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The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

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  • #16
    Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

    Originally posted by Shade
    It's only "part of the game" because we allow it to be. There's a difference between getting the benefit of the doubt and missing calls that everyone else on the planet can see in real time from the stands or their television sets.
    I have seen a few missed calls, but to me they didnt do as bad as people try to make it out to be. Yeah, they missed some calls, buy so does every other ref in every other finals

    Honestly, I'm utterly amazed at the number of people who are fine with just rolling over and ignoring something that's so obviously wrong. If nobody speaks out against it, it will never change.
    I havent seen one person who is "rolling over", unless they are rolling over *****ing Like I said, these refs missed some calls. It happens every year.

    What amazes me is how people who are ignoring the fact that Mark Cuban (who I love but is obnoxious as hell) and the Mavs didnt get the breaks that the Heat did, and it wasnt just Wade. It was the whole heat team. As I saying that is was set up? no. But do I think its a coinsidense? not at all
    All I ask is for a fairly officiated sport. Is that REALLY too much to ask?
    Thats what we all want. But till we get robots that can ignore Cubans loud mouth and Dirk kicking the bike and kicking the ball into the stands, there will always be a human element.

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    • #17
      Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

      Originally posted by vapacersfan
      You just made my point while allegedly making yours.

      Look, we both agree he gets a lot of breaks, some of those being phanton or as "touch" fouls. As much as I dislike that, its part of the game. You tend to get those breaks when you are always drinking to the hole. Its something I wish the Pacers guards (and frankly the whole team) would have learned long ago. Granted in order for that to work, you would have to stop *****ing at the refs long enough for them to give you the benefit of the doubt.



      First of all, welcome to PD.

      Please, point out one time where I said you were into it. I quoted Shade for a reason, because I was responding to him.

      I dont think the games are fixed at all, but I do think some refs let way ot much personal bias impact how they call the games. I just dont think a game could be fixed at this level and it not leak out, even just a little bit.



      I saw that thread. And while I agree with your premise that David Stern shouldnt run anything other then the local circus, that point is ludacris. Comparing Alston to Wade is a joke...mockingly or not.

      Im not even going to waste either of our time arguing against David wanting to hold skip back. If you really beleive that, then I am really, really sorry. BTW, if the league is fixed, (and by no means am I saying it is) my money would be on Stern not knowing anything of it, and someone like the VP or a high up, but not to high up being the one that runs it.



      Well I watched all of the Finals, and while I am not a fan of either team I still enjoyed them. So I guess that takes one out of your "we" generalization......




      Thanks for the welcome. Look forward to agreeing with you more often than not. I wasn't try9ing to pick an argument with you, just trying to say that not everyone who wasn't impressed with the Finals or wade or the Heat was being a sore loser or a hata.

      As for Alston....well no I don;t think he's a great player either. I used him as a mock against the way the games are officiated differently for differnet players. I absolutely DO believe that he is a quicker and better ballhandler than Wade and I DO totally believe that if the ony requirement for getting 25 FTA/game is to be able to penetrate and create contact.........he would be one of the most skilled athletes in the world in that category.

      And I absolutely DO believe that Stern has a hand in determining which players receive the "stars treatment" and which ones don't.

      And for those who would throw Greg Maddux' name into this argument, I would say that BOTH are terribly wrong. Both hurt their sports tremendously, but Maddux getting an extra inch off the plate doesn't drastically effect the outcome of a game the way 10-12 phantom calls do. Its not only the 20 "extra" points that are created for the benefitting team, its the lost opportunity points at the other end as well. You can say that Wade getting 6 phantom calls/gm is worth between 15-20 points. Thats an enormous margin for the opponent to overcome analytically, w/o even factoring in the emotional drain it creates.

      The people that say "score more points" haven't really thought it through enough IMO. The old saying against Jordan's Bulls was that you better be ahead by at least 20 going into the 4th in Chicago Stadium if you wanted to have a chance to win.

      The beauty of sports is the real drama that is created every night. When that drama becomes scripted in any way, it immediately loses most of its appeal. And for me, that is a sin that ranks above Pete Rose's betting on baseball.

      I refuse to see how any knowledgable NBA fan could argue that its integrity is constantly forsaken by obvious "star" traetment that certain players get.

      25 FTA in ONE game is beyond ridiculous. FOR A GUARD.........this wasn't 1968 Wilt. Letting a guy go 1 on 4 with almost no possible chance of success get rewarded with 2 game winning FTs is beyond ridiculous. And for people to celebrate the fact that he actually made them both as if it was something heroic.........please.

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      • #18
        Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

        Originally posted by vapacersfan
        I have seen a few missed calls, but to me they didnt do as bad as people try to make it out to be. Yeah, they missed some calls, buy so does every other ref in every other finals



        I havent seen one person who is "rolling over", unless they are rolling over *****ing Like I said, these refs missed some calls. It happens every year.

        What amazes me is how people who are ignoring the fact that Mark Cuban (who I love but is obnoxious as hell) and the Mavs didnt get the breaks that the Heat did, and it wasnt just Wade. It was the whole heat team. As I saying that is was set up? no. But do I think its a coinsidense? not at all


        Thats what we all want. But till we get robots that can ignore Cubans loud mouth and Dirk kicking the bike and kicking the ball into the stands, there will always be a human element.
        From my personal observation, the phantom foul element was absolutely ridiculous. And you'd think that the refs would be on top of it better since it had become such an issue, but it was just as bad in the final game as any of the others. Refs can't really be that blind/stupid...can they? The refs didn't miss calls so much as they just flat-out pulled them out of thin air. Somehow they managed to see, over and over again, what never actually happened. Amazing.

        And the reason people are focused so much on Wade is because the calls were so obviously and consistently one-sided that it was ludicrous.

        Officiating is bad, yeah, but when it's so obviously bad that three people on the court constantly miss what thousands see from much further away from the action, it does make you step back and think a bit.

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        • #19
          Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

          Its all good man. I love having conversation, and part of what makes this place great is that we dont always agree with each other.

          I never said I thought people were hating, or anything like that, and I never meant to imply that in any of my posts. I'm just tired of people cutting them down and acting like the refs gave the series to the Heat.

          I realize the refs suck/sucked. But at the end of the day, just like with the Lakers/Blazers series (which I honestly think that ref was paid off in game 6, but thats a different story/thread....) the Mavs had a chance to come back and win the series. They just didnt step their games up.

          I dont know much about hot sauce, I admit I am not a big street ball fan, but I have watched a few of his tapes just as a sample for one of my business plans in school last year. He may be a better handler, but I dont think hes quicker. But thats all moot. I see your point, but I still dont agree. Wade has that amazing ability to finish in the paint, even when he is fouled/hacked.

          And I absolutely DO believe that Stern has a hand in determining which players receive the "stars treatment" and which ones don't.
          Im not sure I agree with that, but its a interesting proposal.

          I refuse to see how any knowledgable NBA fan could argue that its integrity is constantly forsaken by obvious "star" traetment that certain players get.
          You and I agree 110% on this one. I actually brought it up to Mr.Boyle in a thread a couple of days ago (maybe weeks?) but I think the star treatment of the NBA has become a joke. It is almost like they care more about the business side then they do about just calling a basketball game. I would love to see them go away from star treatment, and while they claim they are getting away from it, I have yet to see it.

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          • #20
            Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

            Originally posted by vapacersfan
            Its all good man. I love having conversation, and part of what makes this place great is that we dont always agree with each other.

            I never said I thought people were hating, or anything like that, and I never meant to imply that in any of my posts. I'm just tired of people cutting them down and acting like the refs gave the series to the Heat.

            I realize the refs suck/sucked. But at the end of the day, just like with the Lakers/Blazers series (which I honestly think that ref was paid off in game 6, but thats a different story/thread....) the Mavs had a chance to come back and win the series. They just didnt step their games up.

            I dont know much about hot sauce, I admit I am not a big street ball fan, but I have watched a few of his tapes just as a sample for one of my business plans in school last year. He may be a better handler, but I dont think hes quicker. But thats all moot. I see your point, but I still dont agree. Wade has that amazing ability to finish in the paint, even when he is fouled/hacked.


            Im not sure I agree with that, but its a interesting proposal.


            You and I agree 110% on this one. I actually brought it up to Mr.Boyle in a thread a couple of days ago (maybe weeks?) but I think the star treatment of the NBA has become a joke. It is almost like they care more about the business side then they do about just calling a basketball game. I would love to see them go away from star treatment, and while they claim they are getting away from it, I have yet to see it.
            Nah, it's all good man. I just have trouble seeing how people can watch the same thing I watch and yet see it so differently. I went into Game 6 with a fresh mind, but made a point to watch all of the calls for Wade to see how many of them were legit. The first two fouls never happened. He wasn't even touched. The third foul was a touch foul on his wrist (which didn't affect the shot) as he was falling away from the basket. That wasn't an "attacking the basket" call. The fourth foul, once again, he wasn't touched on. And then, of course, was the worst foul of all, the last one where he elbowed Dirk, and it was obvious to pretty much everyone but the refs. He was legitimately fouled on the other calls, though some were iffy.

            I'm just in absolute awe that the NBA can give such obvious preferential treatment to star players for years and years and nothing is done about it. It only gets worse and more obvious every year, and for me anyway, it's ruining the game. I accept that officials miss calls from time to time, but **** like that is ridiculous and unacceptable.

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            • #21
              Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

              Originally posted by Shade
              Nah, it's all good man. I just have trouble seeing how people can watch the same thing I watch and yet see it so differently. I went into Game 6 with a fresh mind, but made a point to watch all of the calls for Wade to see how many of them were legit. The first two fouls never happened. He wasn't even touched. The third foul was a touch foul on his wrist (which didn't affect the shot) as he was falling away from the basket. That wasn't an "attacking the basket" call. The fourth foul, once again, he wasn't touched on. And then, of course, was the worst foul of all, the last one where he elbowed Dirk, and it was obvious to pretty much everyone but the refs.

              I'm just in absolute awe that the NBA can give such obvious preferential treatment to star players for years and years and nothing is done about it. It only gets worse and more obvious every year, and for me anyway, it's ruining the game. I accept that officials miss calls from time to time, but **** like that is ridiculous and unacceptable.
              I agree. Or how about the last play of game 6?! Even I called foul on that, and I hate to see a foul end a game.

              I agree, and the funny part is Stu or whatever the hell his name is keeps coming out and saying there is no star treatment, and the refs are making changes....blah blah blah.

              I have slowly lost interest in the NBA over the years, and I can see where you, and others, are coming from.

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              • #22
                Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

                Originally posted by vapacersfan
                I agree. Or how about the last play of game 6?! Even I called foul on that, and I hate to see a foul end a game.

                I agree, and the funny part is Stu or whatever the hell his name is keeps coming out and saying there is no star treatment, and the refs are making changes....blah blah blah.

                I have slowly lost interest in the NBA over the years, and I can see where you, and others, are coming from.
                That's all I'm saying. I like Wade, but the calls he gets are slowly starting to make me NOT like him. Because every time he complains about a call from here on out, I'm going to want to smack him, because it would be horribly hypocritical.

                The referees are a MAJOR problem in the NBA. And Stern can sit there with his smug smile and deny it all he wants, but he knows it's true.

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                • #23
                  Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

                  Stern has decided the refs are not a problem, and that is the final decision.

                  Stern is quoted as saying "It was a 1-0 decision"

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                  • #24
                    Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

                    Originally posted by Shade
                    I'm just in absolute awe that the NBA can give such obvious preferential treatment to star players for years and years and nothing is done about it. It only gets worse and more obvious every year, and for me anyway, it's ruining the game. I accept that officials miss calls from time to time, but **** like that is ridiculous and unacceptable.
                    Imo, this year, the best example of it was Lebron walking up to 5 steps before hitting the game winner.
                    I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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                    • #25
                      Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

                      The officiating wasn't terrible like in the Superbowl, but towards the end of the game you can call a game winning foul over a brush on the arm when they haven't been calling them all night.

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                      • #26
                        Re: The Truth About Wade and His Free Throw Attempts

                        Originally posted by BoomBaby31
                        The officiating wasn't terrible like in the Superbowl, but towards the end of the game you can call a game winning foul over a brush on the arm when they haven't been calling them all night.
                        That is the point Shade was trying to make. They had been calling them all night, just not for allas.

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