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    Rip Hamilton is an elite athlete. He is also widely considered the best conditioned athlete in the NBA. JJ Reddick is slow, not very strong and has poor lateral movement. These are facts.

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    And if we're gonna compare unproven college players to Hall of Famers, maybe Killingswort is the next Charles Barkley. Both are regarded as undersized power forwards. C'mon. Maybe your Reggie/JJ argument is convenient, but we all know that JJ is not getting to Miller's level, so it is moot.

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    Redick is going to be a very good nba player. If the Pacers could steal him at 17 then they would be lucky two years in a row.

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    Redick is going to be a very good nba player. If the Pacers could steal him at 17 then they would be lucky two years in a row.
    JJ will be a decent shooter, but he will be torched on the defensive end of the floor.

    JJ is not Reggie.

    Rip is amazing.

    Killingsworth will be a solid NBDL player, not so much in the league.

    Killingsworth is not Barkley.
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    Here's an analysis of the pre-draft measurements from DraftExpress:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1349

    One notable observation:

    "At 6'3¼" Redick had the smallest arms in relation to height in camp. He was the only person who measured out shorter on his wingspan than on his height [6'4"] without shoes."
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    haha...this is always funny

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    Maybe your Reggie/JJ argument is convenient, but we all know that JJ is not getting to Miller's level, so it is moot.
    When Miller was drafted he wasn't expected to get to Miller's level either.

    The fact is, nobody knows for sure. The kid has talent its a matter of how much heart & desire he has. He made improvements in his game from his junior to his senior year, so he can get better.

    I'd be willing to take the chance.

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    I could see Redick becoming another Michael Redd. Not a great overall player, not a good defender, but an outstanding shooter and scorer capable of scoring 20 a game.

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    JJ will be a decent shooter, but he will be torched on the defensive end of the floor.

    Again there are many two guards in the NBA who can't defend, won't defend and have know desire to defend.With the exception of Granger ,looking at the Pacers perimeter defense last year JJ would fit right in.


    If Reddick can score I guarantee he'll find a home with some team and if he's every bit as dominant a shooter as he was in college he'll be a starter for some team reguardless of his inability to defend.

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    I could see Redick becoming another Michael Redd. Not a great overall player, not a good defender, but an outstanding shooter and scorer capable of scoring 20 a game.
    Umm....Michael Redd was known as a defensive player in the Big Ten. It was his defense that got him drafted. His amazing shooting ability was an upside. He ranks seventh all time in steals at Ohio State an dhe only played three years. He led the Buckeyes in steals every year he played.
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    Predraft Measurement Breakdown

    By Aran Smith

    6/19/06


    Official Player Measurements

    With basketball, length is obviously an extremely important factor. A player's ability to get to the rim easily, block shots and grab rebounds as well as close passing lanes can be the difference of inches. Here's a look at some of the winners and losers from the measurements released by the league. (Keep in mind NBA players official measurements are with shoes on.)


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    Here is a look at players who have the greatest wingspan in relation to their heights (without shoes):

    Senegal bigman Saer Sene's whopping 7'8.5 wingspan is 10.3% greater than his 6'11" height.

    Allen Ray has the highest discrepancy for a guard with a 6'8.5" wingspan, which is 10.3% greater than his 6'1" height.

    Ray has the size of a player 2-3 inches bigger. For instance, Ray's standing reach (8'3.5") is 2 inches greater than 6'4" JJ Redick's (8'1.5").

    Eric Hicks measured 6'4"75 without shoes on, which seems far too short for a power forward. But last year his teammate Jason Maxiell measured just 6'5" without shoes on and turned a strong predraft camp performance into a late first round selection.

    Hicks (7'1".5) wingspan is 10.2% greater than his height (6'4.75")and a 8'9".5 standing reach. (which is an inch and a half more than Shelden WIlliams' 8'8" standing reach).

    Like Maxiell, Hicks is a tough nosed warrior and his huge wingspan helps to make up for his lack of height. (Maxiell's is 7'3".5).

    Eric Williams and Shelden Williams have virtually the same dimensions (Shelden: 6'7.5" and a 7'4.25" wing) to (Eric: 6'7.25 and 7'4.25" wing), but somehow Eric has a 2.5 inch standing reach (8'10.5") advantage. Shelden Williams' (8'8") standing reach seems very low. Either it's a product of a very long neck, or the standing reach measurement was off.

    Eric Williams'
    9 inch wingspan differential is 10.2% greater than his height.

    Shelden Williams'
    wingspan is 9.92 % greater than his height.

    Will Blalock's 6'6" wingspan, which is 9.9% greater than his 5'11.25" height.

    Marco Killingsworth's 7'3"wingspan is 9.8% greater than his 6'5.5"height.

    Rudy Gay's immense 7'3" wingspan is 9.2% greater than his 6'7" height.

    Tyrus Thomas 7'3" wingspan is 8.9% greater than his 6'7.25 height, but his standing reach is actually .5" greater than Gay's.

    Renaldo Balkman registered a 7'1" wingspan 9.1% greater than his 6'5.25" height.

    Patrick O'Bryant registered a 7'5.75" wingspan 7.5% greater than his 6'11" height.

    Other players registering impressive wingspans included: LaMarcus Aldridge (7'4.75"), Hilton Armstrong (7'4") Solomon Jones (7'4.75"), Antwayne Robinson (7'2.5"), Paul Millsap (7'1.25"), Ronnie Brewer (6'11.25")



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    Out of all the players measured, JJ Redick was the only one to measure a wingspan (6'3.25) lower than his height (6'4"). Redick's wingspan is 1% smaller than his height.

    Gerry McNamarra's 6'0.75" wingspan is just 1.4% greater than his 5'11.75" height.

    Steve Novak registered a 6'9.5" wingspan, 1.8% greater than his 6'8" height.

    Jordan Farmar registered a 6'3" wingspan, 3% greater than his 6'0.75" height.

    Brandon Roy registered a a 6'8" wingspan, 3.6% greater than his 6'5.25" height.


    Body Fat

    Workout fanatic Taquan Dean came in with just 3.9% body fat.

    Jordan Farmar was also impressive with just 4.4% body fat.

    Renaldo Balkman had just 4.9% body fat.

    Ronnie Brewer
    was just 5.0% body fat.

    Marco Killingsworth had an alarming 19.0% body fat.

    Rashad Anderson's 17.3 percent body fat was by far the most for guards, and attubuted to the infection he had last season.

    Yemi Nicholson's 17.2% body fat came in a close second.

    Ian Voyoukas 14.8% body fat was apparent in Orlando as well.


    Other Surprises

    NBADraft.net had erroneously eyeballed Brandon Roy as 6'5" during the season. He ended up measuring 6'5.25" without shoes making him a solid 6'6".

    Pops Mensah-Bonsu checked in taller than expected at 6'7.5" making him a legit 6'9" (in shoes).

    Aaron Gray
    was taller than expected at 7'0" without shoes.

    Also checking in with a positive height was Jordan Farmar with a solid 6'0.75" meaning he's a small 6'2" with shoes on.

    Renaldo Balkman's
    height was just 6'5.25" meaning he's just 6'6", but his huge wingspan allows him to play bigger.


    Interesting to note,
    Torin Francis, Pops Mensah Bonsu, Marcus Slaughter, Steven Smith and Eric Williams all registered .25" taller without shoes from last year.

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    NBADraft.net had erroneously eyeballed Brandon Roy as 6'5" during the season. He ended up measuring 6'5.25" without shoes making him a solid 6'6".
    It's comments like this that make me wanna punch a wall. Seriously, 6'5" or 6'6", who cares?

    As for Reddick, can we pass on him now, please?

    http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341

    Can't play defense, is unatheltic and weak, and he also has back problems that may require surgery at 22 years old. I suggest we let this guy be someone else bust.
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    It's comments like this that make me wanna punch a wall. Seriously, 6'5" or 6'6", who cares?

    As for Reddick, can we pass on him now, please?

    http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341

    Can't play defense, is unatheltic and weak, and he also has back problems that may require surgery at 22 years old. I suggest we let this guy be someone else bust.
    Agreed. Great college player but I've never been able to view him as an impact NBA talent. Perhaps a comparison to Steve Alford is more appropriate given the Reggie, IU, UCLA discussion.

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    When Miller was drafted he wasn't expected to get to Miller's level either.

    The fact is, nobody knows for sure. The kid has talent its a matter of how much heart & desire he has. He made improvements in his game from his junior to his senior year, so he can get better.

    I'd be willing to take the chance.
    Of course we didn't expect the skinny kid with a flat top from UCLA that could shoot to become a bonafide first ballot Hall of Famer. We got lucky. No one (maybe Donnie Walsh saw something incredible here, but I'd imagine even he'd tell you he didn't expect this) knew we were getting Reggie Miller when we drafted Reggie Miller, if that makes sense. It's like putting all your money on 26 on a roulette wheel and hitting 26. With the Miller pick, we hit the jackpot.

    Could that happen with Reddick? Against my better judgement, I'll say possibly. But you don't gamble a 1st Round pick on a 1-36 odds when there are definite impact players like Hilton Armstrong, Ronnie Brewer and Maurice Ager still available.

    Using examples like "Reggie was unathletic and a good shooter" to argue that Reddick might turn out that way is a pretty far stretch, IMO. It has about as much weight to it as me saying "Let's take Saer Sene. Sure he's some dude from Africa I've never seen play. But before he went to play at U of Houston, Hakeem was some dude from Africa no one had seen play either."
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    http://nbadraft.net/2006campmeasurements002.asp

    Player Rank /No step vertical/ Max vertical/ Benchpress/ Lane agility/ Sprint
    J.J. Redick 51 27.5 33 6 10.94 3.29


    As we reported earlier, Redick tested better than you'd think in just about every category except strength. He is by no means a great athlete, but he's not a bad one, either.
    I've been gone since last Friday, but I'd like to throw this in here from another thread.

    I REALLY took notice to the 3/4 court sprint. His time BEAT Rudy Gay's, and was slightly slower than Mardy Collins, Randy Foye, Shawne Williams, and Maurice Ager (who he also was right next to in verticles).

    His lane agility test was only beaten by 3 players, who are considered the top, as well. Those being Rodney Carney (10.57), Foye (10.53), Shawne Williams (10.69).

    And if his back is as bad as they're reporting, all that is even more impressive being so banged up. Wouldn't you agree?

    The injury is really the only question mark I have about what kind of player he's going to be.

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