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  • #16
    Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

    When/If the Pacers get out of the first round of the playoffs, the people will come.

    Games do cost a lot of money. People with financial issues would rather spend money and go to a game later in the playoffs than this early.

    Attendance might be better on Tuesday since the Pacers did win.

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    • #17
      Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

      I'm sure what I am about to say won't be very popular. Especially with those I like and respect until they get into pontificating. It gets old - very, very old.

      I haven't been to a game in a long, long time. My job requires me to work almost every time a game is being played. I use to go to many of the game. I would love to go and have good seats. However, situations have dictated otherwise over the past few years. Yes, there are those who will say - but there are cheap seats. That's exactly what they are cheap seats. It would certainly lessen my enjoyment of the game.

      Is anyone else on here a bigger fan than me? Emphatically NO! Is anyone on here a bigger fan than possibly a family of 6 who's budget weighs food against even the cheap seats but live and die with the Pacers? Emphatically NO! Or how about the family I know who had to travel to Illinois so their daughter could get a shot at a college volleyball scholarship and were disappointed they couldn't even see the game. Are those in attendance bigger fans than them? Emphatically NO!

      Hell, half of the fans who attended the games all year long in the corporate boxes or suites couldn't have given a rats *** who won the game.

      Fan support comes in many ways. I'm certain there are HUGE fans who have never been to a game in person in their lives but are thrilled when there is a free downtown pep rally and can see the players in person. They gave their time to go to the pep rally to SUPPORT the team.

      Don't equate money for a friggin game ticket to fan support. I've heard it all year and it's old, and more annoying, than the 10,000 Brad Miller threads.
      The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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      • #18
        Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

        Any problem with crowd noise has a very simple explanation: I wasn't there.

        As far as Croshere not playing, I think at this point Carlisle has completely earned any benefit of the doubt as far as his coaching decisions. I'm sure Austin was itching to play and was disappointed not to, but the same could be said for Anderson and Pollard, who by all accounts have been just as dedicated and as much of a team player as Croshere.

        Everyone remember all of the groaning and crying when Freddie was drafted? Anyone complaining now? UB makes a great point that this was his first playoff game and he played like a playoff veteran, not a common occurence, although I think it is not a huge suprise due to his four year college career and postseason tournament experience there.

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        • #19
          Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

          Sorry, I just don't buy the excuses people give. If you cannot afford it, I can understand. But out of the million people here, there have to be 18000 who can. But there are people not willing to do so. Maybe it's because we've sucked the last few years. But we don't this year.

          And a movie?? You can see the movie any other time. There is only ONE pacers game. Bad excuse.

          Games do cost a lot of money, and I'm not saying people should go to every game. But if people just try and go to a single game, it would be fine. Instead they make excuses not to come. And that pisses me off.

          Edit: There are about 800,000 people in Indy alone, probably more. With 18, 345 seats, that is approximately 2.29 % of the INDY population that is needed. Don't tell me there aren't this many people that can't go to a game. And this is INDY alone. There are other areas nearby where people can come from to go to the game.
          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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          • #20
            Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

            18,000 at the Staples Center equals what .0000000000001 of the population of LA and 16,000 represents .00000001 of the people of Indianapolis. So who are the biggest fans?
            The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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            • #21
              Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

              One thing I take away from talking to casual fans I know in Indiana is that this team hasn't really successfully forged an identity like the Brown and Bird teams (esp. the Bird teams) did. Three years of lesser success and an almost complete turnover in the players who were in the rotation probably contributed to this. This years team seems to be making an imprint on people's minds with JO playing at "just under" MVP level and Ron cutting out the antics enough to be recognized for what he brings on the floor, not off it. Playoff success will help the casual fan get behind this team as well.
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              • #22
                Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                Sorry, I just don't buy the excuses people give. If you cannot afford it, I can understand. But out of the million people here, there have to be 18000 who can. But there are people not willing to do so. Maybe it's because we've sucked the last few years. But we don't this year.

                And a movie?? You can see the movie any other time. There is only ONE pacers game. Bad excuse.

                Games do cost a lot of money, and I'm not saying people should go to every game. But if people just try and go to a single game, it would be fine. Instead they make excuses not to come. And that pisses me off.

                Edit: There are about 800,000 people in Indy alone, probably more. With 18, 345 seats, that is approximately 2.29 % of the INDY population that is needed. Don't tell me there aren't this many people that can't go to a game. And this is INDY alone. There are other areas nearby where people can come from to go to the game.
                It's still a matter of preference. There might be 50,000 that can afford to go to every game, but maybe half of those people don't even like sports. Maybe another 5,000 don't like NBA basketball. 2,000 people had things they'd rather do on a beautiful day outside and another 2,000 would rather watch at home, a bar, or at a party with friends.

                I'm not saying those numbers are accurate, I'm just saying that however you cut it, there were only 16,500 people willing to pay or go to the game yesterday. Whatever the reasons were for the other people not going, it's their reasons and I don't see how we can sit here and tell them that their reasoning is wrong. They don't owe the Pacers anything.

                Now if you want to tell me that this all reflects poorly on Indianapolis as a professional sports city, I'd say that's true. I just don't want to go so far as to say people SHOULD be going to the game.
                Can we get a new color commentator please?

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                • #23
                  Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                  The 76ers had 500 tickets they allocated last year to be sold to the public for all playoff games so for game 3 against Detroit in round two myself and 2 friends slept outside the Wachovia center in a tent so we were at the front of the line that next morning when they went on sale and yes we got our 3 tickets. We weren't alone there were probably about 800 people camped out that night.

                  As far as the movie; if you offered me $1,000 to go to a movie instead of watching a 76ers playoff game I would tell you to go to he**. I know alot of my friends would tell you the same thing. Maybe were just degenerates in the northeast. But to me you never know whats going to happen that Pacers game yesterday could have been a triple overtime thriller, or JO could have scored 55 pts. You never know you might have missed the best playoff game in Pacers history.

                  All that being said I fully understand the economic issue its sad but MANY people have been priced out of professional sports. I also fully understand if you have to work. But to willingly go watch a movie instead of the Pacers; wow that sounds like something a Lakers fan or Atlanta sports fan would do.

                  I wouldn't worry about the atmosphere in the building I know it seemed pretty loud on TV yesterday and Indy has always been a tough place for the 76ers in the playoffs. You guys have plenty of loud passionate fans there, I don't know who that guy is in the construction hat that sits in the lower level but I see him there every year and he seems pretty intense.

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                  • #24
                    Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                    Gee Dipper . . . I never thought of you as anything else but a degenerate
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                    • #25
                      Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                      As far as the movie; if you offered me $1,000 to go to a movie instead of watching a 76ers playoff game I would tell you to go to he**. I know alot of my friends would tell you the same thing. Maybe were just degenerates in the northeast. But to me you never know whats going to happen that Pacers game yesterday could have been a triple overtime thriller, or JO could have scored 55 pts. You never know you might have missed the best playoff game in Pacers history.

                      All that being said I fully understand the economic issue its sad but some families have been priced out of professional sports. I also fully understand if you have to work. But to willingly go watch a movie instead of the Pacers; wow that sounds like something a Lakers fan or Atlanta sports fan would do.

                      I wouldn't expect many people here would skip a game to go see a movie. We're in a Pacer basketball forum. When you consider the entire population of any city, and those that can afford to go to a game, most likely many of them are not even sports fans. Among the general public, I think alot of people couldn't care less about sports and would prefer a movie or other form of entertainment. I'm sure nobody who would spend time on this forum would be in that group though.
                      Can we get a new color commentator please?

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                      • #26
                        Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                        Sorry, I just don't buy the excuses people give. If you cannot afford it, I can understand. But out of the million people here, there have to be 18000 who can. But there are people not willing to do so. Maybe it's because we've sucked the last few years. But we don't this year.

                        And a movie?? You can see the movie any other time. There is only ONE pacers game. Bad excuse.

                        Games do cost a lot of money, and I'm not saying people should go to every game. But if people just try and go to a single game, it would be fine. Instead they make excuses not to come. And that pisses me off.

                        Edit: There are about 800,000 people in Indy alone, probably more. With 18, 345 seats, that is approximately 2.29 % of the INDY population that is needed. Don't tell me there aren't this many people that can't go to a game. And this is INDY alone. There are other areas nearby where people can come from to go to the game.
                        It's still a matter of preference. There might be 50,000 that can afford to go to every game, but maybe half of those people don't even like sports. Maybe another 5,000 don't like NBA basketball. 2,000 people had things they'd rather do on a beautiful day outside and another 2,000 would rather watch at home, a bar, or at a party with friends.

                        I'm not saying those numbers are accurate, I'm just saying that however you cut it, there were only 16,500 people willing to pay or go to the game yesterday. Whatever the reasons were for the other people not going, it's their reasons and I don't see how we can sit here and tell them that their reasoning is wrong. They don't owe the Pacers anything.

                        Now if you want to tell me that this all reflects poorly on Indianapolis as a professional sports city, I'd say that's true. I just don't want to go so far as to say people SHOULD be going to the game.
                        I'm not saying people should go to every game. It's very hard to do something like that. But to go to 1 game....there should be enough people who could do that. Obviously, people are not willing to go. That is the problem. There were only 16,500 willing to go, but there are many, MANY more who could've gone. Who knows what reasons they would give. At this time of year, I just don't buy them.

                        It's not like Indy is a party city. There really isn't a hell of a lot to do here. But basketball is supposed to be tradition here, isn't it? If so, why don't people go? It's the PLAYOFFS, too. Not just the regular season. I can't see why there aren't 18, 345 people who can't go to the game.

                        And what about other cities? They seem to be selling much better than we are. Why do they go to the game and we can't? I'm sure those states are having economic problems too. The Nets game had 18,206 people there. The Spurs game had 18, 797 people there. The Lakers game had 18,997 people there. We had 16,605. That is ridiculous.
                        Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                        • #27
                          Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                          Gee Dipper . . . I never thought of you as anything else but a degenerate


                          I wouldn't expect many people here would skip a game to go see a movie. We're in a Pacer basketball forum. When you consider the entire population of any city, and those that can afford to go to a game, most likely many of them are not even sports fans. Among the general public, I think alot of people couldn't care less about sports and would prefer a movie or other form of entertainment. I'm sure nobody who would spend time on this forum would be in that group though.
                          I fully understand what you are saying. Like I mentioned I know alot of people have been priced out of the sport; the league has definitely shifted to a corporate crowd.

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                          • #28
                            Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                            Here is something that everyone can chew on...

                            On Friday morning I decided that I wanted to go to Game 1. I didn't want to take my wife because of having to pay for her ticket and a sitter for my daughter, but didn't really want to go by myself...So I figured I would ask some of my coworkers if they wanted to go. I am a union electrician and we make a decent livlihood at our trade...So, I figured money wouldn't be that much of an issue. Here is what I got.

                            Coworker #1
                            -Do you know what the weather is going to be like this weekend? Why would I want to go to a basketball game?

                            Coworker #2
                            -I wouldn't waste a nickle on the NBA!!!

                            Coworker #3
                            -Eric, why are you going when the best seat is in front of your TV?

                            Coworker #4
                            -Family plans

                            Father-in-Law
                            -I got work to do around the house.

                            Friend #1
                            -playin golf!

                            I ended up going by myself....and had a great time! Well worth my $22. I'm cheap! I park on the street (I've got my secret spots I can get to), eat before I go, I don't drink there...I have no shame to cheer perfectly sober, as if I were a drunkard! I was so entertained Saturday, I made my way to the box office and picked up a $12 ticket for Tuesday!

                            I hate to say it, but when I moved to Indinapolis, I would have never guessed the apathey over the Pacers. I'm not going to rip Indy's sports fans because eventhough the Colts have their problems at the gate, their is a lot more passion about the Colts right now. Everytime I try to talk Pacers, I get looked at like I'm talking about the Grand Rapids Rampage, or some team that isn't worth talking about.

                            You know the funny thing is..The Colts and Pacers are not that different comming off of the last few seasons:

                            The Colts had a disater of a season 2 years ago by limping into the play-offs...only to get pimp slapped by the NY Jets 41-0. The very next season...attendance suffers for about 2 or 3 early season home games, but the ship is righted and sell most of their tickets the rest of the year. Going into the play-offs, The Colts got plastered by who they would have to play in the 1st round...Colts STILL sell out the game, or at least enough to get it on TV.


                            The Pacers limp into the the play-offs last year, and get beat down by the Celts. The very next season, the cry is...I'm going to wait and see about them Pacers, but when the Pacers finish with the NBA's best record...they are....good, but they aren't getting by Detroit, so why watch? Are the excuses I hear.

                            Colts tickets are not cheap!!! Besides about a few hundred $15 seats, the cheapest seat in the dome is $30 and those are no where near as good as the cheapest seat in Conseco. I know that there are a lot more games in the NBA to go to, but attitude wise...Seems like the Pacers might as well be the San Diego Pacers. I would have never guess this when I moved here, being that the Pacers are why I moved here!

                            To me, it seems like people made excuses why they didn't go to Colts games, but always make excuses why they won't go to a Pacers game!
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                            • #29
                              Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                              I forgot a factor I wanted to add:

                              The constant media biasis regarding the Western Conference. I still can't believe the number of people that give the Pacers no chance against the West and especially Lakers. Even among Pacer fans. Yet, it isn't even a foregone conclusion that the Lakers will make it to Finals.

                              I doubt that helps much with the casual fan. That was even one of the Sunshine Brigade excuses used for the dismantling of the Pacers to end the decade ("No way they can beat the Lakers so we need to start over").

                              Now we expect the casual fans to get on the bandwagon while even diehard fans talk about the Lakers as if they are unbeatable? "Come out and invest your heart and emotions (and wallet) into the Pacers while they work toward being the sacrificial lamb to the Lakers"?

                              Couple that with the other factors I mentioned and I think you are getting close to the reason for casual fan apathy. They don't see this team as true contenders. They still see them as pretenders....

                              .02,
                              Bball

                              NOTE: And it didn't help (in the PR department) that we stood pat while the Pistons made a significant change at the trading deadline... and then we lost to those Pistons (handily in the end).
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                                Re: The problem is that Chucky Atkins is right.....

                                As I said earlier, when/if the Pacers get out of the first round of the playoffs, the people will come.

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