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  • What's wrong with American Sports?

    What's wrong with American Sports? Two words:
    Commercial Advertising.

    I can't even begin to count how many commercials there are before, during and after the game. Even when they come back from a commercial break, they fake you out by ramming a few more commercials into your brain. It's disgusting. It's down right sick and pathetic. I can barely even watch tv anymore because I'm sick to death of being sold crap that I don't want or need. I'm sick to death of being told that crappy beer is good, or that if I buy Nike products I'm going to be somebody. In fact, commercials have the opposite affect on me. The more adverstising I see for a product, the more turned off I am by it.

    Now, if you want to see how it should be done, then watch the World Cup. No breaks, no time outs, no official time outs, no Bull$heite, just true, pure, sport for sports sake.

    Hey, while I'm at it, I was thinking, maybe we should petition the NBA to rename the teams after corporations? Why not? The arenas and stadiums are all named by Corps, so why not the teams? Let's change the Pacer's from Indiana to the Conseco Pacers! Yeah, the Nike Heat, The Bank of America Mavericks!

    :thepacers
    No Linking to your own site if it sells something.

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    Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

    Well, I'll go one better.

    Many alcohol and tobacco companies put their advertisements on the boards that are directly behind the camera angles that are used in baseball. So when a pitcher is shown leaning over waiting for his sign from the catcher, there is a big Marlboro banner in full view behind him. Do you think that's an accident coming from a company that can't legally buy commercial air time?

    [edit] hmm....after searching Getty images and not finding a single instance of what I described here, I did a little research. Apparently this year a new rule went into effect as a result of the big tobacco settlement from a few years back that put restrictions on advertising in sports arenas for tobacco companies. The only baseball park that still has tobacco advertising is Toronto. Good. [/edit]

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    • #3
      Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

      Originally posted by NorCal_Pacerfan
      What's wrong with American Sports? Two words:
      Commercial Advertising.

      I can't even begin to count how many commercials there are before, during and after the game. Even when they come back from a commercial break, they fake you out by ramming a few more commercials into your brain. It's disgusting. It's down right sick and pathetic. I can barely even watch tv anymore because I'm sick to death of being sold crap that I don't want or need. I'm sick to death of being told that crappy beer is good, or that if I buy Nike products I'm going to be somebody. In fact, commercials have the opposite affect on me. The more adverstising I see for a product, the more turned off I am by it.

      Now, if you want to see how it should be done, then watch the World Cup. No breaks, no time outs, no official time outs, no Bull$heite, just true, pure, sport for sports sake.

      Hey, while I'm at it, I was thinking, maybe we should petition the NBA to rename the teams after corporations? Why not? The arenas and stadiums are all named by Corps, so why not the teams? Let's change the Pacer's from Indiana to the Conseco Pacers! Yeah, the Nike Heat, The Bank of America Mavericks!

      If there are no commercials for the world cup on American TV its because they cant sell a spot. I will have to take your word for it because like the rest of America I am not watching.

      You say American sports as if we are the only country to have ads and comercial sponsors for our sports. I would suggest you look into that a little bit more. Have you seen an F1 car? Have you noticed that soccer teams shirts have sponser names ON them.

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        Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

        Ragnar,

        It's hard to put a commercial spot in a game where the only break literally from the game is at half-time.

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          Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

          Originally posted by Ragnar
          If there are no commercials for the world cup on American TV its because they cant sell a spot. I will have to take your word for it because like the rest of America I am not watching.

          You say American sports as if we are the only country to have ads and comercial sponsors for our sports. I would suggest you look into that a little bit more. Have you seen an F1 car? Have you noticed that soccer teams shirts have sponser names ON them.
          There are plenty of advertisers for the World Cup, and there are plenty of Americans watching. The difference is that American sports are molded AROUND commercials (the refs stop the game for commercials). Football, or Soccer, doesn't stop the game to sell you something. The advertisers can sell before, in the middle, and after the game. If you aren't familar with how popular the World Cup is here and abroad, then I don't think you are paying attention. But obviously it isn't as popular here as in the rest of THE WORLD (pretty much).

          Hey, if you like being told how to act, what to think and how to spend your money, that's your prerogative. But I still have the right to voice my disgust about it.
          :thepacers
          No Linking to your own site if it sells something.

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            Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

            What's wrong with American Sports?
            The Miami Heat just won an NBA title.

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            • #7
              Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

              Originally posted by Hicks
              The Miami Heat just won an NBA title.


              And the last two teams to win the Stanley Cup are from Florida and Carolina...
              "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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                Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                Originally posted by Hicks
                The Miami Heat just won an NBA title.
                Add that to the top of my rant, please! Bluaah is all I can think about that.
                :thepacers
                No Linking to your own site if it sells something.

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                  Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                  Originally posted by NorCal_Pacerfan
                  What's wrong with American Sports? Two words:
                  Commercial Advertising.

                  I can't even begin to count how many commercials there are before, during and after the game. Even when they come back from a commercial break, they fake you out by ramming a few more commercials into your brain. It's disgusting. It's down right sick and pathetic. I can barely even watch tv anymore because I'm sick to death of being sold crap that I don't want or need. I'm sick to death of being told that crappy beer is good, or that if I buy Nike products I'm going to be somebody. In fact, commercials have the opposite affect on me. The more adverstising I see for a product, the more turned off I am by it.

                  Now, if you want to see how it should be done, then watch the World Cup. No breaks, no time outs, no official time outs, no Bull$heite, just true, pure, sport for sports sake.

                  Hey, while I'm at it, I was thinking, maybe we should petition the NBA to rename the teams after corporations? Why not? The arenas and stadiums are all named by Corps, so why not the teams? Let's change the Pacer's from Indiana to the Conseco Pacers! Yeah, the Nike Heat, The Bank of America Mavericks!

                  This is hilarious. And I mean that in a GOOD way!
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                    Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                    Originally posted by NorCal_Pacerfan
                    Hey, while I'm at it, I was thinking, maybe we should petition the NBA to rename the teams after corporations? Why not? The arenas and stadiums are all named by Corps, so why not the teams? Let's change the Pacer's from Indiana to the Conseco Pacers! Yeah, the Nike Heat, The Bank of America Mavericks!

                    Uh, I think that's already been brought up. I seem to remember some thread talking about how they'd eventually put ads on the jerseys.

                    Do I think there are too many commercials during sporting events? Of course. Do I think there are too many commercials during movies on TV? yes. It is the way it is and there isn't a whole lot any of us can do about it.

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                      Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                      Originally posted by grace
                      Uh, I think that's already been brought up. I seem to remember some thread talking about how they'd eventually put ads on the jerseys.

                      Do I think there are too many commercials during sporting events? Of course. Do I think there are too many commercials during movies on TV? yes. It is the way it is and there isn't a whole lot any of us can do about it.
                      Well, when it comes to watching live sports on TV, you're right, there isn't much we can do about it (besides mute or change the channel). As for movies on tv, I record them all to my computer before I watch and then I can skip through the commercials.
                      :thepacers
                      No Linking to your own site if it sells something.

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                        Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                        Originally posted by NorCal_Pacerfan
                        What's wrong with American Sports? Two words:
                        Commercial Advertising.

                        I can't even begin to count how many commercials there are before, during and after the game. Even when they come back from a commercial break, they fake you out by ramming a few more commercials into your brain. It's disgusting. It's down right sick and pathetic. I can barely even watch TV anymore because I'm sick to death of being sold crap that I don't want or need. I'm sick to death of being told that crappy beer is good, or that if I buy Nike products I'm going to be somebody. In fact, commercials have the opposite affect on me. The more advertising I see for a product, the more turned off I am by it.

                        Now, if you want to see how it should be done, then watch the World Cup. No breaks, no time outs, no official time outs, no Bull$heite, just true, pure, sport for sports sake.

                        Hey, while I'm at it, I was thinking, maybe we should petition the NBA to rename the teams after corporations? Why not? The arenas and stadiums are all named by Corps, so why not the teams? Let's change the Pacer's from Indiana to the Conseco Pacers! Yeah, the Nike Heat, The Bank of America Mavericks!

                        It's not the advertisements directly it's the indirect effects of advertisement because they generate so much money the NBA, NFL is no longer a sport it's a money hungry business. American players are the worst (not athletism) morally, greedy, whining etc.. Some of these guys are 30+ and have to be told how to dress for goodness sakes. We have multimillion dollar players that demand trades, will simply not play or play only to half of their ability. If they don't get traded to where they want, they throw some irrelevant remark or (as before) won't play. I'm not knocking America just solely talking about our sports being filled with a bunch of unappreciative *******s.
                        Other countries don't have this problem Example, we try so hard to recruit superstar Soccer players to gain popularity here in America the mega stars won't do it because they love the sport. The L.A MLS team literally offered David Beckham 3 times his salary 32 million a year to play here and he didn't if budge. There isn't one N.B.A that wouldn't stab his whole team in the back, his family etc.. and split for that type of cash. It's refreshing to watch the world cup; hear the supporters in the crowd chant their national anthem, pray, cry, shake and shiver. Then when the players score they are so filled with joy I've had tears in my eyes twice during this world cup because it was so touching. One imperticular was during an Iran game after a goal was scored the guy just fell do his knees, got all tear eyed, started to pray, and hugged everyone around him it was awesome. Here in America if people started praying or chanting the national anthem while another country was present it would be disrespectful and made a huge "controversy" by our media. I love sports but, they are 100% going down hill quickly. I think America wants more "pure" sports and this is why NASCAR is gaining so many more watchers every year because they don't have to deal with these situations. They pray before most races, and it's a pretty blue collar comfortable feeling sport. I don't love NASCAR as a sport but, I love NASCAR for what it stands for (if that makes since). Soccer will gain popularity, sooner or later be nice a pure first then go down hill rapidly just like the NBA and NFL.

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                          Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                          Originally posted by BoomBaby31
                          It's not the advertisements directly it's the indirect effects of advertisement because they generate so much money the NBA, NFL is no longer a sport it's a money hungry business. American players are the worst (not athletism) morally, greedy, whining etc.. Some of these guys are 30+ and have to be told how to dress for goodness sakes. We have multimillion dollar players that demand trades, will simply not play or play only to half of their ability. If they don't get traded to where they want, they throw some irrelevant remark or (as before) won't play. I'm not knocking America just solely talking about our sports being filled with a bunch of unappreciative *******s.
                          Other countries don't have this problem Example, we try so hard to recruit superstar Soccer players to gain popularity here in America the mega stars won't do it because they love the sport. The L.A MLS team literally offered David Beckham 3 times his salary 32 million a year to play here and he didn't if budge. There isn't one N.B.A that wouldn't stab his whole team in the back, his family etc.. and split for that type of cash. It's refreshing to watch the world cup; hear the supporters in the crowd chant their national anthem, pray, cry, shake and shiver. Then when the players score they are so filled with joy I've had tears in my eyes twice during this world cup because it was so touching. One imperticular was during an Iran game after a goal was scored the guy just fell do his knees, got all tear eyed, started to pray, and hugged everyone around him it was awesome. Here in America if people started praying or chanting the national anthem while another country was present it would be disrespectful and made a huge "controversy" by our media. I love sports but, they are 100% going down hill quickly. I think America wants more "pure" sports and this is why NASCAR is gaining so many more watchers every year because they don't have to deal with these situations. They pray before most races, and it's a pretty blue collar comfortable feeling sport. I don't love NASCAR as a sport but, I love NASCAR for what it stands for (if that makes since). Soccer will gain popularity, sooner or later be nice a pure first then go down hill rapidly just like the NBA and NFL.


                          quoted for truth...

                          the love of the game, the passion isnt half of what it used to/should be

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                            Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                            Originally posted by NorCal_Pacerfan
                            What's wrong with American Sports? Two words:
                            Commercial Advertising.
                            that has little to do with sports. same logics apply to politics (especially in US, imho, and more and more so all around the civilised world) as well as culture, arts, leisure, etc. and advertising, obviously, does wonders for the ones advertising, in any field. we could discuss if that is actually benneficial for the consumer (advertising costs HUGE money, which goes into the price of advertised goods or services though it creaties income for other industries or services, which live on advertising), but this is OT and totally pointless, imho.

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                              Re: What's wrong with American Sports?

                              BoomBaby31 - thank you, good post. I'm feelin' it.

                              I just want to say that if you haven't yet, watch a good match of World Cup play and you can enjoy a full half of pure sport, with the crowd into the game and it's just a nice relief not to be bombarded with ads.

                              Trust me, too many commercials make you soft where you should be strong - in your head.
                              :thepacers
                              No Linking to your own site if it sells something.

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