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  • #46
    Re: Where do we rank now?

    Originally posted by Putnam
    ^^^^ what he said.


    The Pacers have become a younger team, a quicker team, and a cheaper team. But the problems last year were:

    1. injuries
    2. team chemistry


    Not enough has been done to deal with either of those problems. If the current line-up suits up in November under Carlisle's leadership, the Pacers will be no better than last year.

    (That doesn't mean Carlisle is solely to blame.)



    I agree with these guys. I see a lot of optimism on here. I look at it from the worst possible standpoint. We are not back to contention, yet.

    Another thing to consider is, do you think Rick didn't have his best coaching because of the past 2 years and the things he has had to deal with? What did we expect him to do win the NBA Finals??
    Offseason Priorities
    1. Trade Jax
    2. Get Al
    3. Develop Hulk
    4. Wishful thinking obviously.....Andre Miller

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    • #47
      Re: Where do we rank now?

      All of the reasons people predict us to do poorly with this roster are the same reasons Miami was expected to crash and burn too. And don't cop out and just wave your Wade and Shaq banners at me; it's more than that.

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      • #48
        Re: Where do we rank now?

        Originally posted by Hicks
        All of the reasons people predict us to do poorly with this roster are the same reasons Miami was expected to crash and burn too. And don't cop out and just wave your Wade and Shaq banners at me; it's more than that.
        Hicks, I don't think the analogy with Miami is correct. Our problem is different than Miami's.

        Miami assembled a new team out of tainted players. There was no accumulation of ill-will between the new players and Van Gundy or Riley. Antoine Walker had a bad reputation, but he started fresh with Miami.

        What we've got is a player who is suspected of faking injuries, a player who missed key practices and argued and disrespected his coach repeatedly, and a player who has stated publicly that he doesn't feel bad about having the NBA's highest rate of technical fouls per minutes. And these guys are coming back to the same locker room with the same coach as last year.

        The issue is not to apportion blame, but to acknowledge that the combination did not work. So far, we still have than same dysfunctional combination.

        I think it will change, and we'll all like the roster come November. But as the team stands now, we're still ugly.
        And I won't be here to see the day
        It all dries up and blows away
        I'd hang around just to see
        But they never had much use for me
        In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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        • #49
          Re: Where do we rank now?

          Originally posted by Hicks
          bulldog, you can keep on believing what you believe. I'm only saying "We'll see" because my prediction is more based on faith or "gut" than yours, so I can't sit here and justify it on paper much better than I already have. I see some things that you guys don't agree with, and the numbers and current events are in your favor. I can't "win" this, so I'm just leaving it as "we'll see".
          Fair enough...but you can win. You'll just have to wait until April of next year.

          Obviously, I hope you're right. But if I had to bet my life savings...

          Originally posted by Hicks
          All of the reasons people predict us to do poorly with this roster are the same reasons Miami was expected to crash and burn too. And don't cop out and just wave your Wade and Shaq banners at me; it's more than that.
          Disagree with that strongly. Their team was very diverse, with a dominant paint scorer (Shaq), a clear superstar (Wade), a perimeter defensive role player who could shoot (Posey), an inside/rebounding defensive role player (Haslem), etc. People thought they would suck because they brought in a few guys with bad chemistry/ballhog issues (Payton, Williams, Walker), and no one felt they would accept their roles. But they did, and so they won. Entirely different situation.
          2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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          • #50
            Re: Where do we rank now?

            NO DIVISION CHAMPS BULL **** THIS IS PURELY WINS

            1. Miami (as much as I hate it)
            2. Detroit
            3. Chicago
            4. Indiana
            5. Cleveland
            6. NJN
            7. Washington
            8. Miluakee
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            I thinkthat putting the PIstons so far down just because they lost Ben Wallace is retarded

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            • #51
              Re: Where do we rank now?

              Originally posted by Ron who?
              NO DIVISION CHAMPS BULL **** THIS IS PURELY WINS

              1. Miami (as much as I hate it)
              2. Detroit
              3. Chicago
              4. Indiana
              5. Cleveland
              6. NJN
              7. Washington
              8. Miluakee
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              I thinkthat putting the PIstons so far down just because they lost Ben Wallace is retarded
              The Pistons were the perfect example of "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts." Without Ben in the middle, it's not even close to the same team. The strategy will have to be revamped, because the defensive glue is no longer there. The other players' weaknesses will be more easily exploited.

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              • #52
                Re: Where do we rank now?

                Originally posted by Hicks
                All of the reasons people predict us to do poorly with this roster are the same reasons Miami was expected to crash and burn too. And don't cop out and just wave your Wade and Shaq banners at me; it's more than that.


                I agree with that completely. Except we don't have a Wade type player. Or a Shaq type player. Or a PG like JWill. Or role players like Posey and Walker. Or a coach like Riley. But aside from that you were dead on.
                Offseason Priorities
                1. Trade Jax
                2. Get Al
                3. Develop Hulk
                4. Wishful thinking obviously.....Andre Miller

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                • #53
                  Re: Where do we rank now?

                  I just wanna know why most people here are putting Washington on he 7th, 8th or even not at all. We didn't lose anyone signifigant, we kept JJ, added the emerging Blatche and signed a defensive minded big man in Songaila.

                  Here's mine - based solely on record.



                  :cavaliers (I HATE LeBron)
                  :thepiston
                  :thepacers


                  STARBURY

                  08 and Beyond

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                  • #54
                    Re: Where do we rank now?

                    Originally posted by Robertmto
                    I just wanna know why most people here are putting Washington on he 7th, 8th or even not at all. We didn't lose anyone signifigant, we kept JJ, added the emerging Blatche and signed a defensive minded big man in Songaila.

                    Here's mine - based solely on record.

                    :Heat:
                    :Bulls:
                    :Cavaliers: (I HATE LeBron)
                    :Pistons:
                    :Pacers:
                    :Wizards:
                    :Magic:
                    :Nets:
                    I put the Wiz at #5, IIRC.

                    My Wiz fan roommate says they'll finish #1 or #2 in the East next year.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Where do we rank now?

                      I think my point is being missed here. I'm not trying to say we're just like (or even similar to) Miami in terms of our team. I'm drawing the parallel at the chemistry/character issues of that team, and the questions of what direction we're going (in other words, it's not clear, and last year it wasn't clear with them).

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                      • #56
                        Re: Where do we rank now?

                        Originally posted by Shade
                        I put the Wiz at #5, IIRC.

                        My Wiz fan roommate says they'll finish #1 or #2 in the East next year.
                        yea a few ppl pu them in the "right" position.

                        And as far as the 1st or 2nd assumption - jeesh. I'm a fan and even I dont believe that.
                        STARBURY

                        08 and Beyond

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                        • #57
                          Re: Where do we rank now?

                          This is how I think it will go as of now (by record):

                          1. Heat
                          2. Cavs
                          3. Pistons
                          4. Pacers
                          5. Bulls
                          6. Wizards
                          7. Nets
                          8. Magic

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                          • #58
                            Re: Where do we rank now?

                            35-45 wins,

                            between 6th and 10th in the East.

                            Younger quicker team with an inability to shoot well and a coach who loves to call every play and slow things to a crawl.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #59
                              Re: Where do we rank now?

                              Ok based on record,assuming the pending trades all go through.
                              Part of me thinks the Bulls could be a few spots higher , then again I am not sure.


                              :cavaliers
                              :thepiston
                              :thepacers




                              Why Not Us ?

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                              • #60
                                Re: Where do we rank now?

                                Originally posted by Hicks
                                I think my point is being missed here. I'm not trying to say we're just like (or even similar to) Miami in terms of our team. I'm drawing the parallel at the chemistry/character issues of that team, and the questions of what direction we're going (in other words, it's not clear, and last year it wasn't clear with them).
                                I'll try to respond without mentioning Shaq or Wade.

                                What did Miami do? They got a coach who everyone listened to. Let's face it, Miami doesn't win that title without Riley at the help. Walker, Payton, Jwill, and the rest of the supporting cast would not have responded to Van Gundy like they did Riley.

                                It appears the Pacers don't have a coach who everyone responds to.

                                Also, Miami took a leap from team that went to the ECF's to NBA champion.

                                If you believe the Pacers are finals contenders, then that's taking a leap from a poor 41-41 first round exit season to NBA finals appearance. That's an almost unheard of leap without the addition of a major superstar.

                                I don't see anyone in the east touching Miami this postseason. Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit are all better than us. NJ is better than us.

                                Honestly, I would rather be the Orlando Magic right now, and I mean that. They will be a playoff team next season, no doubt about it in my mind.
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                                Originally posted by bulletproof
                                Yep. I agree. And everyone thought Miami was going to be a mess this year.

                                Miami doesn't concern me. We seem to have their number, even when we're not at full strength.

                                True, why should Miami concern anyone? They only won the NBA title and eliminated all of their opponents in 6 or less games.

                                If by "having their number" you mean beating them in November, then yes, I guess we "have their number", just like we had Detroit's number because we beat them on November 19. If we would have played Miami in a series this year, I doubt you'd still be saying we had their number. They would have wiped the floor with us. There is a difference between playoff basketball and November basketball.

                                Nothing is won in November or the regular saeson. There was a time in the year where Miami was 10-10. Detroit wiped the floor with Miami 3 out of 4 regular season games this year, then lost to them in 6 games.

                                And who thought Miami was going to be a mess? I've never understood why anyone thought that going from a supporting cast of Eddie Jones/Damon Jones/Rasul Butler/Kenyon Dooling to Gary Payton/Jason Williams/James Posey/Antoine Walker was neccessarily a bad thing.

                                True, most had Detroit finishing ahead. But people can be wrong, just like how more than half of this board had the Pacers tagged as title contenders at this time last season.

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