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    Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

    bob kravtiz
    Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership
    July 12, 2006

    It's been known for a couple of weeks, but today it's official: The Indiana Pacers are a little bit less professional than they were Tuesday. That's because with the end of the NBA's moratorium on trade announcements, Austin Croshere, one of the last links to the Pacers' 2000 NBA Finals team, officially has been sent to the Dallas Mavericks for Marquis Daniels.
    Now, in terms of raw value, the Pacers did well here: First, they got a younger, longer, more athletic player who can give them minutes at both guard spots and small forward. Second, they moved Croshere's burdensome contract, which he signed after punching a winning lottery ticket after the 2000 NBA Finals.
    That said, the Pacers, owners of one of the most dysfunctional locker rooms ever last season, lost something very valuable with this deal. They lost one of their few remaining monuments to sanity. If your offseason objective is to improve the team's chemistry, is Croshere the guy you're looking to deal? He's one of the few players who accepted his role, refrained from complaining (even during the Isiah Thomas perpetual DNP years) and tried to keep his team from tumbling off a cliff last spring.
    Now, if the Pacers end up moving solid citizens Jeff Foster and/or Anthony Johnson, they might consider using a straitjacket as a warm-up jacket.
    "It's hard imagining not driving down Fall Creek and 465,'' Croshere said Tuesday as he graciously hosted some local media at 14 West restaurant. "For nine years, you get into a routine. There are all those personalities, the people you meet on a daily basis, and now you're not going to interact with them in the same way. It's definitely a difficult thing to swallow. The first 48 hours were real emotional. But it's something we've come to terms with and we're embracing.''
    If we're going to be honest, Croshere never delivered on the potential he flashed in those 2000 NBA Finals. The truth was, the team overpaid to keep him, although in the Pacers' defense, Croshere gave them every reason to believe he was poised to become a cornerstone of the franchise. He was paid like a star, and never turned into anything more than a solid pro.
    He showed, though, that a guy doesn't have to put up major numbers or stick around 18 years to leave footprints. Croshere always was, and still is, one of the good guys. He wasn't the player the Pacers or the city hoped he would be, but he was always a pro's pro and a solid teammate, two of the elements today's team is sorely missing.
    When somebody asked him Tuesday about the current state of the team, Croshere smiled and stumbled a little. He knows, better than most, that the Pacers today are an unholy mess of mismatched personalities. If Jamaal Tinsley isn't pouting, Stephen Jackson is imploding. If Sarunas Jasikevicius isn't wearing that why-did-I-leave-Israel-for-this? look, David Harrison is losing his head over a foul call. Massive changes are needed, especially as it becomes abundantly clear coach Rick Carlisle is not going to get a contract extension.
    And yet, Croshere believes this thing can be salvaged. Chemistry is going to be important, but keep in mind, the Miami Heat brought in three guys known as locker-room cancers -- Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and Gary Payton -- and won an NBA title.
    "I don't think it's that far from getting back on track, as long as guys can stay healthy,'' Croshere said. "I would see last year being the exception rather than the rule, that being based on the people who are running this organization.''
    The Pacers are not just losing a player who sold himself to the fans with passion and professionalism. They are also losing the last current player who made an impact for the 2000 Finals team. It's hard to imagine, in just seven summers, the perception of the Pacers has changed so dramatically. From a title-contending team that represented everything good about NBA basketball. To this.
    "After those first three years (reaching two conference finals and an NBA Finals), and then the next three (getting eliminated in the first round), you realize, those first three years were really what it's all about,'' Croshere said. "Having great team chemistry, having everybody on the same page, accepting roles, doing all the little things and not complaining. At the time, I assumed that's how it was with every team, except maybe we had more talent. As things went along, I realized, looking back, how special that group of people was.''
    The good news is, Daniels will fill Croshere's shoes and give Indiana more production for less money. With the Pacers' backcourt still unsettled, Daniels will have a huge role. He's not as tough or aggressive as you would like -- that's why Dallas coach Avery Johnson soured on him -- but he brings some talents the Pacers desperately need.
    He cannot, however, give them the perspective and leadership Croshere offered.
    Daniels will be a nice addition to a team that needs a lot more nice additions if they're going to be anything more than a lottery team next year. But Croshere will be missed a lot more than you might imagine.
    Wanna make a splash?
    Several well-known, and highly paid, players, including the following, are thought to be on the trading block this summer.
    Pos.PlayerTeam2006-07 salary
    FChris WebberPhiladelphia$20,718,750
    GAllen IversonPhiladelphia$18,281,250
    FJalen RoseNew York$16,901,500
    FShawn MarionPhoenix$15,070,000
    GBaron DavisGolden State$15,070,000
    GSteve FrancisNew York$15,070,000
    FLamar OdomL.A. Lakers$12,489,000
    FCarlos BoozerUtah$11,593,816
    CBrad MillerSacramento$9,625,000
    CSamuel DalembertPhiladelphia$8,800,000
    GQuentin RichardsonNew York$7,400,000

    -- Mark Montieth



    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printart
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    Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

    Is Lamar Odom ever not on the trading block??
    STARBURY

    08 and Beyond

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    • #3
      Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

      Here it is with paragraphs

      http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printart


      Bob Kravtiz
      Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership
      July 12, 2006


      It's been known for a couple of weeks, but today it's official: The Indiana Pacers are a little bit less professional than they were Tuesday. That's because with the end of the NBA's moratorium on trade announcements, Austin Croshere, one of the last links to the Pacers' 2000 NBA Finals team, officially has been sent to the Dallas Mavericks for Marquis Daniels.

      Now, in terms of raw value, the Pacers did well here: First, they got a younger, longer, more athletic player who can give them minutes at both guard spots and small forward. Second, they moved Croshere's burdensome contract, which he signed after punching a winning lottery ticket after the 2000 NBA Finals.

      That said, the Pacers, owners of one of the most dysfunctional locker rooms ever last season, lost something very valuable with this deal. They lost one of their few remaining monuments to sanity. If your offseason objective is to improve the team's chemistry, is Croshere the guy you're looking to deal? He's one of the few players who accepted his role, refrained from complaining (even during the Isiah Thomas perpetual DNP years) and tried to keep his team from tumbling off a cliff last spring.

      Now, if the Pacers end up moving solid citizens Jeff Foster and/or Anthony Johnson, they might consider using a straitjacket as a warm-up jacket.

      "It's hard imagining not driving down Fall Creek and 465,'' Croshere said Tuesday as he graciously hosted some local media at 14 West restaurant. "For nine years, you get into a routine. There are all those personalities, the people you meet on a daily basis, and now you're not going to interact with them in the same way. It's definitely a difficult thing to swallow. The first 48 hours were real emotional. But it's something we've come to terms with and we're embracing.''

      If we're going to be honest, Croshere never delivered on the potential he flashed in those 2000 NBA Finals. The truth was, the team overpaid to keep him, although in the Pacers' defense, Croshere gave them every reason to believe he was poised to become a cornerstone of the franchise. He was paid like a star, and never turned into anything more than a solid pro.

      He showed, though, that a guy doesn't have to put up major numbers or stick around 18 years to leave footprints. Croshere always was, and still is, one of the good guys. He wasn't the player the Pacers or the city hoped he would be, but he was always a pro's pro and a solid teammate, two of the elements today's team is sorely missing.

      When somebody asked him Tuesday about the current state of the team, Croshere smiled and stumbled a little. He knows, better than most, that the Pacers today are an unholy mess of mismatched personalities. If Jamaal Tinsley isn't pouting, Stephen Jackson is imploding. If Sarunas Jasikevicius isn't wearing that why-did-I-leave-Israel-for-this? look, David Harrison is losing his head over a foul call. Massive changes are needed, especially as it becomes abundantly clear coach Rick Carlisle is not going to get a contract extension.

      And yet, Croshere believes this thing can be salvaged. Chemistry is going to be important, but keep in mind, the Miami Heat brought in three guys known as locker-room cancers -- Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and Gary Payton -- and won an NBA title.

      "I don't think it's that far from getting back on track, as long as guys can stay healthy,'' Croshere said. "I would see last year being the exception rather than the rule, that being based on the people who are running this organization.''

      The Pacers are not just losing a player who sold himself to the fans with passion and professionalism. They are also losing the last current player who made an impact for the 2000 Finals team. It's hard to imagine, in just seven summers, the perception of the Pacers has changed so dramatically. From a title-contending team that represented everything good about NBA basketball. To this.

      "After those first three years (reaching two conference finals and an NBA Finals), and then the next three (getting eliminated in the first round), you realize, those first three years were really what it's all about,'' Croshere said. "Having great team chemistry, having everybody on the same page, accepting roles, doing all the little things and not complaining. At the time, I assumed that's how it was with every team, except maybe we had more talent. As things went along, I realized, looking back, how special that group of people was.''

      The good news is, Daniels will fill Croshere's shoes and give Indiana more production for less money. With the Pacers' backcourt still unsettled, Daniels will have a huge role. He's not as tough or aggressive as you would like -- that's why Dallas coach Avery Johnson soured on him -- but he brings some talents the Pacers desperately need.

      He cannot, however, give them the perspective and leadership Croshere offered.

      Daniels will be a nice addition to a team that needs a lot more nice additions if they're going to be anything more than a lottery team next year. But Croshere will be missed a lot more than you might imagine.

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      • #4
        Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

        Originally posted by Unclebuck
        Here it is with paragraphs
        Thank you.

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        • #5
          Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

          Montieth is a ****ing cancer, thats what he is.

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          • #6
            Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

            Originally posted by Frostwolf
            Montieth is a ****ing cancer, thats what he is.
            Huh? What brought that on.
            ____________________________________________
            I read this earlier and I thought Mark Montieth wrote it. A very good article from Kravitz!

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            • #7
              Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

              Whats really sad is as of late I have been agreeing with Kravitz's pessism way to often nowaday.

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              • #8
                Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                Whats really sad is as of late I have been agreeing with Kravitz's pessism way to often nowaday.
                You? Pessimistic? Noooo...

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                • #9
                  Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                  Originally posted by bulletproof
                  You? Pessimistic? Noooo...
                  No I am a realist, the reality of the matter is we suck. Kravitz is a pessimist, and at the current times we simply seem to be in sync.

                  Its amazing how delusional some fans are on this board. We were 41-41 last year, we look to be worse next year. And the Bucks, Bulls, and Magic all look to be getting better. And if Boston can comehow get Iverson, then they will probably be better than us.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                    Originally posted by Will Galen
                    Huh? What brought that on.
                    ____________________________________________
                    I read this earlier and I thought Mark Montieth wrote it. A very good article from Kravitz!
                    Damn, I thought Montieth had read that article... swore I saw his name at the end of the article. My bad

                    Kravitz is of the same kind regardless.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                      Originally posted by Pacers#1Fan
                      Several well-known, and highly paid, players, including the following, are thought to be on the trading block this summer.
                      Pos.PlayerTeam2006-07 salary
                      FChris WebberPhiladelphia$20,718,750
                      GAllen IversonPhiladelphia$18,281,250
                      FJalen RoseNew York$16,901,500
                      FShawn MarionPhoenix$15,070,000
                      GBaron DavisGolden State$15,070,000
                      GSteve FrancisNew York$15,070,000
                      FLamar OdomL.A. Lakers$12,489,000
                      FCarlos BoozerUtah$11,593,816
                      CBrad MillerSacramento$9,625,000
                      CSamuel DalembertPhiladelphia$8,800,000
                      GQuentin RichardsonNew York$7,400,000

                      -- Mark Montieth



                      http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...plate=printart
                      This is where you saw Montieth

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                        Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                        No I am a realist, the reality of the matter is we suck. Kravitz is a pessimist, and at the current times we simply seem to be in sync.

                        Its amazing how delusional some fans are on this board. We were 41-41 last year, we look to be worse next year. And the Bucks, Bulls, and Magic all look to be getting better. And if Boston can comehow get Iverson, then they will probably be better than us.

                        Well, I'm not trying to say anything bad against you, but then what is the point of being a fan or watching the team. Yeah alot of the time things don't look too good, but having hope at least shows a little support. Sitting back and criticizing or complaining about every decision and forgetting about the players and the part of the game you do like doesn't end up being that fun.

                        I'm not calling you out, I just wanted to explain that maybe people are totally delusional just hopeful.
                        Life without water is tough, life without air is hard,life with one leg only is wobbly, Life without Reggie Miller, is impossible.

                        Do Not Trade Austin

                        Originally posted by Conrad Brunner
                        Veteran Austin Croshere, the longest-tenured Pacers player on the roster, has proven reliable when called upon, invariably ready to step in regardless of the circumstance.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                          Originally posted by 8.9_seconds
                          Well, I'm not trying to say anything bad against you, but then what is the point of being a fan or watching the team. Yeah alot of the time things don't look too good, but having hope at least shows a little support. Sitting back and criticizing or complaining about every decision and forgetting about the players and the part of the game you do like doesn't end up being that fun.

                          I'm not calling you out, I just wanted to explain that maybe people are totally delusional just hopeful.
                          I can be a fan and know we suck. In fact thats one of the requirements to being a true fan. To know your team sucks, and hope for the future. While still following them.

                          I know we suck, and I have hope for the future. But at the present we SUCK.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                            Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                            I can be a fan and know we suck. In fact thats one of the requirements to being a true fan. To know your team sucks, and hope for the future. While still following them.

                            I know we suck, and I have hope for the future. But at the present we SUCK.
                            Got to agree with D4G here.

                            I usually reserve SUCK for the Knicks, Blazers, Bobcats and Hawks of the world, but we're not much better than those guys in the grand scheme.

                            Just like those guys, there is absolutely 0% chance of us making the Conference Finals next year, so I would have to agree that at the very least, we aren't good.

                            What you have to hope for is that we improve in a way that will turn the ship around.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Kravitz- Pacers will miss Croshere's leadership

                              Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                              I can be a fan and know we suck. In fact thats one of the requirements to being a true fan. To know your team sucks, and hope for the future. While still following them.

                              I know we suck, and I have hope for the future. But at the present we SUCK.
                              Check the dictionary, a fan and a true fan are actually the same thing.
                              ____________________________________________
                              Originally posted by JayRedd
                              Just like those guys, there is absolutely 0% chance of us making the Conference Finals next year, so I would have to agree that at the very least, we aren't good.

                              What you have to hope for is that we improve in a way that will turn the ship around.
                              Gee, zero change and we've just started the Summer.

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