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Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

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  • #16
    Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

    Originally posted by Jay@Section204
    If Chuck can teach him to shoot the rock ...
    If there's a movement afoot to kidnap both of them, and drop them on a deserted island with a basketball, hoop, and 3-point line, I'm in.

    Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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    • #17
      Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

      Speed Freak, So freak injuries don't count as injuries now. Wow, congrats Tinsely your not injury prone. And so he traded off an Injury in the ankle, for one in the neck. The fact of the matter is he is 25 and in the last 2 years he missed 42 games from various injuries. To his neck, Hamstring, and ankle. I'll give him a pass on the Appendicitus.

      But to say he isn't injury prone is just delusional. He has never even played 30 MPG, and yet hes getting hurt this often.

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      • #18
        Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

        A neck injury that caused him to miss 15 games because someone slammed their forearm into it is his fault???

        I refuse to count that injury towards him being injury prone. That would be like saying the guy who got in a car wreck and hurt his neck is injury prone. I don't care how you cut it, the neck injury isn't his fault.

        And if missing games two seasons ago because of an ankle injury (that didn't reoccur the entire next season) is all it takes to qualify someone as injury prone than give me 5 minutes and I'll provide you a long list of many other "injury prone" players.

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        • #19
          Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

          Originally posted by Since86
          Don't hold your breath. His career average is only 22.4%

          Good thing he only shot 19 for the entire year.
          What was Ron's before Chuck started working with him?

          Tinsley has shown marked improvement when his legs/ feet/ elbow were healthy.

          Besides, if anyone on this team shoots more than two 3pt-FGA per game next season, I'll scream.

          Live by the three, die by the three.

          I'd be very happy if Marquis becomes profecient at the 16-footer.
          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
          And life itself, rushing over me
          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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          • #20
            Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

            Oh so how you get injured doesn't matter. By your definition tinsley isn't injury prone. Oh Bender wasn't injury prone. Nobody is injury prone.

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            • #21
              Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

              Oh come on. There's a big difference between out-of-shape injuries (thus, injury prone) and a guy having bad luck with freak accidents that may or may not ever repeat.
              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
              And life itself, rushing over me
              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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              • #22
                Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                Ok Destined, if how you get injured doesn't matter than here is a list of players who missed games nearly equivelant to the number missed my Daniels. I hereby label them all injury prone and nothing but a risk and liability.

                Elton Brand
                02-03 62 games
                03-04 69 games

                Kobe Bryant
                03-04 65 games played
                04-05 66 games

                Al Harrington
                04-05 66 games

                Allen Iverson
                03-04 48 games

                Richard Jefferson
                04-05 33 games

                Jason Kidd
                03-04 67 games
                04-05 66 games

                Dwayne Wade
                03-04 61 games

                Now that I have them listed, you might notice I didn't list their games played for this year. That's because every one of those players played high 70's - 82 games last season. That's despite the fact that they are "injury-proned".

                Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                Oh come on. There's a big difference between out-of-shape injuries (thus, injury prone) and a guy having bad luck with freak accidents that may or may not ever repeat.
                Precisely

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                • #23
                  Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                  Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                  Oh so how you get injured doesn't matter. By your definition tinsley isn't injury prone. Oh Bender wasn't injury prone. Nobody is injury prone.
                  What is up with you? Seriously. This is a great trade. I don't really see a downside. Worst case scenario, Marquis produces like he did in Dallas and we just added another versatile player that's a fringe starter. Best case scenario we just got our starting SG of the future (if his starter minute averages are indicative of anything). Also, he definitely provides the Pacers skills that we don't have.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                    Originally posted by Speed Freak
                    Ok Destined, if how you get injured doesn't matter than here is a list of players who missed games nearly equivelant to the number missed my Daniels. I hereby label them all injury prone and nothing but a risk and liability.

                    Elton Brand
                    02-03 62 games
                    03-04 69 games

                    Kobe Bryant
                    03-04 65 games played
                    04-05 66 games

                    Al Harrington
                    04-05 66 games

                    Allen Iverson
                    03-04 48 games

                    Richard Jefferson
                    04-05 33 games

                    Jason Kidd
                    03-04 67 games
                    04-05 66 games

                    Dwayne Wade
                    03-04 61 games

                    Now that I have them listed, you might notice I didn't list their games played for this year. That's because every one of those players played high 70's - 82 games last season. That's despite the fact that they are "injury-proned".



                    Precisely
                    Those are all one or two seasons. Daniels has nto played more than 62 games. Only AI, Wade, and RJ dip below that on your list, ONCE. He hasn't managed to do it EVER. For 3 straight years, he has missed 20 or more games. I remember a time when people said Tinsley was just unfortunate with freak accidents, that time eventually passed.

                    Originally posted by rexnom
                    What is up with you? Seriously. This is a great trade. I don't really see a downside. Worst case scenario, Marquis produces like he did in Dallas and we just added another versatile player that's a fringe starter. Best case scenario we just got our starting SG of the future (if his starter minute averages are indicative of anything). Also, he definitely provides the Pacers skills that we don't have.
                    My problem is we got a guy that we will be lucky to see play 65 games, can't shoot a 3 to save his life(one of our biggest problems IIRC). For what. Our largest expiring contract and our teams only leader. JO has proved he can't do it, so unless AJ is going to take over we are screwed.

                    When our starting line-up misses 100+ games for like the 3rd season in a row, maybe you'll understand why I am so upset with idiotic trade. Plus we need a PG and a C, so its a great idea to trade for a project SG.

                    Its a great trade talent wise, but when you take into account we were thin up front and already had a Project SG in White, it doesn't really make sense.

                    Now if he is meant to be our Project PG, I am slightly less ticked about the trade, but I have had my fill of injury prone PG's. I think we all have.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                      Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                      -snip- JO has proved he can't do it, so unless AJ is going to take over we are screwed.
                      He has?

                      This team has plenty of problems. But contrary to popular, knee-jerk opinion, JO is not one of them.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #26
                        Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                        Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                        He has?

                        This team has plenty of problems. But contrary to popular, knee-jerk opinion, JO is not one of them.
                        34-33(Without JO)*
                        33-39(With JO)*

                        * Excluding Artest Games

                        JO may not be a problem, but he certainly isn't a solution.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                          It will be interesting to see if JO ever gets to play with a team that compliments (instead of contradicts) his skill set.

                          I wouldn't want to rush to negative judgement when the entire team has been such a dysfunctional mess that no single player/ leader could have saved them.

                          In other words, too much blame is directed at JO's inability to save this unsalvageable team, and not enough blame has been directed at management for putting this mess together in the first place.

                          By the criteria that many PD posters (not necessarily you but there has been way too much of this nonsense all summer) use to evaluate JO, then Garnett must be an absolute failure as a leader and superstar. After all, he's a better individual player than JO but his team is even worse.

                          Now, back to your regular Marquis Daniels thread. Sorry for the interruption...
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                          • #28
                            Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                            Originally posted by Destined4Greatness
                            34-33(Without JO)*
                            33-39(With JO)*

                            * Excluding Artest Games

                            JO may not be a problem, but he certainly isn't a solution.
                            I don't buy this. Let's field a real team that has been built around him and then attribute losses to JO.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                              Originally posted by rexnom
                              Let's field a real team that has been built around him and then attribute losses to JO.
                              Ah . . . last I heard it was still a team game.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Marquis Daniels Profile & Facts

                                Originally posted by Will Galen
                                Ah . . . last I heard it was still a team game.
                                That's what I'm trying to say...it's unfair to pin it all on JO, especially when this team really hasn't been built around him.

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