The rules are bolded and even above the sticky threads. Is it just that people don't know they are there? Maybe we could make the title Obnoxious Red for a while.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
Or just change the title something you know people will click on.
LeBron: "PACERS HAVE LONG WAY TO GO TO COMPETE WITH HEAT!"
Then when every single person clicks on that drop some knowledge on 'em.
Have you guys ever considered the idea of making a new joint forum for IU and Purdue athletics, or just a generic forum for all Indiana college athletics. I feel like there is too much there for just a single thread for each college + sport.
That's basically what the Locker Room is supposed to provide, but once those threads came along, everyone started keeping it all in there. But there's no rule that says it has to be contained all in one thread; there can be as many IU or Purdue threads on that board as people care to make.
Cut down with the over moderation. That's actual constructive criticism, although I'm sure it will be taken personally and I will receive an infraction for disagreeing with the choices of the moderating team.
Edit: I'll elaborate a bit: In a forum atmosphere, you can't stop people from making sharply pointed comments and/or snarky commentary. If I make a snarky post, and I receive a snarky message in the "deleted for:" box, then I'm probably going to respond with a reasonable amount of annoyance. Now, I'm sure I will be asked to move this to a PM setting, but I put it here because this is where I think it belongs and I think a worthwhile discussion could be made of it.
Last edited by cdash; 01-10-2014 at 01:41 PM.
We're not putting up anymore with people stopping by a thread just to say it's stupid. Apparently you took that post deletion personally, given your attitude and behavior since then.
If you think doubling-down on posting something that was just deleted by a mod, with an attitude no less, was going to cause anything other than another deleted post and an escalated response to blatant disrespect, you're nuts.
As for what you edited into the above while I was replying, I'm sorry you took my comment to have snark behind it, but I was being literal. If the thread is stupid to you, then simply move on.
I love your, "with an attitude" comment. Hicks, go read your last post in the vnzla thread. It's clear (and obvious to most everyone who paid attention) that your vendetta against him was personal. When you went on your MAStamper/non-moderating sabbatical you made a few pointed comments that made your stance on him crystal clear. That comment in response to Sollozzo was, as I read it, full of "attitude". You won't like this, and I'm about 90% certain it will earn me my second infraction, but you really need to get some thicker skin about some of this stuff. Your tone in general (as much as it can be relayed via internet posts) is one of dictatorship and "my way or the highway" type of stuff.
This isn't just about recent events either. This has been happening for years. The "counting thread" debacle from several years back which alienated a group of really nice guys and overall good posters was absurd, in my opinion. The common thread? Someone (I believe, if memory serves, N8R) challenged your authority and you just couldn't handle it. I'm sure you find ways to justify these actions (well, obviously you do), but in that example you would be hard pressed to find anyone besides you who was bothered by what was going on in that thread. It's overmoderation, or it's some personal thing you have when people cross you. By saying this (and, in essence, challenging you), I realize I've earned a spot in your crosshairs. That's fine. I'm just voicing concerns that may bother very few people, or a lot of people, I honestly don't know. It might just be me being an *******. I think this arena is better than PMs to discuss it because I believe in transparency, plus if there ever was a thread where these discussions could take place, it would be this one. We are not derailing any other discussion. Think of it as an ombudsman type of thing.
I'll add one more thing: I realize moderating a forum with this many members can be challenging, and I understand that difficult decisions can and must be made. I don't like the vnzla banning, but from his general behavior and tendency to bait other people into the endless circle of debating the same thing in every thread, I can see where it came from. I don't necessarily like how it came about, but can ultimately respect the decision. I'm not being critical for the sake of being critical, and I'm not simply irritated at you, personally, Hicks. I just don't like the "closed door" stuff and wish us, as members of the posting community, could have a say or at least be privy to what the moderators' discussions on certain subjects are. Again, I'm trying to be constructive here.
You blatantly did something against the rules. Go read them again if you don't believe me. And with that being the case, any admin has every right to delete your post. Nothing to apologize for there. When I said to just ignore the thread if you think it's stupid, that was literally all I meant by it, no hidden meaning or attitude attached. So the rest of what followed was you misinterpreting my 'tone', getting angry about it, and then, as you've admitted, you knew damn well that by mouthing off with that second post you made that it would get an infraction and be deleted. So, again, nothing for me to apologize for. That is all on you, and this is what got you in here complaining and criticizing me.
If that's your standard for over-moderation, that's just insane. You don't like one of the rules, and when it was enforced you got mad and unapologetically broke it again. That's all on you, not me.
Given all of that, I can just as easily accuse you of being thin-skinned and adopting a 'my way or the highway' attitude yourself.
As for the rest of this:
Of course I have negative personal feelings about vnzla81. But guess what? I've had them for years, yet he remained, so your theory is bunk. He earned his exit, as even you can see, an on the heels of his Nth go round of doing something inappropriate (I can explain the infraction, but you'll just criticize it, even though it's legitimate, so why bother), and yet had the nerve to take shots and the site and at me for the Nth time as well. If that's not a good time to go ahead and do what ought to have been done earlier as it is, then there never is a good time short of waiting for him to do something nuclear-bad. Enough.
As for the 'tone' of my last reply in that thread, I didn't write it with an attitude, and frankly I just don't see what you're talking about. I think this is just a weak attempt to 'equalize' us since I've already criticized your attitude.
Like everyone else on this planet, my skin will seem thick to some, thin to others, and it will depend on the case and the context on top of that. Specifically regarding the case of deleting your post, that didn't even factor in. That's simply something we discourage on PD, period, and the revised rules made that abundantly clear. Me enforcing them or defending my actions doesn't make it petty, personal, or thin-skinned.
As for this 'dictator' stuff, any time you are on a privately-run website, you are not entitled to do and say whatever you want, but the powers that be are entitled to ban you or censor you as they see fit. It's just a matter of what their personality and attitudes are that vary from place to place. So, technically, everyone who has a website is a 'dictator' in that regard; they get to call the shots. But beyond that, to suggest all I do is whatever sounds or feels good, everyone else's feelings/thoughts be damned, is false. I didn't do what you would have done, so I'm some jerk dictator with no justifications for his actions. That's basically all this amounts to.
Look, I've said many times over the years that sometimes I **** up, get it wrong, but at the same time when that happens I own up to it. Could I have handled the counting thread incident better? Yeah. Does that absolve other parties from their roles or responsibilities in what happened? No. Did I have any valid reason to what I did? Yes. Do I think they overreacted much how you feel I overreacted on my end? Yes. We're human beings, we're going to disagree sometimes. It is what it is.
If you call all of that over-moderation, then so be it, but I disagree, and I don't know if there's anything else to say about it than that.
As for you being 'in my crosshairs', the only reason I might feel that way is because of how you act when you get mad. You get mean, you get sarcastic, you take shots, and you get offended because someone told you 'no' when you didn't want to be told 'no', and you break rules on purpose because you don't give a ****. That's a red flag to most administrators of a web forum. That should be self-evident as to why. That's not personal, that's basic stuff.
My reaction to you today in no way supports the concept of me having a bad attitude or tone or being a bad administrator. You just don't like how things are, so I have to be the bad guy. That's all it is.
And I'll point out that if I were everything you claim I am, then I would have banned you rather than taking the time to give a long and thought-out response. Yet you are not banned, you did not receive two more infractions for two posts you were pretty damn sure would earn you two more, and here I am responding to the post. Maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.
As for this being in public, I don't have a problem with it. Was the suggestion box the place for it? At first, yes, when you started making it about how bad I am as an admin, no, because then it's not about suggestions it's specifically about criticizing my role on the site, and that's beyond some suggestion. But whatever.
As for transparency, it's pretty much a standard operating procedure for most all Internet forums for there to be a private administrators-only board to privately discuss forum matters and forum policy. I don't think that needs to change. Sandman is also correct in the V thread when he points out that the amount of time I have taken to explain myself regarding that banishment goes beyond what most admins would do, so I don't think I have a problem in that sense, either.
If you want a forum that's run more democratically than it currently is, that's just not likely going to happen, and I really don't think there's anything atypical (relative to most forums) about that stance. I created the site, able hosts and maintains the site on the tech side, and the rest of the administrators were all recruited members of the forum because they were all active and well-respected posters in the community. Also, just because things don't always happen the way you approve of, it doesn't mean that we don't think about or listen to other people and their opinions, either. It just means we're not always going to do what someone else thinks should be done.
And, no, every time we think we see a problem with someone's posting behavior, we're not going to start a public thread announcing our concerns. That's unnecessary in general, and it needlessly humiliates whomever we're worried about. When problems arise, we discuss them, we privately reach out to people about them, and then otherwise we snip or delete posts as we feel is appropriate based on our perceptions of misbehavior/broken rules. Nothing more, nothing less.
To wrap this up, if I were what you claim I am, I would ban you, I would have banned V years ago, I would not be writing this, and for that matter there would not even be a suggestion box thread or for that matter a feedback board at all, because in that case, I would not give a **** what anyone had to say. Yet here we are.
So you deliberately broke the rules, and because you misinterpreted my comment to read into snark that wasn't there, copped an attitude publicly and privately, told me you don't care, baited me into possibly giving you more infractions to try to make me look bad, and that is your pretense for having an open and honest conversation about admin/forum policy? You went about this completely the wrong way, and I have no respect for that. I'm not going to keep the discussion going due to your deceitful and rude methods. It overshadows everything else you're trying to say.
You basically strike me as someone who does what he wants as long as he's okay with it, regardless of what anyone with authority thinks. I can't stop you from having that mentality, but don't expect me to respect you when you act this way. Unbelievable.
I have a suggestion. Maybe it will lighten things up.
Just wondering if cdash could update his avatar. Calbert Cheaney isn't a good enough player to still be on an avatar in 2014. Also, Bob Knight is more likely to visit West Lafayette wearing a black & gold sweater than visit Bloomington in a red one. It's also pretty unfair to be reminded of IU when you're an old Purdue fan.
magic i will try and implement that over the weekend
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.
If you've done 6 impossible things today?
Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!
Not really a big deal, but the sports teams logos that appear under your username and avatar, some of the logos need to be updated.
Miami Dolphins, Jacksonville Jaguars, Minnesota Vikings, Detroit Lions (I think)
Also, when you put your cursor over a team logo it used to say the team's name, now it just says sports logos.
Another thing when you have PD opened up on your browser, where it shows the tab, to the left there is an icon that is kind of like a small logo for the website. It used to have a small "PD" but now it's back to the vBulletin logo
Just being nit-picky here, to be honest, it doesn't really matter if these changes happen or not
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@ Lord, those are all the fault of the VB upgrade/update, as usual it breaks more than it fixes, we are working on that but it is low on the priority totem.
@ Cdash, better late then never, it is the first time i could stomach your posts completely, a few small facts, 1: vnzla had more chances then anyone will ever get again. 2. he was a arse about it and also got on my bad side, now you have to wonder, whether you can risk being on Hicks' bad side, but you sure as hell don't want to be on mine and think of the fact i'm a registered Grump! Please stoptrying to make Hicks look bad, just because you missed it or didn't see it don't mean he don't owe up, many a ban here has been reversed after some words among admins, some of mine even! (hrumph)
this is a community with many many posters from very very different backgrounds, to you a joke is a deep insult to another and "cute" remarks on the forum understood by one group may lead to bloodshed in other countries and that is the main part most of the "sharper" posters totally forget.
This is a fan-forum kept running by volunteers and paid for by volunteers, for over 10 years we have kept you free of advertising and all kinds of nasty tracking thingies, and charges in any kind of way so you can expect that since you are playing with my ball, you **** me off enough i can take it and go home with it, a relative simple principle, you can't demand of me to stay up all night watching you play with my ball because you aint got a home to go to now can you ?
All we are saying in a roundabout way is play nice and when we pm people, or delete posts we are trying to educate you in what is considered not nice and if that don't help we throw an infraction your way and if you don't get it even afer that you run the risk of having time off, if that happens and you come back and again don't get it, you are asking to have your access removed, see what happens if you break the law 3 times in certain states, or to keep it simply; if you dance on the table every time you enter the library, how long before they revoke access and call the cops on you ?
Or as the famous MR said, you gotta think to yourself, do i feel lucky
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.
If you've done 6 impossible things today?
Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!