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    More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

    http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/67129.htm

    ZEKE SPEAKS
    KNICKS PREZ BREAKS SILENCE; NO HINT OF BACKING BROWN

    By MARC BERMAN

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    June 7, 2006 -- ORLANDO - The Knicks' soap opera officially hit Orlando last night as Isiah Thomas finally broke his silence since reports surfaced that owner James Dolan is seeking a divorce from Larry Brown.
    And the Knicks president did absolutely nothing yesterday to quash those reports.

    Intercepted as he walked toward the Milkhouse Arena inside the Disney Wide World of Sports, coach-in-waiting Thomas spoke for about 30 seconds to greet four Knicks beat writers and a Post photographer. And it was the most telling 30 seconds since the Brown Watch began more than three weeks ago.

    There wasn't the slightest hint of a vote of confidence.

    "It's the same as we said before," Thomas said. "We won't comment on any of the reports that are out there. We're just here to make sure we do our work draft-wise and try to have another successful draft."

    Then, when asked directly if his April 20 edict that Brown will be back still holds true, Thomas smiled sheepishly, shrugged slightly, waved and said, "See you guys later."

    Yes, it is later for the lame-duck Brown.

    Isiah was whisked away by VP of publicity Jonathan Supranowitz, who was on hand to shield Thomas from the media. Oh yes, the Knicks' soap opera officially hit Orlando.

    Thomas' remarks to reporters were more than he said to Brown all of yesterday, as the two did not cross each other's paths or speak.

    After giving three roadside interviews last week near the Westchester practice facility, Brown appears to be under a gag order in Orlando. The organization wasn't pleased Brown spoke at all last week.

    "I know you have a job, but I'm not allowed. I don't have anything to say," Brown said upon arriving.

    When asked if he's ready to confront Isiah, the suntanned Brown said, "No. It's not my place."

    Brown showed up one hour before last night's start of the four-day pre-draft camp, while Thomas arrived 15 minutes late.

    After the workouts, Brown, before dodging into his rental car, said, "C'mon guys. It's not the time. I feel bad I can't talk to you. I apologize."

    Minutes after Brown sped off, Thomas arrived in the parking lot and huddled for several minutes with Wolves personnel director Jim Stack, Isiah's assistant with the Pacers who is expected to be a Knicks assistant candidate once Isiah takes the helm.

    Brown and Thomas were the two best-dressed people at the workouts. Brown wore a white golf shirt and pinstriped black slacks. Thomas wore a pinstriped cream dress shirt and brown-colored slacks.

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    EDIT; It's about time they started giving us this information! What I really want to know though is what Walsh and Carlisle were wearing.
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    During the 90-minute drill session in which 60 draft candidates participated, Brown sat courtside with his former boss, Indiana president Donnie Walsh. Halfway through, Brown took a seat and chatted with Pacers coach Rick Carlisle. Meanwhile, Thomas was far away, up in the fourth-from-last row of the bleachers, sitting alongside Knicks scout Gerald Madkins.

    Brown did not appear to come into contact with any of the 10 Knicks scouts on hand. Brown drove to the complex alone. After the session, Brown was swarmed by well-wishers, including longtime friend Doug Moe, a Nuggets assistant, who playfully hugged Brown and dragged him away with the reporters in tow.

    After his conference with Brown, Walsh said, "I know nothing. I'm not talking about that (stuff)."

    Brown knew it would be painfully awkward, but he was ordered to Orlando, along with assistant Herb Williams, by Knicks brass. Brown's assistants he brought in from Detroit - Phil Ford, Dave Hanners and Brendan O'Connor - were not invited. There are indications Brown could go home after today's games. Brown has said Thomas hasn't addressed the topic of his future. They've only talked about workouts. Now it's unclear if they're talking at all.

    As team GMs, scouts and coaches entered the facility, they all noticed the gaggle of Knicks writers staked out in front and were amused at the circus, but some admitted they were following every detail through newspaper accounts. The Knicks have become not only the laughingstock of the regular season, but the off-season, too, because of their disgraceful treatment of Brown.

    Warriors GM Chris Mullin said he had no plans to ask permission to speak with Brown. Brown is close to the Warriors owner, Chris Cohan, his Hamptons neighbor.
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    Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

    Let the rumors begin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Avoiding the obvious...........
    Herb to be hired as a big-man coach by the Pacers??
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    • #3
      Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

      They keep saying Donnie will retire after next season. There will be changes in the front office and how long will Brown want to coach?
      You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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      • #4
        Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

        Originally posted by RWB
        They keep saying Donnie will retire after next season. There will be changes in the front office and how long will Brown want to coach?

        Larry "I never met a player I didn't wanna trade" Brown as GM????
        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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        • #5
          Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

          Originally posted by indygeezer
          Let the rumors begin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Avoiding the obvious...........
          Herb to be hired as a big-man coach by the Pacers??
          That'd be just fine with me. And yes, I'm avoiding the obvious, cause I don't want Jay to come after me.
          Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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          • #6
            Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

            Originally posted by Will Galen
            During the 90-minute drill session in which 60 draft candidates participated, Brown sat courtside with his former boss, Indiana president Donnie Walsh. Halfway through, Brown took a seat and chatted with Pacers coach Rick Carlisle. Meanwhile, Thomas was far away, up in the fourth-from-last row of the bleachers, sitting alongside Knicks scout Gerald Madkins.
            Walsh to Brown: "Larry, if Rick can get us into the conference finals this year do you think you can hold onto this Knick job long enough to be fired just in time to win us a championship in 08? I mean, it worked in Detroit ...."

            Brown to Carlisle: "So Rick ... what do you think the odds are of you guys making the ECF this coming season?"

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            • #7
              Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

              "Rick is moving into the front office at his own choosing? That's interesting to know, Donnie"

              "So Rick, are you really wanting to coach this team next year or are you thinking of going ahead and taking that front office job? I always liked Indiana and coaching the Pacers is a dream job...."

              -Bball
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

              ------

              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #8
                Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                this has suddenly become a "Caption this" thread...........

                Okey Doke


                Donnie to Larry........"I can absolutely promise you we will not trade for Ivy"

                Larry to Rick............" Ok, so where do I get a copy of The Hick to English Dictionary ?"
                Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                • #9
                  Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                  Um, I hate to take this off track but I have a real question.

                  Where the F is Larry Bird? He better be at this thing. There is no way the guy should be backpacking through Europe during the regular season to scout players we may never have contact with but then not go in the off-season to a pre-draft camp to see players who are going to be drafted.

                  I won't point out the obvious that Walsh is still there, still involved in picking players.

                  G.M. by group continues on....


                  Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                  • #10
                    Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                    I hope that Brown sticks to his guns and makes Dolan pay the full contract that he is owed.

                    The icing on the cake would be to watch Zeke finish off the Knicks and bury them into the sand.

                    On a related note....doesn't the Bulls have the right to swap 1st round picks in 2008 with the Knicks ( on top of getting the 1st round pick this year )?
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #11
                      Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                      Originally posted by Peck
                      Um, I hate to take this off track but I have a real question.

                      Where the F is Larry Bird? He better be at this thing. There is no way the guy should be backpacking through Europe during the regular season to scout players we may never have contact with but then not go in the off-season to a pre-draft camp to see players who are going to be drafted.

                      I won't point out the obvious that Walsh is still there, still involved in picking players.

                      G.M. by group continues on....
                      Based off of his track record...I would much rather have Donnie pick who we will draft rather then Bird.
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #12
                        Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                        Originally posted by Peck
                        Um, I hate to take this off track but I have a real question.

                        Where the F is Larry Bird? He better be at this thing. There is no way the guy should be backpacking through Europe during the regular season to scout players we may never have contact with but then not go in the off-season to a pre-draft camp to see players who are going to be drafted.

                        I won't point out the obvious that Walsh is still there, still involved in picking players.

                        G.M. by group continues on....
                        We need to hire a PI to get to the bottom of who's really doing what.
                        Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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                        • #13
                          Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                          Originally posted by CableKC
                          Based off of his track record...I would much rather have Donnie pick who we will draft rather then Bird.
                          Bird's been around for Danny and Harrison altho who actually made the call is anybody's guess.

                          CableKC, I don't get how you could have any opinion about's Bird's track record..yet...

                          DW has drafted some good players and he's drafted some duds. I'm not sure if Bird has done anything (draftwise) but if he has, it would be Harrison and Granger. I wouldn't call that a bad track record.

                          -Bball
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #14
                            Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                            Better than the early-90's trio of McCloud, Sealy, and Haskins, which only produced one rotation player (and he didn't really crack anybody's rotation until after he was traded.)
                            Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                            Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                            Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                            Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                            And life itself, rushing over me
                            Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                            Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                            • #15
                              Re: More on the Larry Brown situation- Zeke speaks.

                              Originally posted by Kegboy
                              And yes, I'm avoiding the obvious, cause I don't want Jay to come after me.
                              Oh goodie!! Let's teach David to have four turnovers and three fouls in just the first six minutes of the first quarter.
                              Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                              Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                              Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                              Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                              And life itself, rushing over me
                              Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                              Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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