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    Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

    I'd like to go back & look at a few comments made following the draft last week. Here is the article from the Indianapolis Star. I highlighted some quotes that I think could be telling.

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...607010426/1088

    July 1, 2006

    Pacers' goal: Get faster
    Bird will work to reshape team in free agency period
    By Mike Wells
    mike.wells@indystar.com

    Larry Bird didn't have to watch Dallas or Phoenix in the playoffs to learn what it would take for the Indiana Pacers to become a title contender again. He said he'd seen the future two years ago.

    That's why the team president now is trying to remake the Pacers, underachievers as a half-court-oriented squad last year, into a longer, faster team that can keep up with the best.

    The first step came Wednesday when they picked up Shawne Williams and James White in the NBA draft. "Athletic" is the first word generally associated with both.

    The next step begins today with the start of the free agency period.
    "There's no question that's the direction we want to go," Bird said. "We want long guys that are athletic and interchangeable. That's just the way it is. I noticed the change a couple of years ago. If we ever got to the NBA Finals, we wouldn't be able to play (such teams). We can't keep the games in the 70s and 80s."

    The new salary cap, to be announced before July 11, is expected to increase from last season's $49.5 million, but the Pacers will still be over it. They will have the mid-level exception of around $5 million and the bi-annual exception ($1.7 million) available.

    "We're going to be active as much as we can," CEO Donnie Walsh said. "We're trying to get this team to play a different way next year."

    Given their limited financial flexibility, the Pacers aren't expected to be in the running for any of the high-priced free agents. Bonzi Wells and Jared Jefferies are possibilities. Former Pacer Al Harrington is, too, if they can't re-sign Peja Stojakovic. But it would take a sign-and-trade to re-acquire Harrington.
    The first day players can sign contracts is July 12.

    In-house, the Pacers' top priority is re-signing Stojakovic. The small forward wants to return to the team, but his agent, David Bauman, said earlier this week that they will to listen to other offers. The Pacers can sign Stojakovic, who averaged 19.5 points in 40 games with Indiana, to a deal of up to six years, while other teams can only offer a five-year contract.

    Shooting guard Fred Jones is a restricted free agent, which means the Pacers can match any offer made to him. But that could be high, as many consider it a weak shooting guard market, and the Pacers probably won't match anything near the midlevel exception.

    Center Scot Pollard and point guard Eddie Gill are unrestricted free agents. There's a chance Pollard could return; Gill probably won't.

    The Pacers also will explore trade options to improve the chemistry on and off the court. Team officials have repeatedly said All-Star forward Jermaine O'Neal will not be involved, however.

    "We look at trades every year, but this year we are looking very hard to see what we can do," Walsh said. "There's no one player we are singling out to trade; we are just trying to put together a team that can have good chemistry on the court. We want chemistry that's better on the court than what we saw last year."

    It wouldn't be surprising if the Pacers tried to trade one of their point guard trio of Jamaal Tinsley, Anthony Johnson and Sarunas Jasikevicius.

    Tinsley, considered the best of the three and the starter when healthy, has battled near-constant injuries and illnesses the past three seasons. Johnson showed his value when he averaged 20 points, 5.2 assists and 5.0 rebounds while outplaying New Jersey's Jason Kidd in the playoffs.

    Austin Croshere is also a candidate to be traded due to the logjam at forward, and because he's entering the final year of his contract.

    Larry Bird: "We can't keep the games in the 70s and 80s."

    Donnie Walsh: "We're trying to get this team to play a different way next year."


    Neither of these comments scream Rick Carlise to me.

    Once the trades are made & the roster is about as set as it could be for the coming year will Bird look at it & realize that Carlise, while a great coach, is not the right guy for our new team.

    Looking at the benches of Phoenix & Dallas, the two teams that were most successful last season in the up-tempo style, who could we bring in to be our next coach?

    Phoenix has Alvin Gentry or head coach Mike D'Antoni's long time assistant & longer time son, Dan.

    Dallas has Del Harris & dark horse canidate Rolando Blackman.
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    Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

    PG Tinsley
    SG Jackson
    SF Granger
    PF Oneal
    C Harrison (possibly Foster)

    New team?

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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      Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

      Originally posted by Mr. Idontreadthreads
      PG Tinsley
      SG Jackson
      SF Granger
      PF Oneal
      C Harrison (possibly Foster)

      New team?
      Originally posted by Jose Slaughter

      Once the trades are made & the roster is about as set as it could be for the coming year will Bird look at it & realize that Carlise, while a great coach, is not the right guy for our new team.

      .
      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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      • #4
        Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

        Originally posted by Kstat
        PG Tinsley
        SG Jackson
        SF Granger
        PF Oneal
        C Harrison (possibly Foster)

        New team?

        I think he sarcastically wrote "new team" in reference to Bird and Walsh referring to the "new" style of play the Pacers are supposedly going to try.

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        • #5
          Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

          See I think there is a world of difference in the way the Mavs play and the way the Suns play. We ain't going to play like the Suns, Bird himself said he doesn't want that. But I think Bird wants the Mavs style for the Pacers. And that more than anything is just an aggressive style.

          Yes I think if given the correct players, Rick can coach the Pacers to play like the Mavs. I believe that 99.9%. The key is getting a point guard Rick can trust

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            Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

            Originally posted by Unclebuck
            See I think there is a world of difference in the way the Mavs play and the way the Suns play. We ain't going to play like the Suns, Bird himself said he doesn't want that. But I think Bird wants the Mavs style for the Pacers. And that more than anything is just an aggressive style.

            Yes I think if given the correct players, Rick can coach the Pacers to play like the Mavs. I believe that 99.9%. The key is getting a point guard Rick can trust
            Well, he does trust AJ.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • #7
              Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

              If Bird is trying to get "longer & faster", AJ will not be the answer at point.

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              • #8
                Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

                Originally posted by SoupIsGood
                Well, he does trust AJ.

                Yes he does, and he gives AJ a lot of freedom to call the plays and to do what the team needs.

                We know he doesn't trust Saras

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                • #9
                  Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

                  Yes Rick can coach the new team Bird is putting together.

                  The key for me is that the team doesn't tune him out. That's the big key for me in deciding if Carlise can coach this new team.

                  He is a good coach though, no one can deny that. So i'd give him a shot, especially if we want to win instead of taking a chance on a guy like say Michael Cooper. I think that there is only one guy avaliable right now that could replace Rick, and that's Rick Aldemen. Why can he replace Rick? He is proven that he can win. If we want to win, I don't think that we can replace a proven coach with an unproven coach, it has to be a guy like Aldemen.

                  I don't really think that we can fire Rick just to replace him with anyone. We have to know who we are going to replace him with a head of time, IMO.

                  So even if we don't feel that Rick can coach this new team he might be our best opition. Unless we want to go down the path of the unknown.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

                    No. At very least I very doubt it. Rick had the "new" team and he was forced to play another style. But after some time and players returning from injuries he slowly reverted back to the good "old" style. Now that supposedly the core remains, even more - Peja is moving out, I doubt that Rick will play the "new" style.
                    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                      Re: Can Carlisle coach our "new" team

                      The best example Rick could set for his players is to conform to what his boss is telling him.

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