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  • #1

    Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2491783

    Cuban airs grievances over Game 5 officiating

    ESPN.com news services





    DALLAS -- By the time Mark Cuban arrived in the Dallas Mavericks' locker room, he'd already peeled off the Jerry Stackhouse jersey he had been wearing in support of his suspended forward.

    The symbolism was fitting: Stackhouse's hard foul in Game 4 of the NBA Finals was old news. The way Game 5 finished, Cuban had a whole new fight on his hands.

    Cuban was irate over what he considered a series of officiating breakdowns at the end of Dallas' 101-100 overtime loss to the Miami Heat on Sunday night. The loss left the Mavericks trailing the series 3-2 and facing elimination going into Game 6 in Dallas on Tuesday night.

    When time ran out in Game 5, Cuban ran onto the court to vent at official Joe DeRosa, then stared down and screamed toward commissioner David Stern and a group of league officials, from the court, then the stands.

    Cuban was still boiling about a half-hour later during a testy interview with reporters.

    He wrote a blog entry Monday explaining why he used profanity during a response to a question about whether this was the worst loss he'd endured.

    "The reality is that it would be a waste of both of our time if I gave him the 'This was a tough one' answer, and a waste of my time to really think about it, particularly given there were 10 other reporters wanting to ask questions and we had a bus to catch," Cuban wrote.

    His mind-set is perhaps better explained in a posting left a few minutes before titled, "Right is its own defense."

    Cuban wrote about applying that catchphrase -- which he picked up from an old T-shirt -- to a business venture he's pursuing. He added that the slogan applies to the way he runs the Mavericks.

    "I'm going to do what I think is right. Period end of story," he wrote. "You may not like that I want the officiating in the NBA to get better. I think it's the right thing to do."

    NBA executives often praise Cuban for his passion, work ethic and high standards, even toward officiating.

    It's his approach they're not always fond of, which is why he's been fined more than $1.2 million since buying the team in January 2000. That includes a $200,000 tab this postseason.

    A league spokesman said Monday that Stu Jackson, the NBA disciplinarian, was not at Game 5 and had not reviewed what happened. Even if a punishment is assessed against Cuban, the league doesn't have to announce it.

    Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks.

    One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game.

    As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials.

    Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.

    Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.

    Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor.

    "I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."

    An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.

    "My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.

    But the NBA pointed out Monday that there was no violation on the play, citing a rule that allows a player to go into the backcourt to receive an inbound pass during the last two minutes of the fourth quarter or any overtime period.

    Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.

    "Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."

    Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws.

    "I don't know," Cuban said of the discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...s_on_reporter/

    Howard Denies Calling Timeout Twice, Erupts On Reporter

    19th June, 2006 - 1:14 pm

    ESPN.com - In a post-game interview with ESPN, a heated Josh Howard denied calling timeout twice before refs charged the team with their final timeout, potentially costing them the game.

    "If that's what he's saying, that's what he's saying. I know I didn't call a timeout twice. I didn't even say nothing to anyone. I just made a sign like that." [Howard places his hands in the shape of a 'T'] - Howard told ESPN's Daily Dime.

    Howard eventually lost his cool and erupted on the reporter.

    "What am I saying to you right now, dog? Please, don't come off on me right now because I'm going to come off on you, and I'm not in a great mood right now. Get out of my face, man. Get out of my face."
    There is no way in hell Dallas will win this series now. Stern's ego is much to great to allow Cuban to win a title.
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    Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

    Originally posted by Shade
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...ory?id=2491783



    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...s_on_reporter/



    There is no way in hell Dallas will win this series now. Stern's ego is much to great to allow Cuban to win a title.
    Yep. Too bad.
    Super Bowl XLI Champions
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    • #3
      Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

      I would be losing it too. The Mavs have worked to hard, to take it up the rears like they are right now. I hope Cuban wears a ******* Stern T-shirt to game 6. I would cry.


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      • #4
        Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

        Stern is laying the smackdown on Cubes on Best Damn

        http://www.spursreport.com/forums/sh...232#post950232
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • #5
          Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

          If Dallas doesn't win the series, it's their own damn fault.

          They flat out blew the last game. Everyone on the planet with even half a brain knew that Wade would never relinquish the ball late in Q4 and the overtime. I mean, come on. On one occassion, Wade even called a timeout with 7 seconds left on the shot clock after picking up his dribble rather than passing off to a teammate then getting the ball back. That basically spells out that Wade was going to be both selfish with the ball and not trusting of his teammates.

          What was it going to take for Dallas to double team Wade everywhere he went on the floor? If I were Avery, Wade would have faced an immediate double team/trap as soon as he dribbled across the midcourt line. I would have forced him to pass the ball and for another player to make the play. With Wade covered, the ball would have eventually been swung to Shaq, who should have then drawn an immediate foul everytime the ball was in his possession.

          Dallas did not lose this game... and it was not "taken" from them. They gave it away.

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          • #6
            Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

            well you know what i think. i think the pacers were screwed horrible the only finals we've ever been lucky enough to be in. i think the mavs are getting screwed like hell. i can be a little crazy, so i wonder what some of our other members that keep cool better than i think. i hate walker and i lovge the jet, so i want dallas to win. i do think that pro sports is a little shaky now on the ref side of things. i have felt this way a minute on the nba. did you think the pacers
            would actually beat the bulls and go to the finals over mj? never... stern and his team just wouldn't let tiny indy take out the great jordan.
            nba rigged? i dont know, but i think even the most level headed members here at PD have to at least ponder.
            1 - 2, Tinsley's coming for you.
            3 - 4, You're not a team no more.
            5 - 6, He's gonna plead the 5th.
            7 - 8, He's gonna stay out late.


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            • #7
              Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

              Originally posted by beast23
              If Dallas doesn't win the series, it's their own damn fault.

              They flat out blew the last game. Everyone on the planet with even half a brain knew that Wade would never relinquish the ball late in Q4 and the overtime. I mean, come on. On one occassion, Wade even called a timeout with 7 seconds left on the shot clock after picking up his dribble rather than passing off to a teammate then getting the ball back. That basically spells out that Wade was going to be both selfish with the ball and not trusting of his teammates.

              What was it going to take for Dallas to double team Wade everywhere he went on the floor? If I were Avery, Wade would have faced an immediate double team/trap as soon as he dribbled across the midcourt line. I would have forced him to pass the ball and for another player to make the play. With Wade covered, the ball would have eventually been swung to Shaq, who should have then drawn an immediate foul everytime the ball was in his possession.

              Dallas did not lose this game... and it was not "taken" from them. They gave it away.
              QFT

              Dallas choked it away. If they don't win, it'll be lost on the FT line by two Nowitzki clunks in the closing seconds that would've won Game 3, and Game 5. That's all there is to it. Howard's ghost timeout would have never been called, Cubans profanity laced tyraid never happens, and Miami leaves its first Finals appearance empty handed.
              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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              • #8
                Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                What? Cubans team losing a game and he goes ape****. Never thought I'd see that.

                This is what you get for being a jumpshooting team as opposed to a slashing team.

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                • #9
                  Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                  The Mavs choked away 2 wins in 3 games at Miami. The series should be over by now. Dallas needs to realize this and proceed as such in the final games. I do believe the Mavs are the better team and despite what transpired in Miami, I feel they will win the series at home. But they need to take some personal responsibility and accountability.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                    Is Stern gettin a ring for this 2?
                    STARBURY

                    08 and Beyond

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                      Cuban is a whiner. It gets old.

                      There is no conspiracy.
                      "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                      "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                        Originally posted by Arcadian
                        Cuban is a whiner. It gets old.

                        There is no conspiracy.
                        you can't be serious???
                        STARBURY

                        08 and Beyond

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                          Yeah, I am serious. I also believe that the moon landing was real. But then maybe I'm the gulible type.
                          "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

                          "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."

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                          • #14
                            Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                            Originally posted by Robertmto
                            you can't be serious???

                            Come on, are you still maintaining that there was no foul on Wade on the last play?

                            The Mavs were perfect from the line, and then screwed themselves with missed FT at the end. That's why they lost.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cuban and Howard are going apespit!

                              Originally posted by Pingu
                              Come on, are you still maintaining that there was no foul on Wade on the last play?

                              The Mavs were perfect from the line, and then screwed themselves with missed FT at the end. That's why they lost.
                              Sure Devin Harris fouled him but there has been way too many bad calls goin Miami's way. And Stack did not, I repeat did not deserve to be suspended.
                              STARBURY

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