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    Draftexpress.com - Early this morning, draftexpress.com released the NBA Pre-Draft Camp's heights and weights. 14th June, 2006 - 2:06 am

    Some surprises were Rodney Carney measuring at 6'5" with shoes and LaMarcus Aldridge weighing less than 240 pounds


    NBA Pre-Draft Camp Heights and Weights
    PlayerHeight w/out shoesHeight w/shoesWeight
    Kenny Adeleke6' 6.5''6' 7.75''250
    Maurice Ager6' 3.25''6' 4.5''203
    LaMarcus Aldridge6' 10''6' 11.25''234
    Morris Almond6' 4.75''6' 6''214
    Louis Amundson6' 7.2''6' 8''221
    Rashad Anderson6' 3.25''6' 4.5''224
    Hilton Armstrong6'9.5''6'10.25''240
    James Augustine6' 8.25''6' 9.75''227
    Renaldo Balkman6' 5.25''6' 6.5''206
    J.P. Batista6' 7.5''6' 8.5''265
    Will Blalock5' 11.25''6' 0.5''194
    Brandon Bowman6'6.75''6' 8.25''209
    Ronnie Brewer6' 5.75''6' 6.75''223
    Bobby Brown5' 11.75''6'0.75''165
    Denham Brown6' 4''6' 5''218
    Brad Buckman6' 7.25''6' 8.75''238
    Nik Caner-Medley6' 6.5''6' 8''234
    Rodney Carney6' 4.5''6' 5.75''204
    Keydren Clark5' 9''5' 10.25''184
    Mardy Collins6' 4.25''6' 5.5''224
    Taquan Dean6' 2''6' 3''183
    Terence Dials6' 7.75''6' 9''253
    Sean Dockery6' 0.75''6' 2''182
    Jordan Farmar6' 0.75''6' 2''171
    Randy Foye6' 2.25''6' 3.25''212
    Torin Francis6' 8.5''6' 10''247
    Rudy Gay6' 7''6' 8''222
    Nick George6' 4''6' 5.75''201
    Aaron Gray7' 0''7' 1''280
    Taj Gray6' 7.25''6' 8.5''231
    Dan Grunfeld6' 4.75''6' 6''216
    Matt Haryasz6' 9.75''6' 11''219
    Eric Hicks6' 4.75''6' 5.5''238
    Tedric Hill6' 7.75''6' 9''236
    Daniel Horton6' 0.5''6' 2.25''198
    Bobby Jones6' 5.75''6' 6.75''211
    Solomon Jones6' 8.5''6' 9.75''224
    Coby Karl6' 3.5''6' 4.5''209
    Viktor Keirou6' 5.25''6' 6''202
    Marco Killingsworth6' 5.5''6' 6.75''266
    Tarence Kinsey6' 4.75''6' 5.5''179
    Carl Krauser5' 11.75''6' 0.75''190
    Chris McCray6' 3''6' 4''187
    Gerry McNamara5' 11.75''6' 0.5''177
    Pops Mensah-Bonsu6' 7.5''6' 9''232
    Paul Miller6' 8.5''6' 9.25''251
    Paul Millsap6' 6.25''6' 7.25''258
    Dwayne Mitchell6' 2''6' 3.25''208
    Adam Morrison6' 6.5''6' 7.75''198
    Brad Newley6' 5''6' 6.25''198
    Yemi Nicholson6' 7.75''6' 9.5''258
    David Noel6' 4.5''6' 6''223
    Steve Novak6' 8''6' 9.25''216
    Patrick O'Bryant6' 11''7' 0''249
    Danilo Pinnock6' 2.75''6' 4''204
    Chris Quinn6'0.5''6'1.5''175
    Allan Ray6' 1''6' 2.25''204
    J.J. Redick6' 4''6' 4.75''190
    Antywane Robinson6' 6.25''6' 7.5''217
    Brandon Roy6' 5.25''6' 6.25''207
    Blake Schilb6' 5.25''6' 6.25''209
    Saer Sene6' 11''7' 0''237
    Mustafa Shakur6' 2.5''6' 3.25''183
    Cedric Simmons6' 8.25''6' 9.5''223
    Marcus Slaughter6' 7''6' 8''220
    Craig Smith6' 5.5''6' 6.5''259
    Steven Smith6' 7.5''6' 9.25''238
    Michael Southall6' 9.5''6' 10.25''241
    Frans Steyn7' 1.25''7' 2.5''280
    Curtis Stinson6' 1.75''6' 2.75''208
    Tyrus Thomas6' 7.25''6' 8.25''217
    Joah Tucker6' 3.75''6' 5.25''224
    Ian Vouyoukas6' 8.5''6' 9.5''267
    Darius Washington Jr.5' 11.5''6' 1''195
    CJ Watson6' 0.5''6' 1.75''171
    Eric Williams6' 7.25''6' 8.75''285
    Justin Williams6' 7.25''6' 8.75''211
    Marcus Williams6' 2''6' 3.25''215
    Shawne Williams6' 7.25''6' 8.75''227
    Shelden Williams6' 7.5''6' 8.5''258
    Curtis Withers6' 6''6' 6.5''227
    Average:6' 5.32''6' 6.48''219.68
    Maximum:7' 1.25''7' 2.5''285
    Mininum:5' 9''5' 10.25''165

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    Brandon Roy is a legit 6'6" with shoes...just saying...

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    Adam Morrison is shorter than I thought, for some reason.

    Height/weight is good and all, but what I'd really like to see are teh wingspan measurements, and maybe their verticals. Is that info available?
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    The Winners And Losers Of Pre-Draft Camp Measurements
    Authored by Aaron Bronsteter - 14th June, 2006 - 2:33 am


    Every year, NBA Draft fanatics hold their breath in anticipation to see how prospective NBA draftees weigh in at the pre-draft camp. There are those who can single-handedly raise their draft stock simply by being measured as taller than expected or shorter than expected. This year is no different, as impressions of certain players can change with a measuring tape or a scale.

    Recently, DraftExpress posted the results of the pre-draft camp measurements and most of the results were as expected, aside from a few glaring outcomes.

    Winners:

    Ronnie Brewer – Weighing in a 6’7” and 223 pounds, Brewer will be a very unique point forward who should be considered by teams who want to draft a valuable sixth man. Brewer has the ability to play three or even four positions, similar to Boris Diaw. Like Diaw, Brewer is known for his selflessness and court vision.

    Jordan Farmar – Measuring at taller than 6’0” was the hope and the result was 6’2”, which certainly will not hurt the stock of the UCLA standout point guard.

    Randy Foye – If scouts buy into Foye’s viability as a point guard in the NBA, they should be impressed with his size at 6’3” and 212 pounds. Foye is similar in size to Baron Davis or Chauncey Billups, both of whom (mostly Billups) have been successful NBA point guards.

    Patrick O’Bryant – Claims that he’s a project and at a legit 7’0” and 250 pounds, that’s certainly a good start.

    Tyrus Thomas – Many expected that he’d be shorter than advertised and wire thin, but Thomas looks to have added nearly 10 pounds to his frame and measured at around his projected height.

    Shawne Williams – The freshman out of Memphis measured at a smidge under 6’9” and 227 pounds, which shows up as an NBA-ready body on paper.



    Losers:

    LaMarcus Aldridge – Teams would have loved to see him put on a few pounds to prove that he could develop a body suited for the center position. He’s just under a legit 7’0” and under 240 pounds, which indicates that he falls just short of the league’s expectation for centers.

    Rodney Carney – Has always been listed at 6’7” or 6’8” and for him to measure at under 6’6” is a definite blow to his stock. Carney is a great athlete, but how many successful small forwards in the league are under that height? It reminds me of Jarvis Hayes’s measurements a few years back.

    Paul Millsap – For a player with his natural talents, I’m certain that most general managers were hoping that he would reach 6’8”, but Millsap measured below that. Either way, it will be hard for a team that needs rebounding to turn him down.

    Adam Morrison
    – His height was expected, but with his agent recently talking about his desire to gain weight, weighing in at under 200 pounds cannot help his stock, which has recently been soaring. Regardless, Morrison is still the favorite to go at the top pick if the Raptors trade out.


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    2 "big men" lookin too get drafted were hurt by this. JP Batista and Marco Killingsworth.
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    For the record, I think people put waaaaaay too much stock in this nonsense nowadays. Obviously, only Isiah Thomas is going to want a bunch of 6'8 PFs or 6'2" SGs, but there have been a ton of very successful NBA players that don't fit the prototypical mold as far as height and weight are concerned. I really don't understand how wingspan became more important than PPG, APG, RPG, FG% or whatever put up in a major NCAA conference. Length might be the stupiest reason to suggest someone is better than someone else I've ever heard. How are Stromile Swift, Hakim Warrick and Dermarr Johnson working out? For every KG there is an Elton Brand.

    So good luck taking Tyrus Thomas with the #1 pick. What'd he have, two good games and 25827 "good workouts"? I would hope the guy looks good running laps and jumping around in a gym by himself with a 40" vertical and all. Doesn't mean he knows how to play this game. I'll take Aldridge, his 15 ppg and 9 rpg in the Big 12 and his one bad tournament game, thanks. Keep your UPSIDE.

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    Tyrus Thomas = Lorenzen Wright
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    Tyrus Thomas = Lorenzen Wright
    Tyrus Thomas = Stromile Swift

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    Adam Morrison is shorter than I thought, for some reason.

    Height/weight is good and all, but what I'd really like to see are teh wingspan measurements, and maybe their verticals. Is that info available?

    http://www.insidehoops.com/draft-pro...urements.shtml

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    Marco Killingsworth's wingspan will help his stock. It might hurt JP Batista's.
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    Marco Killingsworth's wingspan will help his stock. It might hurt JP Batista's.
    No Kidding , Killingsworth's Wingspan is only 2.75 inches shorter than the 7 footer Patrick O' Bryant and he weighs 17lbs more than O' Bryant

    He is a good guy to trade up for in the second round, and take a flyer on.

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    You wanna talk about length? How about we take Hilton Armstrong? Have you seen that neck? Does anyone know where I can find a neckspan list for this year's draft class? I guarentee Hilton has a solid 12".
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    wow, carney's stock just took a major hit. i thought he was like 6'7" or 6'8".

    he'd be a decent pickup at 17.

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    You wanna talk about length? How about we take Hilton Armstrong? Have you seen that neck? Does anyone know where I can find a neckspan list for this year's draft class? I guarentee Hilton has a solid 12".
    He's 6'10 from the chest down. A solid 8 footer from head to toe!

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    No Kidding , Killingsworth's Wingspan is only 2.75 inches shorter than the 7 footer Patrick O' Bryant and he weighs 17lbs more than O' Bryant

    He is a good guy to trade up for in the second round, and take a flyer on.
    I don't think you would have to trade up to get him. Alot of mockdrafts have him as a bubble second rounder. I think he proved himself in college, especially with that game against Shelden Williams. Also you have to realize that he was the first option @ IU. In the NBA he will be coming off the bench and will not be double teamed. He showed ppl what he can do on the block with 1 defender. He has great footwork, a high bball IQ and its hard for alot of post defenders to stop left handed players. His range will prolly exend to a solid 15 or 17 feet. I'd love to pick this guy up.
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    Look at J.J., near 6'5" in shoes. There goes any talks of him being too short for the SG in the NBA. God I hope he slips to us!

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    Look at J.J., near 6'5" in shoes. There goes any talks of him being too short for the SG in the NBA. God I hope he slips to us!
    The 2 guard is slowly becoming a bigger position 6'5 is slightly below average nowadays.
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    The 2 guard is slowly becoming a bigger position 6'5 is average nowadays.
    Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.

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    Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.
    yea i edited that once i realized that. and i dont think JJ's size was as much the worry as his speed is.
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    Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.
    I never thought he was too short. Just too weak, too slow, too one-dimensional, too poor of a ballhandler, too slow, too bad defensively, too slow.....

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    I never thought he was too short. Just too weak, too slow, too one-dimensional, too poor of a ballhandler, too slow, too bad defensively, too slow.....

    And then there's this:
    www.sportspickle.com/features/volume4/2005-0309-redick.html
    Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

    Pretty impressive résumé if you ask me.

    The list would double if you take into account his HS achievements.


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    Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

    Pretty impressive résumé if you ask me.

    The list would double if you take into account his HS achievements.

    None of those are defensive achievements tho. The guy is horrid playing D, and that was in college. Imagine JJ in the bigger, stronger, and faster NBA.
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    Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

    Pretty impressive résumé if you ask me.

    The list would double if you take into account his HS achievements.


    That would be great news if I was the GM of the Indiana Hoosiers or the UCLA Bruins. Unfortunately, the Pacers play in the NBA where people are very big, very strong and very athletic. Not to say the ACC is a chump league, but it's a very, very different game physically in the League. Do you think we should take Gerry McNamara in the 2nd Round too?

    I think JJ is a really, really good basketball player. But, he just doesn't have the physical tools to be a starter in this league. Now, it's very possible that whoever we take at 17 will never be a starter in this league either, but I'm 99% sure that JJ just doesn't have the genetics to be productive on both ends of the floor for 30 mpg in an 82-game schedule. I'm sure he'll be a great 8th or 9th man for the next decade, but that's just not what we need. I'd rather draft a guy that has at least a 50-50 chance to be larger impact player in our rotation.
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    None of those are defensive achievements tho. The guy is horrid playing D, and that was in college. Imagine JJ in the bigger, stronger, and faster NBA.
    Out of his list of shortcomings, how many were defensive?

    I'll answer my own question, one.

    College basketball doesn't hand out defense awards like the NBA, for starters. Second, there are quite a bit of worse defenders already in the NBA, Saras to name one.

    He actually gets a bad rap for defense. He's not a lock down defender by any means, but he's not a slouch either. He plays above average positional/help side, and he stays in front of his man to stop pentration.

    He's been a four year starter in the best power conference in the NCAA, and has already played against many NBA players, or soon to be NBA players.

    He's never going to make an All-Star team, but he'll be a very good role player.

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    That would be great news if I was the GM of the Indiana Hoosiers or the UCLA Bruins. Unfortunately, the Pacers play in the NBA where people are very big, very strong and very athletic. Not to say the ACC is a chump league, but it's a very, very different game physically in the League. Do you think we should take Gerry McNamara in the 2nd Round too?

    I think JJ is a really, really good basketball player. But, he just doesn't have the physical tools to be a starter in this league. Now, it's very possible that whoever we take at 17 will never be a starter in this league either, but I'm 99% sure that JJ just doesn't have the genetics to be productive on both ends of the floor for 30 mpg in an 82-game schedule. I'm sure he'll be a great 8th or 9th man for the next decade, but that's just not what we need. I'd rather draft a guy that has at least a 50-50 chance to be larger impact player in our rotation.

    I guess you weren't a very big Reggie fan either then.

    And comparing Gerry M to JJ is laughable.

    Two very different players, playing two very different styles, at two different positions.

    A good shooter who is consistant is what the Pacers need, and JJ is just that. I don't know how in the world you can say he isn't what the team needs. I guess you're comfortable with SJax shooting sub 40% followed by Fred shooting just over that coming off the bench.

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    I guess you weren't a very big Reggie fan either then.
    This isn't 1988 anymore. Craig Ehlo wouldn't start for an NBA team today either. And Reg is a big 6'7" and was twice the athlete JJ is. And we all know Reggie's game was far from typical--if JJ has 1/4th or Reg's savvy, bigshotability (it's a word) or sense of the moment, I'd be impressed.

    Also, please try to refrain from comparing JJ Reddick to Reggie Miller in the same post where you're calling my comparisons laughable.

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    He's been a four year starter in the 2nd best power conference in the NCAA, and has already played against many NBA players, or soon to be NBA players.
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    Killingsworth 6"5 1/2! No wonder he had so much trouble playing defensive post last year.

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    This isn't 1988 anymore. Craig Ehlo wouldn't start for an NBA team today either. And Reg is a big 6'7" and was twice the athlete JJ is. And we all know Reggie's game was far from typical--if JJ has 1/4th or Reg's savvy, bigshotability (it's a word) or sense of the moment, I'd be impressed.
    By your logic, Rip Hamilton isn't any good either. He's a Reggie clone, but this isn't 1988 anymore so that kind of player isn't productive.


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    Also, please try to refrain from comparing JJ Reddick to Reggie Miller in the same post where you're calling my comparisons laughable.
    Hmm, both play SG. Both labeled as not very athletic. Both labeled as poor defenders. Both labeled as just good shooters.

    I think they're a lot fairer comparison, than Gerry McNamara.

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    Fixed your quote. Big East, my man.
    The last 3 out of 4 years the ACC has ranked higher than the Big East in non-conference RPI.

    This past year was the exception, due to more games played (more teams in the conference) because the winning percentage was higher for the ACC against nonconference opponents.

    http://www.warrennolan.com/basketbal.../conferencerpi

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