore.

                      Yo, I told you (you can't ignore this)
                      Why you standing there man (You can't ignore this)
                      Yo, sound the bell, school is in, sucka (You can't ignore this)

                      [yt]DcNUx0-XEfw[/yt]
                      Last edited by JayRedd; 07-09-2008, 09:12 PM.
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                        Jay Redd grabs the microphone

                        You ignore with us everything you've got
                        You keep on counting' and the thread gets hot
                        You ignore this thread, we'll count you crazy
                        You say you wanna count for a thread
                        The thread's just begun, we'll let you in
                        You ignore this thread, we'll count you crazy
                        You keep on counting', you keep on counting'

                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day


                        You keep on saying you'll ignore for a while
                        You're count fancy and I like your style
                        You ignore this thread, we'll count you crazy
                        You ignore us with everything you've got
                        Baby, baby that's quite a lot
                        And you ignore this thread, we'll count you crazy
                        You keep on countin', you keep on countin'


                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread all nite and count every day
                        I wanna ignore this thread

                        [yt]DWLpbcgc814[/yt]
                        PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                          [Performed by Gyron, DrBadd01, naturallystoned, bellisimo, Newman8r, Robobtowncolt, btowncolt, Indy, Raskolnikov, swercareyabs, kester99, duke dynamite, heywoode, Pig Nash, Frank Slade, Twes, SycamoreKen, Bball, 317Kim, SoupIsGood, Pitons, Lord Helmet, pacertom, Cobol Sam, McClintic Sphere, The Toxic Avenger, Naptown_Seth, Los Angeles, tadscout, Just, Kegboy, Eindar, DisplacedKnick, Robertmto, Graham Mernatsi, tdubb03, Isaac, iPACER, Hicks, Fool, Since86, and The Hustler]


                          There comes a thread
                          When we head a certain call
                          When the board must come together as one
                          There are members ignoring
                          And it's time to lend this thread for reading
                          The greatest gift of all

                          We can't keep parodying movies
                          Pretending post by post
                          That someone, somewhere will soon click on the link
                          We are all a part of
                          Anthem's great big family
                          And the truth, you know this thread is all we need

                          [Chorus]
                          We are 'Ignore this thread'
                          We are its step-children
                          We are the ones who hate on Jay
                          So let's start unignoring
                          There's posts we're submitting
                          We're saving our own accounts
                          It's true we'll make a better board
                          Just you and me

                          Send them an unbroken link
                          So they'll know that someone still posts here
                          And their lives will be counting free
                          As Anthem has shown us by turning there into their
                          So we all must lend a face fixing

                          [Chorus]
                          We are 'Ignore this thread'
                          We are its step-children
                          We are the ones who hate on Jay
                          So let's start unignoring
                          There's posts we're submitting
                          We're saving our own accounts
                          It's true we'll make a better board
                          Just you and me


                          When you're about to log out and
                          There seems there's no new posts at all
                          But if you just scroll down
                          There's no way we can get bumped down
                          Well, well, well, well, let us realize
                          That a QFT will only come
                          When we post together as one

                          [Chorus]

                          We are 'Ignore this thread'
                          We are its step-children
                          We are the ones who hate on Jay
                          So let's start unignoring
                          There's posts we're submitting
                          We're saving our own accounts
                          It's true we'll make a better board
                          Just you and me

                          Spoiler Spoiler:
                          Last edited by Natston; 07-10-2008, 03:00 PM.
                          Originally posted by Natston;n3510291
                          I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of the 3 T.J.s working for them, and that ain't bad...

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                            performed by Gyron. Jayredd, Naturally Stoned, and Bellisimo on treadmills

                            Here Mal Goes Again lyrics

                            It could be ten, but then again, I can't remember thread to thread since a the club rio.
                            count in this thread, the second side of ignoring this thead, and you ignore me with my post on the floor.
                            Just when you think you're in PD,
                            just when you think you've got a number,
                            just when you get on a roll,
                            here Mal goes, here Mal goes, here Mal goes again.
                            Oh, here Mal goes again.
                            I should have unignored,
                            should have unignored,
                            should have unignored again,
                            but here Mal goes again.
                            Oh, here Mal goes again.
                            It starts out easy, something simple, something county, something growing past the edge of the 21000th page.
                            Now through lines of the cheap counting posts your thread is moving up the club Rio.
                            Just when you think you're in PD,
                            just when you think you've got a number,
                            just when you get on a roll,
                            here Mal goes, here Mal goes, here Mal goes again.
                            Oh, here Mal goes again.
                            I should have unignored,should have unignored,
                            should have unignored again,
                            but here Mal goes again.
                            Oh, here Mal goes again.
                            I guess there's got to be a break in the counting, but Shade, when it counts how it enumerates.
                            Throw on your clothes, the second side of Surfer Rosa, and you ignore me, yeah, you ignore me.
                            Oh, here Mal goes, here Mal goes, here Mal goes again.
                            Oh here Mal goes again.
                            I should have unignored,should have unignored,
                            should have unignored again,
                            but here it goes again.
                            Oh, here it goes again.


                            [yt]pv5zWaTEVkI&hl[/yt]
                            Last edited by DrBadd01; 07-10-2008, 05:57 PM.
                            PACER FAN ON STRIKE!!!-The moment the Pacers fire Larry Bird I will cheer for them again.

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                              You need to change your rhymes to match Hicks. :P

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                                Performed by JayRedd

                                We're no strangers to PD
                                You know the rules, and so do I
                                Ignore This Thread is what I'm thinking of
                                You wouldn't get this from any other guy

                                I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
                                Gotta make you Ignore This Thread

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry
                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you

                                We've known each other since '06
                                Your heart's been aching
                                But you're too shy to say it
                                Inside we both know counting's been going on
                                But we know the thread and we're gonna ignore it

                                Aaaand...if you ask me how I'm feeling
                                Don't tell me you're to blind to see

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry
                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry
                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you

                                [background vocals by Gyron]

                                [Give you up. Give you up.]
                                [Give you up. Give you up.]

                                Never gonna give
                                Never gonna give [give you up]
                                Never gonna give
                                Never gonna give [give you up]

                                We've known each other since '06
                                Your heart's been aching
                                But you're too shy to say it
                                Inside we both know counting's been going on
                                But we know the thread and we're gonna ignore it

                                Aaaand...if you ask me how I'm feeling
                                Don't tell me you're to blind to see

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry
                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry
                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you

                                [begin fade out]

                                Never gonna give you up
                                Never gonna let you down
                                Never gonna let counting cause me to desert you
                                Never gonna make you cry

                                Never gonna say goodbye
                                Never gonna ignore this thread and hurt you
                                Last edited by JayRedd; 07-11-2008, 09:16 PM.
                                Read my Pacers blog:
                                8points9seconds.com

                                Follow my twitter:

                                @8pts9secs

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